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WHAT ARE THE GOOD LOVECRAFT FILMS??????


I currently haven't seen this one, but since this seems to be the most recent I figured I would post my question here. What are good Lovecraft films? I have seen a few reviews on line for various horror films, but I can't tell which is a Lovecraft film and which is just a regular old film.

I would really enjoy watching as many as I can get my hands on as I have just now started reading his works and am really having a good time with them

Any ideas?

Thanks IMDB people,
Phil

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ChECk IT

ReAnIMATOR
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MOuTH Of MaDNeSS

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You also might want to check out Dreams in the Witch-House (http://imdb.com/title/tt0643104/), which was part of the Masters of Horror series. Directed by Stuart Gordon, I think it's one of the best Lovecraft adaptations in a long time, and definitely one of Gordon's best efforts in this genre.

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GORDON IS A HACK HACK HACK HACK!!!

He's lost his vision YO - F that he never had it! He rode the coattails of greats and is now just riding the geeks to the bank - BECAUSE GEEK'S NEED A LEADER!

Dreams in the Witch House SUCK - BOYCOTT THAT S*&#

Hell MANAGIC is probably Gordon because all he got to do all day is read the internet and count dumb geek dolla's!

FOR REAL LOVECRAFT - Watch DIE MONSTER DIE and THE CRIMSON CULT!!!!

THOS ARE THE REAL DEAL -

BTW - Christymuah - you hot?

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also check out Stuart Gordons "Dreams in the Witch House" from the Masters of Horror series on Showtime.

Thats about it....his books just like Kings don't translate well to film.

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the dunwich horror
die monster die
dagon
reanimator
bride of reanimator
beyond reanimator
Hp Lovecraft film festival vol 1, vol 2 and vol 3 (available at www.lurkerfilms.com )
Call Of Cthulu (also at lurker films)
lurking fear
from beyond
necronomicon
unamable
unamable 2:statement of randolf carter
dreams of the witch house (master of horror: season 1 - episode 2)
beyond the wall of sleep
bleeders ( aka Hemoglobin)
castle freak
the haunted palace

and the best screen adaptation to date!!! ....
the resurrected



hope this list helps people out :)

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I don't think it's that Lovecraft's stories don't translate well... it's got more to do with the folks doing the translating.
Tossing a bunch of gore and rubber monsters at the screen misses the point. How many of these movies actually work at building atmosphere? How many of them actually get the nihilistic assumptions underlying Lovecraft's stories?
David Lynch usually captures the weird feeling of Lovecraft's tales for me better than any 'official' adaptations.

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christymuah: "In the Mouth of Madness" is not a Lovecraft film. It was written for the screen by John Carpenter. It is not based on Lovecraft. I did check it. And your spelling could use some improvement.

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Thanks for the spelling advice, but I didn't realize this was a grammar site and not a movie site.

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Apparently you didn't "check it" very thoroughly, balkaster. Here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carpenter] Wikipedia refers to In the Mouth of Madness as "yet another Lovecraftian homage," which it clearly is in terms of setting (New England), character (investigatory protagonist), and most saliently, theme (various unnamed horrors from other dimensions, people changing into other creatures, the general depravity of man at his basest, etc). Carpenter is not unfamiliar with this territory. Prince of Darkness, They Live and The Thing, to name a few, each incorporate similar plot structures and thematic elements that explore in true Lovecraftian style evil as an other-worldly force and people not being what they seem. One need only read the back of the ITMOM DVD to see that it's "inspired by the tales of H.P. Lovecraft," and Carpenter himself mentions this fact several times in the original director's commentary for the DVD release. Just because his name is not in the credits does not mean the film is devoid of his influence. Look no further than the Evil Dead films—Lovecraft is acknowledged for nothing in them; yet when one considers that the Necronomicon, a fictional work of Lovecraft’s creation, is a central element of the story, Lovecraft’s inspiration becomes an undeniable reality.

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In the Mouth of Madness is probably the best Lovecraft "inspired" movie. "The Thing", also from John Carpenter is also kind of a "Lovecraftian" movie in my opinion.
And also, how could anyone forget about the Evil Dead series. Sure they have not been written by Lovecraft himself, but they are very very heavily inspired by his mythology/universe, and they are classic horror movies.

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If we're going to get into Lovecraft 'inspired' films, I'd have to go with "The Descent", "The Mist", and the first "Hellraiser" movie (I'd also add "Blair Witch Project" if you can accept a suernatural explaination). I think all three do a good job of capturing elements of Lovecrafts storytelling and add just the right touch of twisted uneasiness.

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Didn't he ask for GOOD Lovecraftian films?

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I think this movie is worth while to watch and have in the Lovecrft collection. Compared to that early 80s crap this really really is an improvement. The last half of this movie redeems it.

Also Necrenomicon is a horrible movie. stay away from that if you like real movies. Combs really sold out.

From Beyond is great.

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The silent "Call of Cthulhu" is the only film worth watching as an example of Lovecraftian horror. All the Stuart Gordon films, whether good (Reanimator) or excreable (Dagon, Dreams in the Witch House) owe little more than their titles to HPL's works. The Corman stuff, the Night Gallery episodes, they all stink and none of them where ever bothered to actually follow the stories as written, needing to create love stories and the like. They all pretty much stink.

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Fletcher - Thank you for not commenting on my spelling first off.

Why can't Lovecraft movie's stay close to the original script. Is it because of studios or money people or actors? I watched Reanimator first and didn't think it was close to the story at all but everyone says its the closest to his work. Is that true? I really don't understand but I really like this stuff. I liked the Beyond The Wall Of Sleep film but is that close?

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"In the mouth of madness" is by far and away the best, most lovecraftian movie ever - but it is not based on any one of his stories. It just takes the concepts and runs with them.

Adaptions that are good movies aren't usually faithful, as film is such a different media to the printed word, lovecrafts monsters tend to suffer in the translation. I mean - the unameable is abotu 4 pages long, yet they just take the creature and stick it into a terrible cliche-ridden "teens in a haunted house" flick. With a totally name-able monster - a stupid harpy!

best films:
Reanimator
From Beyond

good films

The resurrected
The Haunted Palace

Films i'm fond of without being able to justify:
dagon
dunwich horror

the rest? Hmmmm. Not so good. Call of Cthulhu is interesting if dull. I'm going to watch beyond the wall of sleep tonite.

For more info on HPL movies - check out

http://www.hplovecraft.com/popcult/moviestv/based.asp

and

http://www.hplovecraft.com/popcult/moviestv/inspired.asp

and basically the whole of the site!

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Definately check out Dagon and From Beyond (will be coming out with a directors cut soon).

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as said above "mouth of madness" is not a lovecraft story, however Carpenter has said imany times he used lovecraft works for its inspriration, so its basically inspired by lovecrafts style of story. The silent "Call of chutlu" rocks, espechially for such a small indie budget. imagine what those guys could do with a hollywood budget. and i dont know why people sh!t on Necronomicon. I think it rules, sure it doesnt follow the stories very well, but it but its a kickk ass B movie in the horror genre, i just look at it as i do most lovecraft films, "Inspired by!" The best ones for following story are "The H.P. Lovecraft Collections" (availble at www.lurkerfilms.com) and of course "Resurrected." Which is the only really big budget film to follow the stories so good. I think they all rock though, i`m a fan, so if this is all we are offered on film, i will still appreciate the little attention Lovecraft recieves. When i want accurate stories, i`ll read the books again.

ps - Dunwich Horror would be a great movi to be re-done nowadays. Such a great/classic story. But you know hollywood, they are too busy re-doing foriegn films that are 2 years old because a high percentage of people in north america are too lazy and have an attention span too low to read subtitles, ie: the ring, the grudge, oldboy, list goes on and on.

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(some spoilers here)
Yes, Dunwich Horror would be a great remake. Really that is probably one of the few stories that can be translated to the screen pretty easily as is. I think Lovecraft stories are hard to translate because they're long on words and short on action. But Dunwich Horror has lots of action. Also The shadow over Innsmouth, probably his most influential story, might do pretty well as a movie.

The original Dunwich Horror, while quite dated (1970), is really good in that it gives you the "atmosphere" of a Lovecraft story. Sure, visually it isn't much, and Hollywood could do a lot better today, but it has a real creepy feeling to it. I always remember the last line in the film, spoken by Dr. Armitage: "his father was not of this world." It was great that they also had Sam Jaffee, who made a real good "Old Whateley." But a new film could make it a lot creepier. The 1970 version doesn't convey the creepiness of Wilbur Whateley, I think precisely because of the lack of special effects. Wilbur would be a rather difficult character to show, in that he's continually getting bigger.

Now here's something none of you have mentioned: did you realize that both "The Thing" movies (1950 and 1980) are Lovecraft stories, a bit indirectly? Maybe someone can correct me on this, but I heard they are adaptations of At the mountains of madness. Indirectly because both films are directly based on a book called Who goes there? from about 1940. But from what I understand, Who goes there? is based on At the mountains of madness.

I think that if this is true, the connection between the Lovecraft story and the 1980 version is particularly interesting. In the 1980 version--incidentally, my favorite monster movie!--John Carpenter really combines two creatures in the Lovecraft story into one. The Thing is really a combination of the Old Ones and the Shoggoths. I like to argue that everything the Thing does in the movie is in self-defense, and that is how Lovecraft interprets the actions of the Old Ones in relation to humans. He actually expresses sympathy for them and calls them "men" at one point. But the Thing has even more similarity to the Shoggoths, and Lovecraft has no sympathy for them.

The reason I love the 1980 Thing is that though the monster is horrible and disgusting and scary, it's scared of the humans, too! It has a number of weaknesses that make it a fascinating character in the story.

"Extremism in the pursuit of moderation is no vice."

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I found out last night that "Who goes there?" is actually a short story by John W. Campbell from 1938. I'm going to read it soon to see how believable the claim is that it's adapted from Lovecraft. A couple of people on the Web have said there is "much speculation" that Campbell was influenced by Lovecraft and considerable similarity between the stories, but I don't know if the connection has been demonstrated.

"Extremism in the pursuit of moderation is no vice."

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'I found out last night that "Who goes there?" is actually a short story by John W. Campbell from 1938. I'm going to read it soon to see how believable the claim is that it's adapted from Lovecraft. A couple of people on the Web have said there is "much speculation" that Campbell was influenced by Lovecraft and considerable similarity between the stories, but I don't know if the connection has been demonstrated.'

actually, the writer John W. Campbell, along with August Derleth and a couple others, were part of lovecraft's "writers circle" they read each other's work and corresponded with each other, mainly discussing and giving advice on one another's stories.

Campbell, Derleth and the others in this circle founded the publisher "Arkham House" after lovecraft's death, so that his, and their own work, would be preserved.

sweet, huh? :D

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As a huge fan of Lovecraft's work, I must admit that only one film has ever come close to capturing the feel of his stories... and that's the silent film, Call of cthulhu. It's pretty much a direct translation of the actual story and is a beautiful piece of cinema gold.

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I just got the Campbell story. I'm going to read it this weekend to see if the connection to "At the mountains of madness" is credible. I'll let you know what I think.

I'll have to check the "Call of Cthulhu" film out. That sounds fascinating.

I have to admit, though, that I've never agreed with the popular view that "Call of Cthulhu" is one of Lovecraft's best stories. I suppose it's an "important" story in the study of Lovecraft, since it's the one that lays out the "Cthulhu mythos" in most detail. But the ending makes Cthulhu look kind of silly. Ordinarily in Lovecraft's stories, you don't get to see one of his monsters and live to tell the tale, at least unless you've used some sort of magic to defeat it, as in "The Dunwich Horror." Cthulhu ends up being a bumbler at the end of "Call of Cthulhu." Also, how plausible is the idea that Cthulhu is dependent on an earthquake to escape from prison? If he (or it?) has the power to control people's dreams, don't you think he'd also have the ability to break out of prison on his own? The story isn't too believable.

"Extremism in the pursuit of moderation is no vice."

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Lovecraft stories don't typically work well on the screen, for three reasons: one, that his mostly short-story output doesn't have many stories that stretch out well to a movie of 90 min. or more. Second, much of the stories take place in a narrator's mind. So, to stay close to the original story would result in a very talky movie with little visual action, and that's not so effective. Third, he relied on ambiguous descriptions of creatures that let the readers' imagination fill in the blanks. One person's idea of "the unnamable" is different from another person's. Movies by definition show you what's happening, so the only way somebody could come up with something that would do justice to the stories is if they had a very weird vision and the budget to carry it out. The only movies like this are Carpenter's "The Thing" and "In The Mouth Of Madness". Though neither was directly based on a Lovecraft story, they were influenced; especially "Mouth", which is clearly a tribute to Lovecraft.
The path Stuart Gordon has taken is to stick to HPL's less psychological and more violent earlier works. My favorite Lovecraft adaptation is "Dagon". It does stick very closely to its source story ("The Shadow Over Innsmouth" and not "Dagon" itself). The beings of this story are more explicitly described than most, and the film is often very effective at letting them be heard rather than seen- the Deep Ones here sound just like you'd imagine. It's also one of the few HPL stories into which a sexual element can legitimately be introduced, because it's all about interspecies mating. Working in Spain allowed Gordon to use much better acting and special effects than he would have been able to afford in the U.S. It has lots of atmosphere, it's well-acted, respects its source material, and it's very suspenseful. It's very violent, too; but I think that when Lovecraft fans complain about films of his work turning out to be gore-fests, they forget how violent and gory Lovecraft's stories often get. ("The Hound" comes quickly to mind).

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Thanks. I'll have to check out Dagon. Although I don't think the "goriest" stories in the Lovecraft genre are usually by Lovecraft himself. I think the goriest story I've read was "The horror in the museum," which was not by Lovecraft himself but edited by him. I forget the name of the author. It is not for the faint of heart! It's the title story of a volume of his "revisions." Another one I found kind of shocking on the first read was "Fat face" by Michael Shea. I think that's in Cthulhu 2000.

I just thought of something. I guess we have to give the maker of Beyond the wall of sleep credit for at least trying to make a movie from one of Lovecraft's stories. I wish it were better, but at least he tried. It's interesting while badly done.

I did read that John W. Campbell story, which The thing is based on, last weekend. Dementia13, you seemed to subscribe to the idea that it was influenced by Lovecraft, and I do think that's pretty believable. However, about the only things "Who goes there?" and "At the mountains of madness" have in common are an antarctic research team and "shapeshifters." That might seem like quite a bit, but in the Lovecraft story, the shapeshifting nature of the Shoggoths does not directly affect humans as far as I can remember. The Old Ones are their victims, not the humans, and you never see their shapeshifting. I suppose Campbell might have read Lovecraft's story and thought, "I could do more with that."

In an earlier posting, I said I've interpreted the monster in the 1982 Thing as acting in self-defense. Actually, that's based on an element in the movie that departs from Campbell's story. Towards the end of the film, someone says to McReady, "after we die the Thing will freeze to death." And McReady says, "I think it wants to freeze." That is contrary to Campbell's story, but I do think it makes the character of the 1982 Thing really interesting, and in some ways more in line with Lovecraft's story.

"Extremism in the pursuit of moderation is no vice."

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bigbadbradly, you need to learn to speak or put your words in typing because I can't understand a damn thing in your post except asking the girl with the annoying TyPiNg StYlE if she's hot.

~There Is No Love In Your Violence~

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my understanding of the "thing" was that Carpenter re-did the 1940 rko version of the thing, because it is his favorite movie (a nice bit of trivia, in "Halloween" (carpenters gem to the world) when they are watching scary movies on tv on halloween night, the movie is the original thing ) but he loves lovecraft so when he re-did the original movie (which is based on that book) he changed it alot and used "mountains of madness" for his inspiration. the book is not a rip-off of lovecraft, john carpenters the thing, is a hybrid of a movie based on that book, with a flare of lovecraft inspiration from "At the mountains of madness" i don`t remember what dvd it is on (possible the 25th anniversary edition of halloween") but Carpenter actually tells this same story, i think it is on that version of halloween, in all the extra/bonus goodies.

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haggard_mess,
The thing that makes me a little unsure of the Lovecraft influence on Carpenter's Thing is that in the documentary in the collector's edition, where he talks about why he made the film, he never mentions Lovecraft or "At the mountains of madness." But then maybe it's expecting too much for him to go into that much detail. What he says in the documentary is that he just wanted to make a film that followed John W. Campbell's story "Who goes there?" better.

Also that he wanted to avoid making a movie like the 1951 Thing, as he put it, a "man in a suit kind of film." And of course he really succeeds in that. As far as I know, there's never a "Thing suit" in Carpenter's movie. Oh, actually, it just occurred to me: I guess when Bennings (is that the guy who almost gets transformed before they burn him up?) is about to be burnt up, he is in a "Thing suit." Though of course his real head is fully visible. This is the guy who says, "that's going to get somebody the Nobel Prize someday" before he gets taken over.

Now, as I said, Campbell's story may have been influenced by At the mountains of madness, but it's a bit hard to be sure of that, too. At least from the limited information I have.

"Extremism in the pursuit of moderation is no vice."

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i see your point for sure, i am trying to find out / remember exactly what interview i saw it in. it might have been one from the horror documentary "an american nightmare" , not sure though, i`ll re-post if i can track it down here for sure.

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I am biased but I would say independent films such as:

Call of Cthulhu (HPLHS)
Cool Air (Lurker Films)
Out of Mind: The Stories of H.P. Lovecraft (Lurker Films) [this was shown on Bravo! really a homage and compilation of many stories]
Rough Magik (Lurker Films) [modern version of Call of Cthulhu TV series]
Chilean Gothic [decent version of Pickman's Model]

hit the mark more often than naught... more atmosphere than many of the Hollywood "adapations" or "inspired-by" films although the low budgets show through.

For faithful feature adaptations I would have to say I can't think of any that I truly love. Dagon has its moments (the town and the townspeople were creepy), Dreams in the Witch House is a fairly good modernization of the story, but I think the first part of Alien, The Thing and Quatermass and the Pit are the best "Lovecraftian" films out there.

As you will see Lovecraft is generally treated very superficially ... a tentacle here, a monster there, but what they all lack in general is atmosphere and a sense of our true insignificance in the universe and the pending doom of mankind.

Unfortunately Lovecraft is becoming trendy and everyone is using his name as a hook for their film.

I've talked to Guillermo del Toro via email (and interviewed in my book Lurker in the Lobby co-written with John Strysik) and I believe he is the only director I know off that gets Lovecraft in a way that do his work justice.

Until then I'd recommend checking out the more faithful independent productions.

Andrew Migliore, President
LURKER FILMS, INC.
http://www.lurkerfilms.com

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I agree with your picks as far as:
Call of Cthulhu
Cool Air
Out of Mind: The Stories of H.P. Lovecraft

Never seen:
Rough Magik (Lurker Films) [modern version of Call of Cthulhu TV series]
Chilean Gothic [decent version of Pickman's Model]

Picked up a copy of a few of these at your festival years ago.

Andrew, one thing I do disagree with you about is your sudden "blame hollywood" for the HP Lovecraft "Trendy" movement. I dont think Lovecraft is trendy at all. I think Horror movies in general are trendy and sometimes that bleeds into the HP world, but we can't mistake a little blurring of the lines with making lovecraft trendy. AND I think that when ned movies come out based on lovecraft films that we deem "trendy" often times aren't at all, they are simply trying to take HP's work in a new direction. Something it so desperately needs at this point in time.

Funny you should mention Guillermo del Toro as I believe him to be as cookie cutter and hollywood as most of them. Hopefully your not pulling a HArry from Aintitcoolnews.com and are just excited about him conversing with you.

Thats my only criticism. But, take it with a grain of salt as I love your advocation for HP, your festival, and if you remember who I am (which hopefully you do by my name) then I will see you this year.

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I am all for filmmakers using Lovecraft as a springboard as long as the atmosphere and cosmic horror elements are maintained. By all means take it in a new direction, make it modern etc. (although I still prefer period vs. modern), but I want a slow progressive disclosure of insanity inducing consequences. Action is fine but if it is just man vs. man ultimately why bother unless it touches on our relationship with the cosmos.

Personally, I am really tired of exploitative films that throw in the Necronomicon or a tentacle and call it Lovecraft. It is all very superficial. Having done the festival, the book, etc for over a decade I can kind of see a trend and Lovecraft's awareness is growing and is appearing more and more in pop culture and there are more and more films being made that are exploitative in this way.

Filmmakers and companies are seeing a potential to tap into the large following and are trying to cash in.

I find it very difficult finding quality feature films (that I haven't shown) that address these elements.

Regarding Guillermo, I've talked to him and he was interviewed for my book with John Strysik, and I think he really understands. I may come across as a fan boy because I actually have some hope of a real lovecraft adaptation. He will be the first to agree with you regarding the Hollywood films he did ... they are pizza & a sixpack films. Check out his Mexican and Spanish films: Cronos, Devil's Backbone, Pan's Labyrinth. They may not be perfect but they are certainly atmospheric and interesting.

So we can say I still await the day for a real Lovecraft feature film... until then I would focus on the amateur and indy market of short films.

cheers!

Andrew Migliore, President
LURKER FILMS, INC.
http://www.lurkerfilms.com

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Actually, the only really top of the crop Lovecraft adaptation that I've seen was Andrew Leman's silent, b&w CALL OF CTHULHU. None of the others work like that one does, but qualified successes are THE RESURRECTED, REANIMATOR, and FROM BEYOND. For my money, the only part of THE DUNWICH HORROR that catches the madness of Lovecraft's tale is the animated opening sequence, with the wild Les Baxter score; I wish the entire movie had been made in that style! The bizarre OUT OF MIND is a look at Lovecraft himself and his world; it may be the Holy Grail to HPL fans, but I'm not sure it means ANYTHING to someone who knows little about him.

The original Outer Limits has three very Lovecraftian episodes, though none of them are direct adaptations: DON'T OPEN TILL DOOMSDAY, THE GUESTS, and THE FORMS OF THINGS UNKNOWN. (many include IT CRAWLED OUT OF THE WOODWORK, but I don't really see that, even though it is a fave ep of mine)

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There is also another movie based on lovecraft's work it's called The Shunned House... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0378760/

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