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People who stay in abusive relationships being victims are IDIOTS


Period.

For 2 reasons:
- You SHOULD have gotten to know your spouse before marrying him. Abusers cannot hide their true natures when watched on their daily routine (say living together before marrying). They may disguise it, but you can see it if you look for it. That's why I always prefer girls to move in with their boyfriends if the thing is serious enough to consider them spousal material (morals be damned as long as he straps up) before marrying the prick. Otherwise, it's YOUR fault (unless you're living in India or whatever where you don't get to know your future spouse beforehand)
- Staying will damage them and their kids far more than leaving and taking their chances on the streets.

I don't care how smart they are. I've learned in the gym that you can have an IQ of 200 and still have your head full of $h!t (typical rich dude out of shape offers me $1,000 to put him in shape for beach season in 2 weeks, and I reply that if he actually manages to get in shape in 2 weeks, I'll pay HIM $5,000).

If they truly cannot leave for whatever reason, there's always the "Dolores Claiborne" solution...



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I think that you could not find your butt with both hands.

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I think that you could not find your butt with both hands.


Over two years later - and it's still hilarious.^

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There's a lot of stupid, dumb-witted posts and threads on IMDB, but even this stands out among them.

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Says the self-proclaimed, but clearly delusional, expert on abusive relationships. (Place eye-roll here)

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You know, when I was young and stupid, I was talking to my sister and made a statement that women that stay in abusive relationships are stupid. She then explained to me how one's self esteem is slowly eroded until the person does not know which way they are going. They end up thinking they are not worth anything and that they deserve what they are getting. They believe the lies that the abuser is telling them. I later found out that when we had this convo she was in an abusive relationship. I had no idea. Abusers tend to make sure the victim blames his/her self so that they don't tell what is happening. You are blaming the victims too. Oh my sister was killed by her abuser.

I was young and stupid and ignorant. I later became a counselor for rape survivors and domestic violence survivors. I became an authority on the subject. I trained others in how to deal with hotline calls from people in abusive situations and survivors of rape. I trained cops in how to deal with trauma survivors. I only did it for 8 years but that was plenty. It was amazing how I saw these strong men and women heal from the traumas they survived. They were so strong.

So I figure you must be ignorant or young or maybe you are just an idiot or maybe you are all three.



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Wrong. There are people who are wonderful through dating and as soon as they get married, they change. My parents were friends with a couple who were very in love. He was a great man. They got married and that night he beat her so badly she was in the hospital. Granted, I will never understand why a woman doesn't leave the FIRST time they are hit, but lots of them have low self esteem and think they deserve it.

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I have two sisters and my father, brother and I, even my mother always looked after them and we've taught them some things about men, self-respect. They've grown to be strong women that they dont take sht from men.

But I'll be damned if I ever hear that a man laid a finger any of them, I'll be damned.

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I have two sisters and my father, brother and I, even my mother always looked after them and we've taught them some things about men, self-respect. They've grown to be strong women that they dont take sht from men.

But I'll be damned if I ever hear that a man laid a finger any of them, I'll be damned.


Well goody for your sisters, but not all girls grow up just like them.

Sometimes, it's the fathers and/or brothers who are "laying the finger" on the girls in the household. What protection is extended to these girls is in the context of their being the "property" of their fathers/brothers. And when they leave home, they lose even what little protection they did have.

Your sisters can be confident that someone has their back. Not everyone is your sisters.

So.

Yeah.

I say this with reasonable kindness, but not without some consternation: Please get off of this victim-blaming trip you're on, in suggesting that "taking sht is for the "weak". Most if not all abuse survivors are obliged to be stronger than you, your father, your brother and your sisters combined.

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Aw bless your heart, you think you know everything. Let me guess- 17?

My dad was married to my mom 8 years before the abuse began. They moved to a new area where dad's family was and his family told him things like "THIS is your wife?" They encouraged him to cheat and rather than being a man and telling them STFU and leaving he listened to them. Then he started becoming abusive. She kept holding out that he'd be the man she married, and it took her a long time to leave because she did what many women do, make themselves totally dependent on their spouse or SO.

I love my DH but I always said I'd never be dependent on anyone for money.

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17, living in daddy's basement, typing with one hand because the other is 'occupied'.

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Please kill yourself.

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My first husband was 24 and I was 18 when we married. We only dated 4 months before we got married. He wasn't at all abusive and then one day about a year after we married we got into some typical disagreement and he hit me. I came home the next day on my lunch break, packed up my few belongings and left. Now I know not every woman can or will do this but I had an Italian father who always told me "if any man lays a hand on you, let me know". He was 6'1" tall and had a lot of "friends". Plus I had places to stay so it was easier for me.

If we had lived where I had no family or friends and didn't have a job things might have turned out very different. I also didn't have a baby to worry about. I'm of the opinion if a woman allows that first slap or beating the husband will continue to do it. I wish Hollywood would make a movie about a woman whose husband beats her for the first time and she turns it around and beats the living daylights out of him.

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I wish Hollywood would make a movie about a woman whose husband beats her for the first time and she turns it around and beats the living daylights out of him.


Are you kidding? They couldn't even re-make "Ghostbusters" with an all-female cast without the MRA's going absolutely apeSht.

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Most women, young women rather, notice red flags from men that needed to be put on check before things go boom but they're goal is "to change them".

My boyfriend didn't show any signs of being abusive until three years in. I had been living with him for two.

So he started to show his abusive side 3 years later? Hmm..I dont know what's the story, theres always two sides to the story between both of you but if he showed signs of being abusive 3 years later is because maybe, just maybe, theres something missing in the relationship.

Like there are guys in relationships that proven themselves how much they love and care but the women doesnt show it as much as they do and then that drives the guys crazy to the point where they become angry, paranoid and "abusive"..

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I don't see how violence is a solution to feelings of not being loved enough by the women they're with

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I don't see how violence is a solution to feelings of not being loved enough by the women they're with

Its not a solution but its understandable why it happens and I dont blame them.

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No, it's not understandable. You do not have the right to strike anyone based on hurt feelings. If you do that, you're a savage and emotionally unstable person who belongs behind bars.

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No, it's not understandable.

Yes it is understandable. If you're in a relationship you must treat each other equally, not one showing more effort than the other, does that make sense?

If you do that, you're a savage and emotionally unstable person who belongs behind bars.

I wouldnt do it. I know men who cracked because they've were in a relationship where they were unappreciated after they've put lots of effort. This is why some people change and cheat in relationships. Can you blame them?

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I repeat:

No, it's not understandable.
If you do that, you're a savage and emotionally unstable person who belongs behind bars.


Blaming the abused instead of the abuser is like blaming the murdered instead of the murderer. The victims do not bring it upon themselves. It's not their fault they get abused, and they often have trouble leaving those relationships because it's a psychological thing. You don't have the right to abuse anyone for any reason, especially someone you're in a relationship with. If you hit someone much smaller than you, you're a pussy. That simple. You seem like you sympathize with the abusers. That's not normal nor right.

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Even if the abused knew about the abusive side from the beginning and still decided to stay there?

Thats like playing russian roulette you knowing the risk.

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No one has the right to strike anyone. If two random people did that in a bar, they'd be arrested for assault.
Same thing should happen here. Why is being married or dating someone even a factor in that? A crime is a crime.





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Most women, young women rather, notice red flags from men that needed to be put on check before things go boom but they're goal is "to change them".


Or maybe they notice the red flags, but rather than encourage women to trust their own judgement and listen to their instincts, everything and everyone around them tells them that they're just being "paranoid". Women are not allowed to be even a little paranoid; rather, women are expected to be the caretakers of a relationship - and when they're not the caretakers in the relationship, it becomes a justification for an abuser to become "angry, paranoid and 'abusive'".

It's not a woman's goal to "change them"; it's your goal (and expectation) for a woman to "change them". You have clearly stated that a woman is responsible for a man's behavior. You have clearly stated that "guys go crazy" if a woman doesn't "show them enough love". You have said that you "don't blame" a man for it when he "goes crazy" and that you "understand" a man who becomes "angry, paranoid and abusive". How did you come to this "understanding", exactly?

For future reference, anger and paranoia are a part of an abuser's arsenal of psychological control and intimidation, and an abuser will use these tools to their full advantage in breaking down the integrity and the boundaries of the person they have targeted for abuse.

Most women, young women rather


Abusers target young women because they are likely more vulnerable than older and more experienced women who've learned to recognize the warning signs of abuse patterns, and at a much earlier stage. Having said that, though, abuse can happen to anyone, young or old, men or women, and it is never the fault of the victim. Abusers can smell vulnerability, and exploiting vulnerability - well, that is, after all, what they do.

[A man abusing a woman for "not loving him enough"] is not a solution but its understandable why it happens and I dont blame them.


You don't blame a man for letting his own violent emotions control his behavior, yet you blame a woman when a man emotionally manipulates and physically intimidates her into accepting her abuse? Gee, I guess it's really true that there are always "two sides to a story" - so long as both of them are yours.


So why ever on earth should any woman pay attention to red flags, when there are experts like you standing there and telling her that the real problem is she's "not showing him enough "love""?

Maybe she's not showing him enough love because she doesn't love him. And maybe she doesn't love him because he punishes her when she goes at her own emotional pace. Maybe she's noticed that he's just a bit too hyper when he's "proving his love" - and it's starting to freak her out. Maybe she's starting to realize that this love of his has nothing to do with her as a person, and everything to do with receiving an emotional performance of love from her; even if she does not authentically feel that love.

Do you understand what I'm saying to you. I'm telling you that women are people, not dispensers.

What are you even doing here?

The women doesn't show it as much as they do and then that drives the guys crazy.


Yeah - it drives the entitled guys"crazy" - when they reckon they're not being given what they think they're "owed".

No one owes them love. No one owes them sex. No one owes them their time or attention - and if someone seems to be growing distant from them, maybe it's because that person is starting to pay more attention to those red flags and are putting two and two together. You know, that really does drive abusers "crazy". When an abuser's entitlement is challenged, and they start being seen for who they really are, it's time for them to panic.

But what I think you need to do is stop thinking out loud and figuring everything out as you go along - because you are making a victim-blaming fool out of yourself.

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red flags


You first need to establish what you mean by "red flags". Describe a "red flag".

Are (all) "red flags" the same things as "dealbreakers"? If they're not the same things, please explain the difference(s) between them. Go into as much detail as you like - but please - speak for yourself and nobody else. I'd really like to hear your answers.

These "red flags" (dealbreakers?) you seem to expect women to both look for in men, and to correctly act upon - do you look for those same "red flags" in the men whom you befriend? Why or why not?

Do you work hard to "prove your friendship" to your male friends - and if they don't show you an equal level of friendship, how do you react? Do you "go crazy"? Do you become "angry, abusive and paranoid"? Do you expect everyone to "understand" whatever punishments you mete out to your men friends for not being a good enough friend to you?

Do I sound ridiculous?

Good. Because that's exactly how you sound when you talk about "proving" stuff.

That said, I'd still like to hear your "red flags"/"dealbreakers" answer.


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