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Could the Civil War have been avoided


Could the Civil War have been avoided?

Tough question as it is endlessly debated in every Civil War book on the chapters leading up to secession and then Fort Sumter. The answer is more like the war should have been avoided, but that's very obvious, isn't it?

By the end of the 1850s, the only compromises possible on the issue of slavery, free or slave state, and states' rights were those of negative compromises, the kind were no one benefits but every one must lose. It leaves both sides unsatisfied, resentful, and angry; but by then it was the only kind of agreement possible.

In hindsight, what would have happened if the Southern slave owners accepted a far-out proposal to emanicpate their slaves and accept monetary compensation from the federal government? This is cynical to say so, but then the South could have gone on to tranform the freed slaves into serfs or peasants, pretty much what happened to the blacks anyway under the Jim Crow laws and the sharecropper system of the early 20th century. The northerners did not believe the black man was equal to the white man, the same sentiment of the south. But the north just didn't want to see the black man still enslaved. Anything else done to them would probably have meant little else. The South never took advantage of this northern sentiment. But once the issue of slave ownership evaporated and then the thorny emotional issue of slave or free state would have gone away as well. Then the south and north could turn their attention to resolving commerce and economic issues between themselves, something that is typically possible without resort to war.

It's hard to predict what kind of United States would have been without a Civil War. It would have initially been a strong nation that would have quickly covered the entire continent faster than what took place. But issues that were resolved, such as the supremecy of the federal government over the states, the limitation of states' rights; economic, political, and commerce powers assumed by the federal government, even the concept of secession, would have not been totally resolved and possibly still bitterly contested today, leading to later divisions within the U.S. Congress and among the states.

But in the grand scheme of things, any peaceful alternative would have been preferable to the loss of some 660,000 lives, the total devastation of the southern states, and a lasting legacy of bitterness and racial divide that lingers on today, even if fortunately the passing of decades withers it more.

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I'm not insensitive to the subject of slavery but it's also important to remember that when the Southern States talked about seceding from the Union, James Buchanan is the the one who refused to acknowledge the Southern states rights. In reality, it was both North and South who were wrong in the fight. With Buchanan, you have a leader who wanted to strong-arm what he viewed as a handful of dissidents. When the South attacked Fort Sumter on 9 January 1861, it was perhaps fortunate that he had lsot the 1860 election to Lincoln.

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What is controversial is that the 'inevitability' of a civil war were the seeds sown in the imperfect creation of the United States union and government after the Revolutionary War. The nation's founders essentially did a deal with the devil by tabling the issue of slavery and allowing it to continue, otherwise there would have been no United States in 1783 but a collection of smaller nation states as the slave-owning states were absolutely adamant - no legalized slavery, no nation. There wouldn't have been a civil war back then because the United States was still in embryo, but chaos would have ensued and out of it several Atlantic seaboard nations, the northeastern union, and perhaps a coalition of smaller nation states in the south. Today's America might have resembled Europe, a patchwork of regional and competing mostly democratic, English-speaking nations.

So the deal to allow slavery and create the United States took place. And it would take nearly 74 years for the issue to resurface in war and devastation. The United States survived, but at great cost. But the world can give great thanks to the United States. Whether the rest of the world loves or hates us, without the U.S., there would have been no Allied victory in World War I, and the issue in World War II would have been questionable. The end of World War II in an alternate history might have seen the Soviet hammer and sickle banner raised in victory from the borders of western China all the way to the English Channel over the crushed remains of Nazi Germany. Soviet armies would have stood poised in the millions on the coasts of western France to gaze over the Channel to the white chalk cliffs of Dover.

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James Buchanan is the the one who refused to acknowledge the Southern states rights.


Not really. Buchanan felt he had no power to keep the South from seceding and acted accordingly. I don't see his feeble actions in trying to reinforce Ft. Sumter as anything like "strong-arming" the South.

"I shall tread uncommon wary and keep my pepperbox handy."

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If the federal and state governments would have been willing to stop subsidizing slavery then I highly doubt the Civil War would have happened.

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With Buchanan, you have a leader who wanted to strong-arm what he viewed as a handful of dissidents. When the South attacked Fort Sumter on 9 January 1861, it was perhaps fortunate that he had lost the 1860 election to Lincoln.


The ship The Star of the West was attacked by Charleston Harbor batteries on January 9. Sumter was not attacked until April 12. Also, Buchanan was not a Presidential -candidate in 1860. Lincoln ran against Stephen Douglas (D-IL), John Breckenridge (SD-KY), and John Bell (CU-TN).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1860

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I think some sort of explosion was inevitable so long as slavery existed. The differences in economic and social systems between the different states/regions was probably too great to overcome. Ironically, if it had occured earlier the war probably would have been less bloody and destructive than it ultimately was.

"I shall tread uncommon wary and keep my pepperbox handy."

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Virtually all other countries in the world succeeded in abolishing slavery, many prior to the US. If they could do so relatively peacefully, why could not the southern states have done the same?

Sunset clauses on slavery - say by 1900, with or without financial compensation, discontinuing slavery for the newly born, all of these ideas were proposed at one time or another, all of them allowing for gradual extinction of slavery and adjusting of economic conditions, yet all were rejected by southern slave owners. Most such types of proposals were honorable compromises, but were still rejected.

Because of an intractable will to resist change, because of stubborn hardheadedness, because of a sense of racial superiority, because they could cure themselves of the addiction of slavery and all the attending benefits.

The southern states were aching for a fight, and did everything possible to make sure they provoked a war. There was nothing really inevitable about the civil war except the south looking forward to one.

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