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Every law abiding citizen should carry a gun.

posted 14 years ago by Dorianofkoln
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I and my sister were born and raised in the U.S.A. I love that we were born in a country where we have the right and the freedom to be armed should we choose. My sister is a nurse, is 38 years old today, has been married for fifteen years and has three of the greatest kids ever, the oldest of which is 11.

Five years ago after working the late shift, she stopped to get some milk and bread from the store. It was dark, it was late and even though she parked close to the door, the lighting and design of the parking sucked.

Some scumbag ambushed her when she got back to the car and started dragging her toward the nearby alley. Yes, she fought back until he punched her in the face, three times. She tells me that even as he picked her up, her mind was screaming at her act, do cry out for help, to do something, anything. But her arms and legs wouldn't obey her commands, and nothing would come out of her mouth.

She was thrown to the ground and then it started, he began to rip her scrubs from her body, violently. Thankfully, the scrubs were brand new that day and were sturdily made, I think that is what bought her the few extra seconds she needed. Groggy, but still with enough sense to think straight, she pulled the small .38 that she always carried when not actually in the hospital, and fired twice right into his chest, at point blank range.

This scumbag was a convicted rapist and murderer and had been released on parole about a week ago. My sister just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Thankfully, he died at the scene.

I'm sure in places with very strict gun control laws, rape still happens, and you don't need a gun for that. This scumbag didn't have a gun. His thing was knives. Thankfully, my sister made sure he can never hurt or rape anyone else ever again.

A LAW ABIDING citizen without a gun is a person left to the mercy of those who would inflict harm upon them, and you will NEVER be able to tell me otherwise.

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[–] cludinsk 14 years ago

cool story, bro.

unfortunately doesnt make up for the 100 thousand people shot every year in the US

[–] bmodica 14 years ago

Uh, Cludinsk, here's the real story. There's no record of how many people are shot every year. None. There is a number for people who are killed by guns. Of that number, almost 60% are suicides. You simply cannot stop suicide. Of the remaining 40%, some 80% of them are gang-related. It's already criminal, so what can you do? There are other shootings by non-gang related criminals, but again, they are already criminals. The balance are righteous shootings by police or legally armed citizens. The true number of "gun-related crimes" in the US is around 440,000 per year (FBI stats). The number of incidents stopped by legally carrying civilians is in excess of 1,500,000, and could be double that number since the majority of these incidents are never reported. I know three people who were involved in 5 incidents, one where he shot an intruder. Of those 5 incidents, only 1 was reported, the shooting. The other were 2 carjackings, an attempted mugging, and a home invasion. Guns stop far more crime than they are credited for initiating.

Billy the Kid

[–] cludinsk 14 years ago

* The rate of death from firearms in the United States is eight times higher than that in its economic counterparts in other parts of the world.

Kellermann AL and Waeckerle JF. Preventing Firearm Injuries. Ann Emerg Med July 1998; 32:77-79.

* The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children younger than 15 years of age is nearly 12 times higher than among children in 25 other industrialized countries combined.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, 1997;46:101-105.

* The United States has the highest rate of youth homicides and suicides among the 26 wealthiest nations.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Rates of homicide, suicide, and firearm-related death among children: 26 industrialized countries.
MMWR. 1997;46:101-105.

[–] liven1812 13 years ago

You guys have GOT to learn demographics. This isn't an argument, these statistics are worthless without the demographical bases that go along with them. For instance, "26 wealtiest nations" = countries like Denmark, Sweden, Norway, those are three right there. The United States, besides being one of the wealthiest nations, IS IN THE TOP 10!! in impoverished persons. Countries like Russia, China, India, Nigeria, Brazil, Pakistan, and only a few others, have more.

15% of this country's population commit over 55% of all gun-related crimes, and, in New York at least, it is 80%. http://www.city-journal.org/2010/eon0514hm.html

When people talk about "gun crime" they have to actually factor in CRIMINALS. Get rid of the impoverished demographics of the U.S. and the U.S. basically becomes England, or, Germany, demographically. Give them as many guns as Switerzland or Canada... and crime would be the same. Demographics is key, demographics, demographics, demographics.

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[–] salimy3k 12 years ago

I'm pretty sure that if you talk to the original inhabitants of the land (The Native Americans) you'll find that things went downhill once certain white garbage from Europe arrived - after all, it was they who brought all their guns and diseases and spoilt the land right?

Typical white garbage - will blame blacks and latinos but won't speak a peep about all the Jews wrecking the economy or all the dumb white trash starting wars for oil ... yawn ...

[–] Ghosthunter123424 11 years ago

White garbage is quite correct. A group of people so despised they left Europe to go live somewhere else.

They carved a bloody path through North America right from the beginning and have tried to do so in the rest of the world.

[–] spookyrat1 9 years ago

Joe/Alex wanted a debate. I guess he's getting it here.🐭

[–] Dorianofkoln 14 years ago

This isn't a story, bro. It's the truth and to this day I'm glad my sister was unharmed other then being punched in the mouth and gut.

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[–] cludinsk 14 years ago

Congress, for example, is cowering before the gun lobby insistence that even terrorist suspects who are placed on the “no-fly list” must not be denied the right to buy and bear arms. Suspects on that list purchased more than 1,100 weapons in the last six years, but Congress has never summoned the gumption to stop this trade in the name of public safety and political sanity.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/07/opinion/07fri1.html?hp

lolololol

[–] bmodica 14 years ago

Clud, here's the problem with the "no-fly list". There are no criteria generally accepted to define just who should be on this list. Plus, there are lots of false-positives, with Sen. Ted Kennedy being the most visible. Frank Lautenburg, that slug, has put forth a bill that anyone on that list would lose his second-ammendment rights. And, it's practically impossible for the average Joe to get off the list. So how do you get on it? No one really knows. And no one knows how many are on it. How many 3rd generation Americans named Mohammed get put on the list? Where are their rights?

Billy the Kid

[–] cludinsk 14 years ago

so youre cool with terrorists buying guns, i get it. it's a right and all...

[–] bmodica 14 years ago

Clud old boy, you're absolutely correct. It is a "right and all." Don't ever forget it. Here's another right: you're innocent until proven guilty. It's in the constitution, ya know?

Billy the Kid

[–] cludinsk 14 years ago

dont worry, im sure the NSA know about you already.

[–] brianinnh 14 years ago

Don't look now, but there's a little red light moving on the back of your head.

[–] TanteWaileka 13 years ago

I shot a guy while he was raping me. I was in South America at the time. He died, I Lived. I never lost a moment's sleep over the act. He was a guy who chose his own death, when he attacked an armed woman. How did I get the gun into the country? I didn't. I was given a gun by the people who invited me into the country, once there. I thank them whenever I remember.

Every lawful citizen has the right to bear arms, and should do so. They should of course learn how to use their guns, and know they WILL use them when it is needed. I'm in my 60s and 'perps' probably would not fear me. But I know something they do not. I know I can shoot to kill WITHOUT HESITATION. A good thing to know.

Guns keep people safe.

Life is a journey not a destination. Fear nothing.

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[–] drjukebox 12 years ago

Appserlutlely right, what you need is obviously to double or triple the number of small firearms, require every law abiding citizen to carry a gun and crime would almost disappear since all criminals would be shot.

It's all in the demographics. Poor people commit too much crime and should be shot.
Appserlutely so. It is all verrrry simple.

[–] estester 9 years ago

Simply put. You're an *beep*
People who think that having guns around, is a good thing, need to be put down themselves.
Nothing you say has any grounds what so ever.
Americans are really screwed up people.

[–] EmperorOfLatveria 9 years ago

Based on what rational? How are Americans screwed up? I have lived my entire life around guns and people who have them. I have yet witness a murder. No one in my life ever was, and no one I know. It is rare, very rare. 4.7 out of 100,000 people? That is a short straw. Stop depicting it like the wild west here. Sure, many Europeans (SOME EUROPEANS) have it better - that doesn't make it something someone should ever be concerned about and live in paranoia over. I am 48x more likely to die of cancer alone than to be murdered at all, by ANY means or weapon. Let alone heart disease, etc. Am I going to sit there and go extreme anti-carcinogen diet? I mean, it wouldn't hurt - but I am not going to waste any time worrying about it excessively at all. In fact, any preparation for any eventuality like that is being better than prepping for surviving a murder (both of which is very good to plan for) for a better life.

I have participated in this debate at length on youtube and other boards online and have an understanding of the cultural difference and why the numbers break down the way they do. I felt like replying to a number of people on this board - but why dig up a dead horse and reply to 10 year old posts? It isn't the availability of guns that causes the violent crime.

Stop relating the giant America, with large and powerful cartels, smuggling rings, gansta/driveby culture right next to someplace like the UK. Just don't. People think and act differently by large degrees of cultural differences - that includes how they vent or do illegal activities. Lets look at it by some other numbers. Why is a state like New Hampshire, that has rather free gun laws (you can own lots of them with less restrictions than many other states) have murder rates on par with places like the UK? Now why is Chicago different?

I can answer these all at some length, and throw a bunch of facts around that will probably do nothing to anyone until they actually learn what the cause of murder is. Only then will you understand WHY it is facts like how the USSR with very powerful gun control laws had much higher murder rates than its western neighbors, etc.

[–] estester 9 years ago

Do you realize that everything you just said is based on totally nothing?
Have you even had education? Do you follow studies?

Please educate yourself before even making an attempt of commenting about your screwed up country.

Everyone who even remotely thinks that it is a good idea for people to have guns, have mental issues and need to get professional help.

ALL legit studies show that the more people have guns around, the more killings/murders there are.
ALL studies that show something else, are false studies sponsored by weapons dealers/manufacturers.

Americans overall are so far from reality and have their heads stuck so far up their own as*es they cant even see clearly.
They believe their own lies

Please stop talking and do everyone a favor and let nature make it's natural selection.

[–] EmperorOfLatveria 8 years ago

Those aren't studies I posted, just statistics and fact.

Yes, gun crime goes up. Why? Because guns. Duh, of course more guns.
Does overall crime go up? No.
Does violent crime go up? No. It goes down.

In fact, homicides are waaay down since the 90s for instance in America.

Go educate yourself. You sound like those feminist who distort studies and facts themselves.

[–] TennesseeTarheel 8 years ago

God bless your sister. I pray she has been able to put this chapter behind her.