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Poor Man's 'State of Grace'


As the title infers, one is better off to sticking to that film. Other than Elijah Wood being terribly miscast, the film was mediocre. Not one of the better films of NYC, which has the honor of being the most romanticized city in film. -D, NYC "I hope people watch this movie (Sidewalks of New York) and still see New York as the greatest city in the world. I certainly do!" - EDWARD BURNS, actor/filmmaker

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Of course Ed Burns knows all about Hells Kitchen in the 80s...(rolls eyes) being from Valley Stream and all.

State of Grace was a much better film.

"I hope people watch this movie (Sidewalks of New York) and still see New York as the greatest city in the world. I certainly do!" - EDWARD BURNS, actor/filmmaker. I think that ground was already covered (well covered) by oh, say Woody Allen in "Manhattan" 20+ years ago?

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While I agree that Elijah Wood was a horrible choice for the part he played, I don't really see any similarities to State of Grace. They are two very different movies and both offer different atmospheres and qualities. Both good films, though.

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I agree with pretty much everything you've said. State Of Grace is an excellent film. I do wish people would stop going on about New York, every other hipster in London has a "I love NY" t-shirt. I found Chicago to be way more friendly anyway.

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Well, there's a good reason why! Like it or not, NYC IS The Greatest City In The World!! If you can make it here, you can make it anywhere!eh Everything can be found under one roof. It's the Gateway to America and the Capital of the Free World!! It's also the most romanticized city in film & song! As for Chicago? Great city, but a smaller version of NY - all without the gazillion and one International attractions!ehe And the "NYers are rude" shpiel went out in the '70s with "Shattered" By The Stones!eheheh -D, NYC "And you can hear it in my accent when I talk, I'm an Englishman in New York" - STING.."Go ahead, bite the Big Apple!" - ROLLING STONES

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Wow, it's quite amazing that you've been to every city in the world.

p.s. London is ruder than New York, it's more snooty. (see comment above)

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One doesn't have to shlep anywhere else when living in The City That Never Sleeps! If you can't find it here, you won't find it anywhere! NYC IS the cultural, financial, fashion, retail, trade, media, cuisine, theatre, arts & communications Capital of the world. So it's not amazing at all!ehe

Take cuisine as one instance. We have miles of food to explore from hundreds of nations. The sushi's tastier here than in Tokyo, the crossiants flakier than in Paris, the duck more succulent than in Peking, and our pizza? Fugghedaboutit!eheheh

BTW, the "I (Heart) NY" campaign dates back to the '70s!! There isn't a state or country whose citizens don't own at least one!ehehe Next to Lady Liberty, it's perhaps the second most purchased tourist item. -D, NYC "Imagine a world without New York - the terrorists already have" - ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.."In a New York Minute, everything can change" - DON HENLEY.."If I'd lived in Roman times, I'd have lived in Rome. Where else? Today America is the Roman Empire and New York is Rome itself" - JOHN LENNON (one of NY's most famous adoptive sons, Strawberry Fields Memorial, Central Park - world's most famous recreational park).."I happen to like New York, I happen to like this town. I like the city air, I like to drink of it, The more I know New York the more I think of it. I like the sight and the sound and even the stink of it" - COLE PORTER.."All the folks in Manhattan are sad..because they look at her and wish they had..the good old Brooklyn Bridge" - FRANK SINATRA.."'Cause everyone's your friend in New York City..And everything looks beautiful when you're young and pretty..The streets are paved with diamonds and there's just so much to see..But the best thing about New York City is you and me..Statue of Liberty, Staten Island Ferry, Co-op City, Katz's and Tiffany's..Central Park, Brooklyn Bridge, The Empire State where Dylan lived..Coney Island and Times Square,Rockefeller Center..Wish I was there" - THEY MIGHT BE GIANTS

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Get a room

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Poor Man's Mean Streets, Absolute *beep* garbage.

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Not sure how you are defining "greatest". I suppose we all have elements or particular tastes regarding cities.But you've every right to your opinion and I respect that. Me, I'll go with Victoria, Seychelles every day and twice on Sunday.

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I define New York by its importance in the grand scheme of things. It's consistently been the center of global finance (see Wall Street & NYSE), fahion, retail & business (see 5th Avenue & Madison Avenue), cuisine (see Food Network, and miles of food to explore from hundreds of nations, including the most renowned dining on earth - see Russian Tea Room, Tavern On The Green, The Water Club, River Cafe), broadcasting (see NBC World Headquarters at 30 Rock, Nightly News with Brian Williams (now Lester Holt), music & night-life (see Studio 54, MTV Studios, Cotton Club, Apollo Theatre, Rainbow Room, CBGB, Madison Square Garden (MSG) - why did Led Zep choose it for their Song Remains The Same Concert?, why did The Beatles choose NYC (see Ed Sullivan) to begin their invasion?), Radio City Music Hall), culture (see Statue Of Liberty & United Nations, and the most diverse ethnic population on earth), theatre (see Broadway), and on and on. It's the most important city in the US, and perhaps the World. Wall Street alone is the glue which holds the entire World together. NYC pretty much speaks for itself. IOW, any "knowing individual" would never dare question its greatness or importance. There are opinions, and then there are educated opinions.

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hmmmmmm... I see what ya mean. You sold me.......for the Seychelles.

Think Ill stay here and scuba dive, snorkel and para-sail. Perhaps venture to Africa again. You can have all the theaters and watch other people on a stage: I've little doubt that it's splendid entertainment. "Fine dining", eating Chinese, Thai or Japanese food fixed in NY. I'm sure it's very appetizing, but I'd rather have my Japanese food in Japan. The Beatles? Led Zeppelin? No thanks. Great musicians and all, but I'll stick with Andrea Bocelli, Loreena McKennitt, Enigma or Noel Quinlan.

You see, as much as you enjoy NY, other people prefer nature and the great outdoors. Clear water, blue skies, pristine sands, emerald green trees. I've been to NY. Climbed inside the Statue of Liberty. But given my choice, I'd rather climb a mountain or hike in the jungle or a wooded area. Instead of taking a venturing down Broadway amongst the traffic jams, panhandlers and working girls I'll opt instead for taking a canoe or Banca boat to one of the other smaller islands.

What you fail to mention is high crime, homelessness, drug addiction, subpar housing, 50% of people on welfare just getting through the day by the skin of their teeth. social unrest, racial discord (that's what comes to mind when people mention diversity in the United States), bitterness between law enforcement and the masses. Elderly and domestic abuse, child neglect. People eating in restaurants and instead of engaging in conversation they're busy tweeting or on Facebook. I'll take the pleasant breeze and sounds of wild life over cars honking and police & ambulance sirens.

Yes, indeed there are opinions and there are educated opinions....but alas, there is world experience (the BEST education one can ever receive) and that trumps all. Good for you that you love New York but trust me when I say, not everyone around the world concurs with you. Have a safe evening. Be sure to lock your door(s). 

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Jessica, as NY's most famous adoptive son (John Lennon) once said: "If I'd lived in Roman times, I'd have lived in Rome. Where else? Today America is the Roman Empire and New York is Rome itself." Therein lies my point. When one resides in "The State That Has Everything," one need not venture outside of it to experience the best of the best. As for crime? Nice to see that out-of-towners still hold on to the same old crime saw. FYI: Since 1992, NYC has become the safest, largest city in America. Mainly due in part to Rudy "America's Mayor" Guiliani. Times "Crossroads of The World" Square has been one of the Top 10 family destinations in America. Even though I still prefer the old Times Square, when one could see "Deep Throat" on marquees, and "Travis Bickle" driving a cab. eh While you may have been to NYC, did you realize that we also have miles of beautiful countryside and clear water in The Catskills (Upstate NY) and Long Island? While NYC is the epicenter, there are so many other things to see within NY State. How 'bout Cooperstown MLB HOF, The Hamptons, Niagra Falls, etc? BTW, for someone who obviously admires Jim Morrison & The Doors, how could you not dig Fab or Zep? eh

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This movie is NOTHING like "State of Grace" ! The only similarities are they were both set in Hell's Kitchen. Ash Wednesday movie is awful and Elijah Wood NOT being in it, would of actually made it better! I tried to like it bc a big fan of anything connected to Hell's Kitchen Irish crime history, but this movie sucked. Also, there's no point in arguing about the NYC of today bc the city is NOT like it used to be. Nowadays, It's all rich hipsters and tourists. It's Disneyland meets Starbucks. Actually, the neighborhood Hell's Kitchen is a good example of NYC changing bc in 1980s and early 90's, people changed the neighborhood's name to "Clinton" and "Midtown West"...but, since the neighborhood got really trendy and extremely safe, the hipsters and realtors changed the name back to "Hell's Kitchen". They did it bc they know it's important to hipsters to have a neighborhood name, especially an edgy one !

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