Vera turning on her after the rape and using her pious woman wronged to destroy Grace's reputation? Or, Tom her confidante and the self-appointed moral voice of the village?
Their executions seemed the most personal for Grace. In spite of Vera's nastiness, I think Tom was worse. Fear, cowardice and maybe even selfishness seemed to be his motivations/flaws and Grace really trusted him.
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I think you meant to say "who's betrayal...". Who's is the contracted form of "who is". Who is betrayal of Grace was worse?
To answer your question, it's obviously Tom. She trusted him and he acted selfishly and cowardly. The other woman wasn't that close to Grace so it's not that surprising when she takes out her frustration on Grace.
I think you meant to say "who's betrayal...". Who's is the contracted form of "who is". Who is betrayal of Grace was worse?Erm, no. Whose is the correct grammar. In future if you want to put someone down for their grammar make sure yours is correct.
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wasn't putting you down, just showing you where you went wrong. why are you so defensive?
who is grace betrayal of grace was worse? thank about it
No, still you're making no sense. "Whose" is correct, and I must second the original poster - don't try to correct people's grammar unless you know what you're talking about. It really gets on people's tits when they're criticised for something that's not even debatably wrong. And I know this post will probably upset you a bit, and you may feel I am butting into a discussion I have nothing to do with, but that's kind of my point. If you want to "intellectually belittle" someone (by the way - grammar isn't as important as the two of us now make it seem), at least read up on what you're saying, to avoid looking like an idiot. Not that you do look like an idiot, I'm just saying.
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Who knows the difference between who's and whose? Here's a lesson whose time has come.
Who's
Who's is a contraction of who is or, less commonly, who has.
Who's watching TV?
Do you know who's going to speak?
Who's ready to go?
Who's in the kitchen?
Who's this?
Who's already eaten?
Whose
Whose is the possessive of who or, somewhat controversially, which.
Whose book is this?
Do you know whose car this is?
I know a woman whose kids study there.
Whose side are you on?
An idea whose time has come.
The Bottom Line
The trouble here is due to the apostrophe, which on 99% of English words indicates possession, but on this one simply indicates a contraction. If you can replace the word with who is or who has, use who's. If not, use whose.
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So tordsson and the original poster is right about this.
But if you think you are right, you think you are right... right!
My point is, if you have to be 100% sure before you comment(He wasn't putting you down. I just think you have problems taking criticism, especially if you THINK it is false. Many of us does. I personally have a constant struggle :) a mistake(He thought it was a mistake), you will never be able to help others(how can you be 100% sure).
So it doesn't matter if you don't think grammar is important(which it really is if it threatens to distort or destroy the meaning and make misunderstanding which can lead to ignorance and war. Take the Qur'an for example(in this case I know it isn't all that important. As long as the meaning gets through)), it is still important to be able to civilized point out what you think is a mistake(“educating” others and maybe one self as it is in this case), without fear of ridicule/resentment/murder(being put down) from others or decency not to offend others(blasphemy).
I actually think that if you don't point out a mistake you demeans the person. Like when someone don't tell a person he has snot in his beard not to embarrass him(and maybe it's not snot, maybe it is some jewelry, can you always be 100% sure?). Most normal persons will be a little embarrassed but grateful upon the delivery of the information. Even if it was jewelry, but then you will be embarrassed too and they will feel hurt.
Erm no, you're wrong. Whose is right like the OP said.
shareTom's was the worst. He claimed to have loved Grace, she loved him and he was the only friend she had in the town torwards the end, the only one she could talk to and depend on. He was disgusted with how the townspeople were treating Grace but then he went and turned her in when she saw some chinks in his moral armour. So His betrayal was in my opinion the most personal and the worst.
shareUntil Sunflowers' post, this was the most pointless thread in history.. lol like seriously.
And yeah, i agree SUNFLOWER - Tom's betrayal was the most killer one... As he claimed to love her, and she loved him too. No wonder she shot him herself, and I believe if I remember correctly she said "somethings you just have to do yourself". The timing couldn't be more right for that line.
An ancient race... as Charles Bronson put it.
I've changed my mind about the betrayal and think that Vera's was worse. My reasoning for this is based on the way in which Grace has them killed/kills them. The killing of Vera was more vindictive and so personal. Tom's killing by Grace was the action of a person weary with such an irritation as him.
I imagine in Grace's life prior to Dogville she had admirers like Tom but perhaps not friendship such as she thought she could enjoy with Vera and the other female townsfolk.
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Tom's was worse--mainly because he thinks of himself as very moral. Plus, didn't Tom betray Grace repeatedly? He was constantly giving in to the others' baser instincts, and apologizing to Grace in a mealy-mouthed way. He was a weak person who thought of himself as moral, simply because he could discuss morality--but he did nothing requiring a strong moral stance.
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Tom definitely. He could have protected her, he could have watched over her, Stop the men from abusing her. He could have helped her with her chores.
But he was too afraid to go against the townspeople, he was a coward, he was sneaky. opportunistic, selfish.
right....
Tom's betrayal was worse. He thought she would be killed if he turned her over, and he had claimed to love her. Basically, he was a phony in everything (including and especially writing and philosophy).
And "whose" was correct in the title.
If everything you try works, you aren't trying hard enough. ~ Gordon Moore
To answer the 2 questions - "Tom" and "whose."
shareCare to share more on your thoughts about Tom? I think I'm the only one who believes Vera's betrayal was worse.
Re- whose/who's:
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Because she really trusted Tom and he professed his love to her but did nothing to stop the great evil that was being done to her. Also, I thought the "kindly" doctor could have also put a stop to it but did nothing. Vera was a wicked but relatively powerless person.
shareActually, Tom was the only one who had betrayed Grace. The others had certainly mistreated her horribly in various ways, but what they had done did not really count as betrayal. They had just used Grace to their best advantage. As she became more and more vulnerable (when not only the gang but also the police looked for her for alleged bank robbery), they knew they could get more out of her, and she was increasingly degraded.
Tom from the very beginning had never given up the idea of giving Grace to the gangsters - he did not throw away the telephone number. He was the worst because he wanted to be on the moral high ground and tried to appear to be sympathetic to Grace, but in fact used their friendship to make her give in more and more to the others' wishes - like doubling her workload. He did nothing even when she was raped by every grown men in Dogsville, and was upset when she did not want to have sex with him willingly.
At the end, Tom was the one who reported Grace to the gangsters and suggested that she be locked up. He even suggested to the gangsters that perhaps they would give him and the people a reward for their "help"! Then when the people were shot, he changed sides again and applauded what the gangsters did and asked Grace if he could use what he saw in a book. He just turned into a total hypocrite and scoundrel at the end.
Do you think the relationship between Grace and Vera was one of usery on the latter's part? It seemed to me that Vera's warm feelings of friendship were as genuine as Grace's. So if Grace believed that Vera was her friend, as was Tom, then Vera's actions were a betrayal. Plus Grace reserved a punishing death for Vera that replicated Vera's crushing of Grace's figurines.
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