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how do southerners get along with northerners in Iraq/Afganistan?




Is there any animosity left nowadays?




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I sure hope not. Us Americans as a whole did incredibly well at rebuilding bridges after a civil war. Oh, there were hard times, but compared to other countries that have had civil wars, we've come back together fairly well so that only the most die-hards are still on about North vs. South.

I'm born and raised in the South, am passionate about the Civil War, and have plenty of friends all around this great country.

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The War Between the States/Civil War/War of the Southern Rebellion/War of Northern Aggression officially ended in 1865. Unofficially it ended in 1917 when AMERICAN soldiers fought against a common enemy. For the first time in almost 50 years AMERICAN soldiers mixed and mingled, fought and died beside and for one another in an AMERICAN army. Perhaps the truly official end of the Civil War came on July 4, 1944 when Vicksburg, MS. celebrated the Fourth of July for the first time in 81 years.

I served in the Navy 1968-70; we were a mixed bag. Speaking personally I had a lot of southern friends, enough to inspire me to move down to Georgia for most of the 1970s (moved back north because of an aging mother and 2 small children.)

I'd say that yes there's animosity because of politics at times, but probably more because the gul-durned SEC keeps winning all the national football titles and a bunch of the basketball titles as well. Not much worth fighting a war over or fragging your buddy, I 'spose.

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A good take on the north/south divide in WWI is the film 'The Fighting 69th', with James Cagney. The army merges a New York national guard unit with a southern unit, both units having a strong American Civil War heritage.

The mini-series 'Rough Riders' has Gen. Joseph Wheeler. Played as a crazy CSA hanger on, played by crazy actor Gary Busey

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^^^ Great movie. I love the scene at the railroad depot. "My grandfather kicked your butt at...." I've heard some good and bad about The Rough Riders. I really enjoyed it and I thought that may have been Tom Berenger's best job as an actor. If you didn't know it was him, you'd never know it was him.

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Unofficially it ended in 1917 when AMERICAN soldiers fought against a common enemy. For the first time in almost 50 years AMERICAN soldiers mixed and mingled, fought and died beside and for one another in an AMERICAN army.


C'mon, what about the Spanish-American War of 1898? There was an American army composed of men from all over the country, with if I'm not mistaken, even a few Confederate officers brought back into active service as goodwill propaganda.

It may not have been a war to be proud of, that's another matter, but it did happen before the Great War.

On another note, it could also be said that in other parts of the south, like Vicksburg, the civil war wasn't over in the hearts and minds of the citizens until WWII, when for the first time Vicksburg celebrated Independence Day again officially.

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I was actually paraphrasing some historian whose name I can't recall. In relative terms, the Spanish-American War was a skirmish, not large enough to blend/merge/join more than a handful of people... relatively speaking. WWI joined together millions of young Americans from all the 48 states, many of whom had never met a living descendant of the men their granddaddies had fought against and were thus known to each other only by what their daddies and granddaddies had told them. Remember, people didn't get around nearly as much in those days... no superhighways, internet... for the most part not even radio.

The Cagney movie was mentioned; in a more recent movie about WWI, "The Lost Batallion" a young southern officer or non-com (I can't recall which) was supposed to have posted with a southern battalion but somehow ended up with a unit from NY. He's voicing his concerns to the Colonel (played brilliantly by Rick Schroeder), and says, "how am I supposed to lead these men? I can't even understand them?" The Colonel answers, "that's not your job. Your job is to make them understand you."

Back to the SAW, there's a story that Gen. Wheeler was urging on his boys who were charging up some hill (Kettle Hill?) yelling, "GO ON BOYS! GIT THEM YANKEES!"

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No, I think we squashed that beef long, long ago. Now, on the other hand, if you were to bring up the civil war to a Southerner or even to insinuate that Robert E. Lee is not the greatest general in American history, it might result in a small disagreement.

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Probably true what you say about mentioning GEN Lee. :) I don't see any animosity now; just some good natured ribbing occasionally with a few of my "yankee" friends.

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