Maybe if certain members of the team (Wentzle Ruml in particular... ) hadn't been so keen on 'overstating' their achievements, then I could've enjoyed this still excellent documentary even more; but as it was, the 'arrogance' on display at times spoiled the stunning visuals and interesting narration somewhat... 8/10.
You gave me a glimpse of real life, then told me to carry on with falsity.
Well, you have to admit that what they did was pretty freakin cool. They were a bunch of street punks that most people probably dismissed as "good-for-nothings" who invented a sport, heck an art form even. I think if I did something like that, I would be pretty full of myself too. It's also comes with the territory, if you live on the street, you gotta show that you're the baddest mother around otherwise you will be eatin' alive. I think some of them were just remembering that, after all many of them had not seen Peralta for 20 years, so the boasting is inevitable. It's what guys do.
share... and I know plenty of others who don't, too. I'm not denying their significance, but it would've been nice if THEY weren't so keen on pushing it in my face every 2 seconds, as well... !
The luck is gone, the brain is shot; but the LIQUOR - we still got!
Of all of the people out there that push them selfs I think that z-boys are just about the only ones out there that should be able to do it with out question. Yeah, it gets old at times, but they can be considered to be the godfathers of skating. Think about how big it is today and being able to look back at it all and say I was one of the founders of all of this. Even the most humble man would have a hard time keeping his ego down.
share... Just lay off the 'boasting'...
The luck is gone, the brain is shot; but the LIQUOR - we still got!
Huh?
Invented a sport? If you want to talk about who innovated this sport lets talk about skateboarders like Rodney Mullen.
These duds have nothing on someone like that.
I'm sorry, I missed where your contribution to the sport of skateboarding was. Please refresh my memory of what you contributed when this documentary took place.
... thereby 'contributing' to their already-inflated ego's... Smartarse. When somebody invents a wheelchair/skateboard hybrid, then I'll be sure to get back to you...
"I met the love of my life; I killed her dog before I got to tell her"
Ive already seen videos of a young kid doing freestyle tricks on his wheelchair, i think he even did a backflip..
I didnt get any ego in the movie.. they seemed to be stoked at what THEY did.. but i didnt notice anyone personally boasting anything..
Ive already seen videos of a young kid doing freestyle tricks on his wheelchair, i think he even did a backflip..
you sound like you are just jealous they don't have to use smiley faces to show how they feel.
sharethey don't have to use smiley faces to show how they feel.
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Not so. If you're humble, then you get even more praise, because people don't think that you value yourself as much as you should.
It's made from bits of real panther, so you know it's good...
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Well if it is all about getting praise, I don't see what the big deal is if you praise yourself.
They were portrayed as practically inventing skateboarding or at least bringing it back. There were others that were pioneers in the sport of skateboarding, back in the day. It was like they invented skateboards too! I would be interested in doing some research, Any good websites you can recommend?
I didnt see the movie Lords of Dogtown, will have to wait til dvd is out sept 27 or so. Why did Peralta and Alva hate each other? Was it just teenage rivalry? Are they friends now? What year did these events take place, I know it was the 70's. its been a while since I have seen this movie, don't own the dvd yet,
thanks in advance for any help
I sort of agree, but it didn't bother me when I watched it.
Here's quote from the Guardian review: "Co-writer and director Stacy Peralta makes the most of a limited supply of celluloid footage, home movies, video and stills, and interviews the now middle-aged pioneers, who are still dazed at the thought of how totally cool they were."
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More feeling!
Cheers for the info from another source... !
When I look up from my pillow I dream that you're there with me...
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Would you have preferred a bunch of guys apologizing for all that "sillyness" in the 70's? Hell no! If you can look at Tony Alva carving a pool like butter in a fadora and knee high socks and not think he was coolest mother on the planet then you are either extremely jealous or have no style. For all you haters, try watching the movie "The rise and fall of Gator" to see skating in the horrible tacky 80's, now that's something to be embarassed about.
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"Surrender Dorothy!"
I think "arrogance" was an important part of their style and important to become who they are. Sure arrogance is considered a bad thing most of the time, but in the long run arrogance gets things down as opposed to humbleness.
Sport and style is more attractive arrogant.
Sing the slinky jingle for me.
Sure arrogance is considered a bad thing most of the time, but in the long run arrogance gets things done as opposed to humbleness.
Sport and style is more attractive arrogant.
fair enough
I just saw Bridge to Terabithia, and I simply can't talk about it.
Wentzle Ruml was simply eccentric in his descriptions, not egotistical. Alva was egotistical but that's a given. Jay Adams was quite nostalgically sad and Stacy Peralta completely humble.
I didn't yearn for any more humility at all. I really found a nice mix between all of their personalities, especially some of the other guys of whom I thought, 'you were a Z-boy?!!'
Wentzle Ruml was simply eccentric in his descriptions, not egotistical. Alva was egotistical but that's a given. Jay Adams was quite nostalgically sad and Stacy Peralta completely humble.
Accused here of being a 12YO or an 8YO, as if either of those were bad things!
I don't mind when people are boastful if they've earned it. These guys have.
And keep in mind, they probably spent a lot more time being interviewed than what actually made it into the film, so you can't discount the possibility that it was the editing that may have made the "non-humble" guys look sort of arrogant. Hell, Wentzel(?) might have been the most humble guy they had, but they just selected a couple of his comments that sounded more cocky.
And really, how much fun or how interesting would it have been to watch a bunch of guys in their 50s sitting around saying, "Uh, I don't know....I guess we had fun, doing the skating. [shrugs] it was okay, I suppose."
The only thing that bothered me about Ruml (and I hate it when anyone does this, regardless of context) was when he talked about what a "tough" place it was where they grew up. I've had just about enough of hearing people say that they grew up in a neighborhood where you learned to fight or you got killed, or you had to have eyes in the back of your head, or no one made it outta those mean streets without doin a whole lotta ass-kickin. Give me a break. If everyone who talked like that was giving an accurate picture of their childhood, 90% of America would look like Manhattan in Escape From New York.
I never met anyone growing up who reminded me of Romero....
The Colonel's dead; here we are, still enjoying his chicken.
And keep in mind, they probably spent a lot more time being interviewed than what actually made it into the film, so you can't discount the possibility that it was the editing that may have made the "non-humble" guys look sort of arrogant. Hell, Wentzel(?) might have been the most humble guy they had, but they just selected a couple of his comments that sounded more cocky.
This thread is kind of old, but I'll put in my 2 cents anyway.
Howlin' Wolf, I can see your point and where you're coming from...but the "arrogance" didn't necessarily bother me. I mean, these guys were the epitome of cool. I think it kind of goes with the territory that they come off that way. They grew up as these punks who gave the middle finger to authority..I think that if I watched the documentary and saw a bunch of abashed middle-aged guys just shootin' the sh_t and downplaying their greatness, I'd feel a little let down.
Fair enough... All opinions welcome; thanks for contributing!
It's made from bits of real panther, so you know it's good...
Whenever someone is the very first to develope a certain style an incredible feeling of accomplishment comes with the territory. It's difficult to handle and contain at the same time.
This can be compounded by something that breaks into a phenom like skateboarding, the x-games, etc. These guys were ground breakers in a sport that has become enormous. As you can see in the film many of them were never appropriately recognized for their achievements. It's no small wonder they seem to have a chip on their shoulder.
Hopefully this film can stand as a legacy to mark their spectacular achievements.
I think you have actually be in this type of situation to fully understand it.
As you can see in the film many of them were never appropriately recognized for their achievements. It's no small wonder they seem to have a chip on their shoulder.