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Does everyone just pray for it to be a Goren episode or is it just me


Any thoughts

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Those are the only episodes I watch!

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Mostly in agreement. I like Logan with Barek; I can tolerate Wheeler; and everyone else gets the heave-ho.

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Agreed.

Noth was really good, but to me, D'Onofrio *IS* LOCI.

What I *didn't* like at all (hated, in fact), was when they tried transforming him from mildly Aspbergered-out but Keeper Of Arcane Knowledge, into someone who was borderline schizophrenic (crazy mother, bum brother, etc.) and just barely hanging on to sanity/reality. I wish those writers a horrible painful lingering death for doing that. Like, seriously, DIAF, you twits.

LOCI without D'Onofrio is Nightwish without Tarja, Sabbath without Ozzy, Van Halen without Roth. Sorry, it's just another (different, inferior) show that happens to go by the same name.

Goren/Eames was Da Bomb.

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I so agree with you. It makes me weep when I think of what the writers did with the Goren character in the later episodes.

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What happened to him? I just started watching the show, and love Goren. He is so intuitive, and reminds me a little of Brenda in The Closer, that is, able to find out things about a perp that no one else can.

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I agree, too. That transformation was disturbing.

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Me!

(I haven't actually watched the show for a long time now, but when I did I would cross my fingers hoping for a Goren episode, and I ended up skipping any that weren't. I TRIED watching the 'other' people at first, but I just couldn't get into them at all.)


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Every episode is "The Goran Show"

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Just you.



So: a realistic, down to earth show..which is completely off the wall swarming with magic robots?!

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Yes, if it's not Goren's, I usually take a pass, which means I have a lot of Chris Noth episodes I have never seen--and may watch one day.

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The Noth ones are fantastic. He's a great actor. While his partners are inconsistent and have many quirks, you really should see those Noth episodes.

I haven't seen any Goldblum ones yet.


So: a realistic, down to earth show..which is completely off the wall swarming with magic robots?!

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The Noth ones are good too, especially the ones where Jamey Sheridan is still their captain.

I do, however, find that the Goren episodes tend to dabble a little bit more into the psychology of the villains than the other ones do.

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Good point about Jamie Sheridan. I take it you don't care for Eric Bosganian (sp) as much?
He's ok but doesn't seem to have the range for that role. You can almost predict his facial expressions and mannerisms.


So: a realistic, down to earth show..which is completely off the wall swarming with magic robots?!

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I do tend to skip any episode that isn't Goren and Eames. They're just better episodes than the others. Like one of the other posts say they do tend to delve into the psychological side of the cases alot more and I like that. Makes it more interesting.

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Eric Bogosian's character was always a little bit too argumentative and quick to confront his detectives. Jamey Sheridan's character, however, always had their backs.

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Yeah, let me amend my statement above:

Goren/Eames/Deakins is Da Bomb.

I like Bogosian, but his character was a sort of LOCI version of Castillo (EJO) from "Miami Vice". Kinda cardboard cut-out. Not a criticism of EB, but the character as-written.

And I always liked Vance from "The Hunt For Red October" right up to his early years in LOCI, but again, the writers made his character a real $#|+, totally despicable. So protective/defensive of his cronies that Goren had to "pull a fast one" on him to nail the badguy setting up his wife ("Detective, if you ever pull an end-run on me like that again... I'll have your badge."), to promising the wife of a Bernie Madoff wannabe immunity, only to yank it away and threaten to jail her unless she "cooperated".

Amazing just how badly writers can screw up a winning series... and great characters.

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I've never been a fan of Noth's character, but I do like Goldblum's. He has kind of a Goren meets Monk thing going on.


So it goes.

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No one holds a candle to D'Onofrio, but Goldblum is quirky in his own way. I enjoy watching them both as they're such interesting character actors.

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I'll watch until the opening credits. If it's a Goren/Eames episode, I'll stay. I don't mind Nichols, either. Logan? "No th"anks. He should have returned to L&O.

Casting Jay O. Sanders as their last boss never made sense to me, either.

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I thought Jay O. Sanders was terrible in this. You could tell he was phoning in his performance.

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Why on earth would you say "he should have returned to L&O " ??
They already had people in place, and longevity in certain cases. It wouldn't have made much sense to have him go back to the original series.
The Noth ones are fantastic. He's a great actor. If you think he should have returned to L&O, then you must think he can act.
Also he brings a great dynamic to criminal intent.
The Goren ones get too predictable and stale after a while. Same with Eames performance.



So: a realistic, down to earth show..which is completely off the wall swarming with magic robots?!

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I liked Noth's character because he resembled an actual cop. Goren, on the other hand, was more of a criminologist, an intellectual type like Dr. Huang in SVU. I think the best thing would have been to add Logan and a partner to Goren and Eames, so they could be a foursome, just like you saw on SVU with Stabler, Benson, Finn and Munch. That would have been a lot more interesting and realistic too.

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Wouldn't have been a possibility. The whole reason the second team was brought in was because Vincent D'Onofrio had health issues and couldn't handle a full season anymore.


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i looooooove goren and eames. i love the characters. i love the actors. even more than benson and stabler, and i'll have chris meloni's babies. but i love law and order criminal intent, so i'll watch every episode. i mostly skip the season premiere, or finale, whatever it was where eric bogosian's character is killed

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I adore the whole series; then again, I've always been a huge Noth/Logan fan from the entire L&O franchise. It took me a couple episodes to warm up to Goldblum's Nichols, but now I really enjoy his work. The only one I didn't like so much was Saffron Burrows, whose acting I've always found rather stiff. Jay O. Sanders was also a bit on the stiff side, as well. He had been brilliant as a hit man on CI years before.

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I liked Nichols as a sort of watered-down Goren.

The ep with JOS as the hitman was awesome, yep!

Don't recall many eps where he was the CO, so couldn't say.

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Sanders became the CO for the final eight Goren/Eames episodes (Season 10). It's easy to overlook his episodes.

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I loved Goren & Eames and was okay with everybody else, except Saffron Burrows. Can hardly think of a worse character on a tv drama that I've watched. She seemed completely fake to me -- more like a robot than a real person.

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Great description of Burrows in everything she's ever done, geriarmstrong!

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Not just you....love Goren and Eames. Goren is Columbo for the 21st century. D'Onofrio is fantastic.

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