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Hydrogen (Spoilers!!!)


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I know that modern nuclear subs have to deal with hydrogen because they remain submerged most of the time and so use electrolysis to get oxygen from seawater, but I thought WWII era subs just used venting to get their air. Did they really have hydrogen buildups and if so were there every any hydrogen related accidents like the one depicted in the film?

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Lt. Brice's allusion to the Hindenburg disaster was apt. My understanding is that the hydrogen build up was casued by the discharging batteries used to propel and power the boat. I have read that the failure to ventilate did, indeed, doom submariners in the first and second world wars.

Another problem was that if seawater leaked onto the batteries, contact with the batteries could produce chlorine gas. Venting lethal gases and acquiring breathable air was a constant problem for submariners.

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You are correct. Hydrogen is a by product of the batteries and seawater in the battery compartment is exptremely dangerous. One of the last US diesal boats suffered a devastating fire in the 1980s due to a fire caused by a leak into the battery compartment.

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Hydrogen is a byproduct of the CHARGING process, not the DISCHARGING process. There is a ventilation system that is designed to remove this hydrogen.

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I believe the thread starter is mistaking hydrogen for carbondioxide. The large hydrogen build up on board the sub was a byproduct of the electric power cells used to run the sub while submerged (the diesel engine can only be used on the surface.) Nuclear submarines on the other hand don't have this problem, though Russian subs can lead to glowing seamen and seamen growing extra arms and feet.



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Philsom is right; everybody else is wrong. The hydrogen issue was a liberty taken by the writers. The longer you stay down, the more CO2 you get, not the more hydrogen. You get hydrogen while on the surface, because it is only on the surface where this type of submarine could charge its batteries. The release of hydrogen is a byproduct of the charging operation, which is true of any battery that uses a sulfuric acid electrolyte, including the humble and familiar battery under the hood of your car (unless you are British, in which case it is under the bonnet, and unless of course that the car is so small that the battery is in the trunk or boot or under a seat or something -- but I digress). As Philsom noted, this is supposed to be removed through ventilation, just as you advised to employ when charging your car battery.

Moreover, on a nuclear submarine you still get hydrogen, but not because of electrolysis in making oxygen from seawater. First of all, that hydrogen never gets into the boat in the first place because the O2 generating system vents it directly overboard without it ever getting into the atmosphere inside the pressure hull in the first place (unless there is a leak). Second, in my humble experience aboard 1960's-vintage U.S. ballistic missile submarines a submarine's O2 generators never work worth sh*t in the first place and are usually OOC (out-of-commission, for you non-quals) for repairs. Rather, you get hydrogen for the same reason you get it in a diesel boat -- from recharging the ship's battery which is used as the electricity supply when the reactor is scrammed below snorkeling depth, something which is done routinely for all sorts of training events. On nuke boats, however, we also have a catalytic converter system that removes hydrogen from the atmosphere (provided you get it adequately ventilated from the battery well into the general ventilation system of the ship).

Finally, if you have the bad luck to get seawater into the battery well to the extent that it comes in contact withe the sulfuric acid (which is most definitely not ever supposed to happen, but can as a result of battle damage or other damage to the hull), you will get chlorine gas, which is not explosive or flammable but which is highly toxic.

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