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Did Japan undertake the space mition mentioned in the movie ?

posted 20 years ago by zaida2000
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I remember the movie refered to a Japanies space mission planned in "2 years" from the date of the movie i.e 2003 which was planning on photographing the moon from a close distance and that would prove if the remains of the NASA mition were there or not! did anyone look into this ? that should put an end to speculation one way or another.. the documentory did sound interesting and yes i agree it was single sided.. not sure why NASA did not do justice to itself by having a former spoksperson who did not provide enough justification like the other side did !!

[–] jrkeller 20 years ago

Japan plans to launch two probes to the moon in 2005. You can find the info or these missions here,

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/database/MasterCatalog?sc=LUNAR-A

and here,

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/database/MasterCatalog?sc=SELENE

The European Space Agency has already launched a probe to the moon and it arrives at the end of this year.

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/database/MasterCatalog?sc=2003-043C

As far as the NASA spokesman goes, the producers and editer can pick and chose what they want to use.

[–] Jim-500 20 years ago

It doesn't make any difference if the photos show remains from the moon missions. If they do, the conspiracy nuts will just claim that the photos were faked.

[–] sujoyroy8 20 years ago

This was REALLY interesting, and the way NASA responded with that spokesperson - LOL - you could believe it. It wasn't even as if NASA didn't have the chance to prove they had done it, they just denied everything which isn't enough.

[–] FlorinCatana 19 years ago

If we admit that this show is a one-side presentation, than why didn't NASA come up with a version of their own, to clarify all the aspects. If they did and i haven't find out yet i appologies!

[–] sujoyroy8 19 years ago

damn that sucks.

and yeah florin that was exactly my point - they had the clear opportunity to disprove and disbelief in the moon landings.. Very odd way to act over something that was a rather large historical event. The other thing i've wondered a lot is why's no one - from any country ever been back since - especialy the USA!! :)

[–] heresjay 18 years ago

NASA did intend to respond to these and other critics. They hired engineer James Oberg to write a rebuttal and gave him $15,000 to do so. However, when this plan was announced there was such a public outcry against wasting public money on such nonsense that NASA was forced to withdraw the plan.

As to Brian Welch's performance, keep in mind that Did We Land on the Moon? was directed and edited entirely by the conspiracy theorists. Most people here seem to agree it was one-sided. Well, part of being one-sided is to show your critics, but show them in such a way that they appear foolish or unprepared.

I contacted some of the people who appeared on this show. Astronaut Brian O'Leary told me he gave a half-hour interview to the producers in which he stated several times that he believed the moon landings were real. But the producers used only the few seconds of it that they could make sound like he had some doubts. Yes, a long time ago O'Leary once was unsure -- but he now realizes his past doubts were unfounded.

I also spoke with Paul Fjeld, the man identified as an LM expert. Fjeld was so upset at the way the producers had misrepresented him that he threatened to sue Nash Entertainment -- the people who produced the program for Fox. Some people at Fox have told me that the reason this program hasn't been aired again, and the reason you can't buy it, is because Fox's lawyers are now certain that lawsuits claiming misrepresentation would undoubtedly succeed. If that's true, it represents a fairly strong disavowal of the content of the film; it conveys the producers' belief that others would be able to prove they intended to mislead, which is a more serious condition than simply having gotten it wrong by mistake.

[–] G-Com 18 years ago

Oh?

Personally, I'm still on the fence. I'd like to see a completely privately-funded venture send an unmanned vehicle up there to survey the lunar surface. I echo the late Bill Kaysing's promise: "if there's a lunar lander there, you'll never hear me say anything more about a hoax. If there isn't, I'll rest my case."

[–] heresjay 18 years ago

I've disagreed with you on many points elsewhere, but on one point I'm happy -- even enthusiastic -- to agree with you: private space enterprise must happen. Whether to Earth orbit, to the moon, or to the planets, the problem with space exploration today is the interference from government. I know you're thinking specifically of independent confirmation of the remaining Apollo equipment, but I would like to see more private control of space. For me it's a matter of getting inept government bureaucracy out of the picture.

However, I need to make one correction: Bill Kaysing indeed said, in the Fox film, that he would recant if there were independent confirmation. However, later he changed his opinion and said that nothing would change his mind. He maintained this position until his death in March 2004.

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[–] flyingswan 18 years ago

Dunno where you heard that, but it ain't so, no such probe.

[–] flyingswan 18 years ago

Japan has had problems developing its lunar probes. It launched one called Hiten, basically a technology development mission, in 1990. Since then it has been struggling with Lunar-A, which is to perform seismic studies using impact probes, and Selene, which is a major orbital science mission with a high-resolution camera. Currently, Selene is scheduled for launch in 2007 and no date has been set for Lunar-A.

[–] robvickery 17 years ago

I find it very interesting that the TWO shuttles set to go to the moon to take these pictures in 2003 or 2005 which will give final evidence of the moon landing and put the conspiracies to bed either way have both been delayed until this year (2007) due to 'financial restrictions'

Strange or what?

I wonder what the next excuse for the next delay will be...?

[–] willagon 17 years ago

well considering the loose of Columbia, and grounding of the shuttle program for over a year, the budget cuts that nasa is going through, trying to develop the new vehicle called orion, that has to be done in 2012. plus the shuttles are not going to the moon, orion is, when finished and the shuttles are being retired in 2011. long overdue considering how old they are. not to mention nasa is trying to develop new propulsion tech, like ion propulsion. but that budget was just cut from over 400 to 100 million, 99 of which is already spent

but yeah they just don't want to go back

[–] assortedjellybeanz 17 years ago

Do you have any idea how the economy works, robvickery? The actual crafts and technology, as well as the procedure of launching... it's more than expensive. And it doesn't surprise me that the camera's malfunctioned, for obvious reasons.

I think that if any close-up imagery is made in the future, those dumbass conspiracy theorists will consider it fake, so I don't see the point anyway. I don't think the truth will be buried forever but I think it will be buried for a while to come, as the human race has quite a way to go, regarding technology.

There will be a time where it won't be difficult to do the things that we're failing to do today. If NASA faked a moon landing, they must be out of their minds, because someday we will see the surface of the moon again, whether its a few years from now, or perhaps tens, hundreds, or thousands of years from now.

[–] flyingswan 16 years ago

If anyone is at all interested, the much-delayed Japanese mission is now in lunar orbit and about to start its scientific mission.

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[–] lseybold-2 14 years ago

You mean Kaguya/SELENE? That mission ended last year. It was very successful.
http://www.kaguya.jaxa.jp/index_e.htm
It imaged the soil disturbance caused by Apollo 15, by the way.
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/16/japanese-selene-kaguya-lunar-m ission-spots-apollo-15-landing-site-images/

The best close-up images of the Apollo sites are from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter. You can see things like the footpads of the Eagle and astronaut footpaths.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/revisited/index.html
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