I think Goren got fat and grey, started seeing a psychiatrist, and then lost his mind. Eames, Deakins and Ross left.
Those are the main reasons I think the show became less interesting.
I don't know the behind the scenes reasons but maybe these reasons are why the show went down in ratings and was eventually cancelled.
What do you think?
I only watched this show because of Vincent D'Onofrio. I don't know if he was tired of doing TV or if he was "difficult to work with." Damn shame.
I like the Logan/Valucci partnership but they don't live up to Goren & Eames. And I always disliked Eames! It was all about Goren for me.
Supposedly, the reason ratings fell was because Criminal Intent was getting a lot of competition from CSI.
shareby renatom1Thats not it, since it was a rip off of CSI and even admitted that by zinging itself in the VERY first episode
Supposedly, the reason ratings fell was because Criminal Intent was getting a lot of competition from CSI.
And I always disliked Eames! It was all about Goren for me.
How did Goren lose his mind? What behaviors did he start to exhibit?
shareI liked Logan/Valucci also. But they were before Goren came back and eventually got fat and grey, starting seeing a psychiatrist and then eventually lost his mind. And then Eames, Deakins and Ross left.
Good answer. It explains everything.
share. . . but Warren Leight ruined it by decreasing the crime aspect and inserting moronic personal melodrama for Goren and Logan.
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I think SVU is the exception to the rule. SVU is the Law & Order aimed at women. Women traditionally like back story melodrama. So, the soap opera style of SVU appealed to them. But, as a man, I never liked SVU.
I think SVU is the exception to the rule. SVU is the Law & Order aimed at women. Women traditionally like back story melodrama. So, the soap opera style of SVU appealed to them. But, as a man, I never liked SVU.
I don't know what the hell where you watching, but the name of Alcia Witt's character is Nola FALACCI (not "valucci", for god's sake!). And I liked her, she did a nice job o her short stint.
I have to agree with another poster, I never liked Julianne Nicholson's character (Wheeler). At all. Maybe I don't like the actress, I don't know. Barek was a lot more interesting, too bad she lasted one season only.
The best, of course were Goren/Eams. The first seasons, with Carver and Deakins.
I also liked Logan, although he was a completely different kind of cop. No one even came close to Goren's genius!
My reply was to the previous poster and the discussion was about Law & Order SVU, not CI. Try to read through complete threads before going off on a tirade, ok?
"I was cured all right!"
Yep, this is why I threw in the towel on SVU when Meloni left...I knew the show was going to wallow too much in the personal life of Hargitay's character. It had already started down that path before CM left, but at least the personal crap was more balanced between the two partners. Didn't Olivia actually have a baby, too? That's when I said, nope, no more of this for me.
Well, Meloni's character being angry most of the time and seeming to want to beat everybody up...that's one of the things I liked about SVU. He really, REALLY hated the sexual perverts that he encountered on the job and probably would have been happy shooting most of them on the spot, but a little thing called the Law prevented him from doing so.
But hey, I'm not arguing that SVU was any kind of "great" show or anything--it's certainly not. I just seemed to have become a viewer of it because I think it aired on a night when there was nothing else on TV I wanted to see at that time probably, so I got into the habit of watching it.
Speaking of NYPD Blue and the Sipowicz character, that is an example of some good TV, because his character definitely went through some changes (growth, I guess it's called), and he was a much different character by the time the series ended from how he was in the beginning (although I much preferred the "unprofessional" Sipowicz over the responsible Sipowicz from the finish...and from what I've read about the NYPD and its past, he wasn't an unbelievable character in the least!).
"I was cured all right!"
I love Law & Order the original. And yes, NYPD Blue is a good program. But the other detectives on Law & Order (the original) and on NYPD Blue were affected emotionally by the criminals and the cases they were assigned. But they continued to be professional and objective. And as a result, they were more effective as detectives and happier and healthier as people. Elliott and Andy (Sipowicz) often jeopardized the cases they were working on and in reality would have suffered medical problems due to the constant anger, rage, stress and anxiety.
It was just plain stupid. If one is a criminal detective, what does one expect to be exposed to --- saints and angels? Of course they are going to be dealing with a constant stream of bad characters and heinous acts. That is their job. After all the years Stabler and Sipowicz had spent on the job, it is not logical that they would always react with anger based on naivete and shock. They had seen it all before. They should have known what they were dealing with.
I love Law & Order (the original). And NYPD Blue is a good program. And we both seem to not like SVU. But, I personally find it unrealistic and illogical that a seasoned detective would not treat crime and criminals professionally. And as a viewer, characters like Stabler and Sipowicz are a turnoff. They make me not like the programs as much.
Last but not least, I am watching reruns of NYPD Blue on Heros and Icons. It is good but it is often very melodramatic. Unlike the original Law & Order. Which is why I still think Law & Order was the best police/lawyer procedural ever on TV.
I think Goren got fat and grey, started seeing a psychiatrist, and then lost his mind.The fat and gray part I could deal with. The loss of his mind ruined him. share
The fat and gray part I could deal with. The loss of his mind ruined him.
Exactly, once the original line up were all gone the show was a lost cause Goren and Eames were CI there dynamic was the heart and soul of the show along with Carver and Deakins. None of the replacements ever came close to the genius that was Robert Goren and that is all down to Vincent and his brilliant portrayal of the character. I barely watched CI after he left not even Jeff Goldblum who I actually happen to really like could hold my interest.
shareWhat did you think about Ross replacing Deakins?
I liked them both, although Ross had such weird mannerisms that it became more funny than dramatic to watch the Ross behavior.
I really didn't miss Carver after he left- but any court appearances were pretty much over at that point.
"what's this? A doorknob? Good show!" -- the easily impressed Dr. Bartley
Never cared for Ross, he was condescending and rude. The show was the best with Deakins and Carver, and a big part of that was because Rene Balcer ran the show for the first 5 years and when he left the show tanked and became a soap opera.
shareIt seemed like Carver always said "we simply do not have a case" ...... And then 15 min later, presto, he's less peeved and fully on board based on whatever just happened.
He was doing something similar nearly each time he was in it, and the quiet voice said the same lines much of the time.
"what's this? A doorknob? Good show!" -- the easily impressed Dr. Bartley
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I LOVED SVU until Meloni/Stabler left. It just wasn't the same! I honestly gave it a full season(for a real chance), but it just proved that without Stabler/Meloni.....it didn't have the same zeel. The show went on & was great while Hargitay was on maternity leave, but proved it didn't fare well without Meloni!!
I think the producers made Goren leave because he was into drugs really bad. That's what the other detectives came in. The producers hoped by doing this, it would take some of the pressure off of D'onferio. (Sp?)
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Seriously!!?? Get a life! No reason to attack someone you don't know on a message board, just because they don't share your opinions! Also, who's drooling? I just said that I liked a certain actor/ character.
BTW...I have a family member who worked on that series for the first 8yrs! I do know what I'm talking about!
Maybe you should growup & starting treating folks with some kindness, instead of being a schoolyard BULLY!!
Have a nice day!
When Eames left and was replaced by Saffron Borrows and Alicia Witt's characters. Ugh, Witt's baby voice was annoying as hell, she sounded a lot younger than she did in Urban Legend.
But it was great to see Eames as an anti-terrorist agent on L&O:SVU
I shall call him Squishy and he shall be mine and he shall be my Squishy.
Eames was still on on those episodes. They just alternated Goren/Eames episodes with the Logan and his partner episodes. The one I never cared for was Wheeler, she was incredibly wooden and added nothing, she was basically a cardboard cutout.
shareI actually like the late NBC/Early USA shows quite well; mainly due to Logan. Bringing him onboard was wonderful to do because I never really cared for Goren much. I can handle him now but he's still meh. Vinnie was the best person for that role though; he nailed it.
Logan added some personality and heart to the show that it missed before him. His one fault was he never had a solid partner like Eanes. He came awfully close with Falacci who should have stayed as his partner but Whitt was only there for that little bit. Some little tinkering to her character to make her a badass and she'd been fine. Instead we got Barek and Wheeler and they were meh at best; Wheeler was okay but neither were as good as Nola.
If I had to pick the start of the downturn it would have been when Noth decided to go at the end of year 7. The heart of the show left and it never really felt right. Noth coming in started the era of two pairs and sadly they had to replace him. Goldblum in hindsight was a great pick and choice but he just never fit in well with the show. IDK what the problem was but he never felt right. He also had weird cases to deal with too. None were as compelling as Goren's or Logan's; that last year especially he had some weirdos to deal with. That whole lame flashback/mystery episode was the worst; as well as the DNA expert who forced himself on that girl then killed her; ugh..
Also Bogosian left and Mastrantonio came in and to call her mesmerizing is a description she would never come close to. Year 9 killed the show.
Year 10 was much better and did better in the ratings but USA wanted to ax it it never had a chance. If they had kept Noth or just went back to Goren and Eames it could have stayed on for a little while longer.
I agree with most of what you said. Bringing Logan on was a great idea, and Falacci was by far his best partner, I really wish she could've stayed on. Wheeler was very bland and Barek was as well.
The departure of Rene Balcer as showrunner really hurt the show though, as the following seasons had a lot of personal garbage which never happened under Balcer.
Season 9 was the worst, they were out of ideas it seemed and Palimpsest was probably the worst episode ever in the history of CI.
Season 10 was good but they had already decided to axe the show.
Goren and Eames not featured.
Same ancillary characters, ADA, Capn etc.
No court procedure.