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Can anyone explain the ending?


I'm thinking they're all in one big computer program.

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Ending? I can't even explain the middle!

come to think of it, the beginning is kind of confusing also...

Of course, I live with a Pooka, so my opinion is probably suspect...

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“There all in a big computer program” catches the essence of it, I think.

The whole 26 episode series is a sort of “what’s really going on” mystery, done retro/noire detective story style, with giant robots thrown in for no reason I’ve been able to guess other than, well, “who doesn’t like giant robots?”

It throws out various possible answers: that Roger is a schizophrenic houseless man who believes himself a character in a play he’s seen, briefly lapsing into lucidity only to return to his delusion through a triumphal act of will (episode 14); that its all a sociological experiment by Gordon Rosewater conducted in a post-apocalyptic wasteland, with Roger a clone giant robot driver survivor of the apocalypse war (many episodes); that it’s a movie, taking place on a giant set, in which the actors have become too deeply immersed in their roles (last few episodes), and finally that it’s a big computer simulation, possibly with Roger and Angel the only players. At literally the last minute, it throws out a hint that it’s all some sort of black/male/Roger/Big O white/female/Angel/“Big Venus” ying/yang-y thing, with the two essences merging or whatever the **** happens in the end.

It’s pretty clear, I think, that, after the end (Episode 26), everything resets to episode 1, and the whole series plays over, with none of the actors/players/characters the wiser.

Ultimately, I think the writers were going for a “let the viewer chose whatever interpretation they can imagine” ending. Unfortunately for the success of this series, many viewers have, I think, chosen to suspend suspension of disbelief, step back, and chose the interpretation “I’ve just spent 13 hours spread over 2+ years watching something that means nothing at all”.

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Wow, thanks for the great response. The digital style deletion of the world they live in plus the reset to the beginning had me believe it was all a computer program.

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The best explanation I've come up with after watching this anime many many times is that Roger is actually a homeless bum who's totally out of touch.

However there is a slightly more wild possibility that I thought of that I kind of like.

My second theory is that Roger Smith is an android himself. A pilot left over from a great mecha war. During his last battle he got sunk in the ocean and has shorted. In an effort to find some meaning out of his "life" he creates the fantasy version of Paradigm City. The images of Roger being "assembled" and the fact that he "restarts" the whole thing at the end of the series says to me that it's very possibly all inside his very broken head.

Not as likely as the first theory but for some reason I like it.

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I absolutely agree. A computer program with independently contained individually thinking avatars. Something akin to a mash up of "Tron", "Dark City" (although in Dark City it wasn’t virtual, it was staged), "The Matrix" and “The Thirteenth Floor”. The references to “Metropolis” are also very interesting, given the android characters, particularly Dorothy, but I think that’s more an influence from the creator’s/programmer’s mind.

To expound upon this, it’s a computer program that Angel (or the virtual entity known as Angel, which may be modeled after a real person) herself may be the creator of (or at least a participating programmer of), who then attempted to test it by plugging herself into it, only to suffer some form of catastrophic accident. If this is true and Angel began as an external user of the programmed world that at some point (represented by the 40 year time span since the memory loss) was catastrophically "disconnected", then at that time either her mind became lost in the virtual world, or a representation of the user/creator's mind manifested itself as Angel (I think it would be the latter).

Regardless of anything else presented in the entire series, of any of the mythology established within the framework of the universe we’re shown, there is one key moment in Episode 26 that reveals the true nature of the reality presented: Angel as big Venus, after learning the true nature of herself and the reality around her, begins to “erase” or “derez” that very reality as she lumbers along, not destroying but more “unmaking” everything that she may very well have had a hand in creating herself. This ability puts her at the center of everything, and although there are hints throughout the series that everything is virtual or at least staged, this one event irrefutably reveals that it’s either all virtual or all in someone’s head (i.e. a dream, a delusion ala “Identity”, etc.) I think this was definitely a simulation and not a dream, however, evidenced by what was happening as Big Venus “derezzed” reality, leaving behind what looked very much like the holodeck from “Start Trek: The Next Generation” or even the lightcycle arenas from “Tron”. This one Big Venus scene ultimately clenches the nature of what’s actually going on. It’s a computer simulation, possibly a game or just an experimental attempt to simulate individually thinking, self-aware entities within a virtual world, and possibly a combination of those two, that’s somehow run away with itself and gone awry.

Until the end, that is, when a virtually simulated Roger Smith convinces the real-world-modeled avatar Angel that living, yes “living”, on as they had been is preferable to ceasing to exist since what they’ve become are in effect their own form of life, life that is precious and worth preserving. This hints that Roger is either himself based on a real-world person, or is a simulation that transcends his original creation into a self-aware state of mind powerful enough that he begins to understand that he is himself in fact just a simulation, but that regardless of that fact has become a lifeform in his own right, along with the rest of Paradigm City. How else could he make the choice to continue on with the lives they had without also knowing in that moment that they were only virtual? It’s his resolve, and the choice that he makes, that calms the collective chaos of the virtual world so that it can then “normalize”, suggesting that everyone in this world is interconnected, which solidifies it as a single computer program, even if it is populated with individually thinking virtual entities. It could be speculated that Roger is the simulation of a real-world user as well, or that every entity in the virtual worlds is. There's not enough information to conclusively determine this one way or the other, although ultimately it doesn't really matter if only Angel, and possibly Roger, were avatars for real-world people, or if everyone was.

It could also be speculated that the real-world counterpart of Angel is still in fact plugged into the simulation (like “The Cell” or “The Matrix”) in a comatose state. However, I think the “clipped wings” depiction (shown by the scars on her back, enhanced by several things the old man says, and what we’re shown when she enters the virtual space in the room at the bottom where the elevator lets them off at), strongly suggests that a real-world connection no longer exists, and that the virtual reality we see has become completely autonomous and self-sustaining in some fashion.

To conclude this theory, I surmise that the events shown throughout the season are the results of actions taken by the collective virtual consciousness of all the entities in this virtual world as a whole, with the individually thinking constituent components unaware that they are really all part of the same single meta-entity. It's as if the program itself is attempting to self-actuate, e.g. to figure itself out, to come to terms with itself, to make sense of the nature of its existence, and to then determine how it wants to proceed in the future (i.e. if it values itself enough to continue existing or to shut itself down). The individual constituent entities of Roger and Dorothy are pivotal to the success of the collective whole by themselves transcending their own natures and finding the strength to continue on despite logic dictating they shouldn’t be able to. It’s their strength, their established emotionally-based bond with each other, and then in turn Roger’s bond with Angel (who lies at the core of, and may ultimately actually be, the meta-entity), that starts the process resulting in the entire virtual reality finding peace with itself and stabilizing or even maturing, becoming a self-contained living, breathing universe, like a child Artificial Intelligence struggling through adolescence and then finally becoming an adult.
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Warrior Poet, I like a lot of your pionts.

Consider this, I think the computer program is part of medical tech/data storage.

As Roger says, "People are more than thier memories." Memories are really just data. They wouldn't be hard to store. However, personality is dymanic and can't be stored as static data. It has to be kept active. Have you ever read about sensory deprevation experiments? People go mad when they having nothing to do or sense.

If someone's body was damaged enough, possibly even destroyed, this tec would let you mend or fully regrow a new 'tomatoe' for the disembodied personality while keeping the mind sane.

Consider the military police officer. He has memories of himself as a small child at the movies with a girl. Later, he meets the girl, she recognizes him, and dies.

Someone might criticize this theory because in the last ep, the police officer sees himself and the girl as children while he's still an adult. As you get older, you think like more adult, but you still can think like a child if you try. In fact you might fall into certain patters when you are with certain people (parents, childhood best friend, etc) or certain situations (playing with legos, at disney world, etc). The version of your personality is still alive.

Maybe for a personality to survive storage is to stored in seperate parts.

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Wow that was an old post! Interesting thoughts. I think what you propose is speculative, but certainly plausible and makes sense.
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Its fun to revisit old post, see if anything has changed.

I really enjoy Storm of the Century. It had an ending that I will always remeber.

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Actually, the show does not reset itself in the end. If you notice when Roger drives off and they show the aftermath of the battle between Big Fau and Big O. Roger was able to reach negotiations with angel or save her humanity and instead of resetting everything, she gave the people of paradigm another chance and she wrote herself into Roger's life.

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Nicely stated.
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Hi Warrior Poet.

I just read your explanation and like your theory about the whole thing being some sort of computer program. But I think the whole simulation thing with Big O was thrown in sort of last minute, last episode. Up until the appearance of Big Venus, the series certainly gave us less than subtle hints that the whole thing was a physical stage with the cameras, lights, and movies to brainwash the human clones into becoming the people they're supposed to be. What always throws me off is when Gordon Rosewater tells both Roger and Angel that they're not his "beloved tomatoes" so if he didn't create them, who did? I always felt there was some importance to Big Venus looking a lot like Big O. Perhaps it indicates that both Roger and Angel are the "stars" of the "show"?

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That may very well be. Rosewater's comment is cryptic, but now that you bring it up, it does suggest exactly what you're stating. There's enough additional information presented as well to suggest they're both major players, i.e. more than just computer simulations. In fact, the very comment you mention may subtly hint at the possibility of both Angel and Roger not being virtual creations, but rather outsiders introduced into the virtual world during the catastrophe.

I would also have to agree that it seems at least possible, if not probable, that the computer simulation concept introduced with the Big Venus scene may have been a last-ditch idea. Although the concept of it being staged occurred throughout the entire series, it "seemed" more like a "Dark City" scenario as opposed to the "Matrix" or "Thirteenth Floor" situation the Big Venus scene indicates. It is interesting since it seems that it's a computer simulation that within itself is simulating a reality on top of another hidden virtual reality, kind of like a massive Chinese box.

In the end, though, we have to accept what we're given, even if the computer simulation notion wasn't the original intent (the writers may not have ironed out the ultimate intent, actually, until the final episode). Since the information shown to us during the Big Venus sequence can't be dismissed, I think the only real conclusion is that it's a computer simulation of some sort, regardless of anything that occurred previously in the series.
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Thanks for your input. I've yet to find a Big O theory that suggests both roger and angel may have been different or separate entities from paradigm since most people forget about the part when rosewater reveals that they're not his clones. I guess it could be because it's not really emphasized and for the whole second season Roger breaks down and cries out a lot about being a tomato.

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I don't think it was a computer program. I think there was World War III using Bigs that devestated the planet and the population. I think someone probably Rosewater used something, probably Big Venus to suppress not erase the memories and all the remaining humans and gather them in Paradigm City. If they were erase the wouldn't be able to be recalled. I think they were always there but the people couldn't access them. I think he implanted memories in some of the remaining children so they would never be completely forgotten. I think alot of what was shown was supposed to be metaphorical.

In a flash back we see a bunch of Roger's piloting a bunch of Bigs. I don't think that it's suppose to really be Roger but repersent a basic Big pilot and we most identify that role with Roger. I think the whole "stage" and "director" thing is also metaphorical. When Angel is made "director" I think its meant to be more like God is director of events on the stage of Earth and life kind of thing. I think she has become the new god of the world and now its up to her to decide how to use Big Venus. She could either destroy everything, let thing continue or reset.

Now I believe she either chose to continue while erasing everyones memories of what happened or she reset everything with a few difference, like keeping R. Dorothy in her position. As god her place and memories would be unaffected.

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I always thought 2 things about.

One that it was program and roger was self aware, and towards the end the program was either resetting itself or cleaning the area for a new program to run. I can see how some say that roger basically saved his virtual world, maybe even made it larger.

That or it was a tv show, and that by resetting it they can have a new series that plays out differently. That is until roger got wise that something wasn't quite right.

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The truth of the matter, it is a TV show. We can speculate all day. I heard the writers wanted another season but never got it so they had to come up with an ending.

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They didn't have to come up with an ending, basically in a nutshell they left some stuff open to develop on because they expected a 3rd season due to the popularity in the US, however they made a ending to where it "kinda" ties up the main storyline in case they didn't get a 3rd season. I say kinda because it can be speculated on all day.

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Can't explain, but it reminded me of Dark City as an earlier poster claimed.
Of course I can't explain that either.


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