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Question about the ending (SPOILERS)


In the end Eli gets stabbed. How did the aggressor know he had Jilli’s “toy” in his pocket? Did I miss something?
And why did he get stabbed in public?

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Did he get stabbed??? I thought maybe his assailant stuck him with a needle of something lethal. Surely if he had been stabbed severely enough to die he would have had more of a reaction than, "Hey, that hurt."

Sure, I saw the blood on the carpet... to me that made it even more muddled. I thought the film was a +3 and the way the ending was done a -3.

Also, he seemed to keep forgetting he was supposed to be from Georgia. Of course that's true with every Hollywood Southern character.... from one scene to the next you can't tell if the character is supposed to be from Birmingham Alabama or Birmingham Michigan.

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A small, ice pick type instrument can be used to puncture the kidney or the liver and kill the victim. It usually doesn't cause as much pain(such as you saw), doesn't involve alot of bleeding, and doesn't kill immmediately.

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Pacino's character was stabbed with some small knife of some sort, plus he was so drugged up that he barely noticed it.. at first i thought he was injected with something but then i heard the commentary stating that his character was stabbed in a place where it would literally take a few hours to bleed to death.

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Maybe a stiletto.

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I think they didn't killed him beacause of the toy, they did it just in case.... and besides, "he knew too much"

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If you listen closely during the scene where Eli is talking to Eliot in the board room. They question him as to wether or not he recieved a package intended for Cary. In response to that he makes allusions to having the device himself and that he wont give it to anyone. After knowing that crucial fact, it is not an incredible leap to come to the conclusion that someone in that meeting had him killed.

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He could have been killed before the benefit. But he wasn't. The benefit followed his meeting with Cary in the office where he told Cary he knew things about Cary and could talk. Then at the benefit, he told Cary straight out that he had the tape and wasn't planning to turn it over to anyone. Cary told no one that we know of what Eli had said to him that night. But then Eli ended up dead. Appears to have been one of someone Cary sent, not necessarily Elliot's people....BUT I felt asleep the last 5 minutes and maybe the killer was recognizable as one of Elliot's thugs! Could anyone tell me? Thanks.

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The killer was deliberately not clearly seen. He looked like the same guy that offed Jilli, alwso only half seen through the half open door and in the mirror.
I agree it was probably intended to suggest an ice pick into the lower back and with Eli's permanent state of OD I'm sure it was "Hey! that hurt!"

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I don't really get any of it. Why was that girl killed at the beggining? If he just wanted her dead, then why did he also rape her? Al Pacino was actually in her room the night she died, but the movie alludes to her having an affair with that other guy. Huh? If Robert Kliein is Al Pacinos doctor, then why in the hell is he also involved in some sort of business meeting with like 8 other guys talking about the PDA with the video on it? Was Ryan whats' his name and Al Pacino both having an affair with the dead acctress? In the end, Al Pacino is reading the papers and the pictures and video from the PDA of the dead acctress were in them. So why was it still neccessary to kill AL Pacino? Why was Robert Klein such a creepy, manipulative doctor, allways giving Al pacino all those drugs?

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I thought the killer was the same guy who killed Tea Leoni.

To the poster above, I don't get any of it either. The movie made no sense to me. I did not get the point of needing to tell this "story", nothing comes out of it in the end, so what was the point? It seemed like a bad corruption movie without the reasoning behind the point of this little group. Who were they, why should I care, is it based off of real life people, was there a point or was it a conspiracy maybe NYC is run by corrupt business men thing?

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I agree with your comment there, Mirabelle - why did this movie get made? It never gripped, I didn't really give a stuff about any of the characters, and the so-near-yet-so-far-from-salvation ending was as obvious as 1,2,3. Nasty bit of assault/rape/murder of Tea Leoni's character, but rather than being a plot turning point that gives the story an urgent momentum, the film quickly slipped back into the self-absorbed torpor of Eli meandering around NY inbetween naps and barbiturate sandwiches, with less drama than Ryan O'Neal's teeth.

It seemed like a low budget Bonfire of the Vanities, with less humour or satire. If it was an A-list benefit, how come it more resembled a 60th birthday party held in the cleaners' cupboard?

Tell a lie, I did give a stuff about some of the characters: Al's turn really annoyed me, with the actorly southern accent and contractually obliged pasionate speech bit (though done in a church this time, rather than his preferred venue of a court room).

1.5 out of 10, v disappointing with such a good cast too.

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"The movie made no sense to me. I did not get the point of needing to tell this "story", nothing comes out of it in the end, so what was the point? It seemed like a bad corruption movie without the reasoning behind the point of this little group. Who were they, why should I care, is it based off of real life people, was there a point or was it a conspiracy maybe NYC is run by corrupt business men thing?"

This movie has a very specific and highly controversial message, but its very subtley presented, and its not one the contemporary viewing public would readily expect (or accept), so consequently, most American viewers do miss the meaning (I'm not trying to sound high falutin' here; I didn't fully understand the film until after viewing it twice, and discussing it with some friends of mine). Anyhoo, if you want to know the true meaning of this movie (if I were to openly state the premise of this film, my post would quite possible be deleted by the IMDB moderators), there is a hint at the very end of the film that totally gives it away, albeit it requires a bit more knowledge of American history than the average person has. In any event, as the Al Pacino character is shown dead in his living room, his television is showing an episode of "This Old House." I don't remember the exact, word-for-word text of what the narrator of that PBS how says, but it goes an awful lot like this: "What a grand and magnificent structure this once was, first built in the late 1700s. Sadly, the rot began to set in during the 1930s."

That hint is probably a little too vague for most people, but I'm afraid its the best I can do. Let's just say that despite whatever dramatic flaws this film may have, the fact it was ever made at all is truly amazing. Its one of the most important films of the last twenty years, maybe of all time.

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Good attempt at making it seem like you know something you really don't. I really like the...

"if I were to openly state the premise of this film, my post would quite possible be deleted by the IMDB moderators"

That was a nice added touch.

Is it a delusion of grandeur, or just plain paranoia?



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SPOILERS BELOW

In the movie version, it appears as if Ryan O'Neal's character is murdering Tea Leoni's. I had so many unanswered questions regarding this film that I decided to watch the deleted scenes. I found out in fact, that it is not Cary who kills her-it is a much younger man who resembles Ryan O'Neal. And he says after he has his way with her dead body, "Now I can say I f@@ked Jilli Hopper."

Al's character is not having an affair with Jilli. She comes on to him, but he rebuffs her.

Eli is killed simply because he knows too much. After Cary tells him he wants to run for Senate and fires Eli, Eli responds by blabbing about what he's seen, and the fact that he's kept all of his secrets for 30 years. He's stabbed, but his pocket is simultaneously picked, as the man puts the toy in his pocket as he's striding away from Eli. The doctor, Elliot, and Cary all could be implicated in a huge by the photos on the toy.

That said, I maintain that the doctor was involved in his murder simply because of where Eli was stabbed or injected-it was his kidney.

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You can clearly see if you zoom in on the DVD that the man who stabs him puts a long and slender object into the back of his jeans -- nothing goes into a pocket, and it would be quite difficult to stab AND swipe the toy at the same time. My guess is, he didn't have the video anymore. They let him go with the toy earlier in the film, but probably not with the video. Makes sense to me.

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I think its realy clear that it is Elliot Sharansky who is the man behinde the murders on Jill and Eli.
You get a hint in the end when Eli speak with Ryan O´Neals characters there O´neal said he must give them the toy and then laing a hand on elliot´s shoulder and look at Pacino and Pacino runing to the toilet and throwing up.

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I am baffled by people who say things like "nothing came of this movie" or "why did this film get made"? Or worse yet "a 1.5 out of 10" (come on).

The film is pretty clear in what it's saying - this idealistic character who once thrived in a world of hope and possibility is killed in this new world of greed and moral descent. He's disposable.

It's the theme of movies as different as "Chinatown" and "No Country For Old Men". How could this film have made that point more clearly? What's so hard to get if you're really watching and listening?

As I've said in other threads, it's a pretty good character study, and a not so good thriller. But the film as an examination of the Eli character has alot of things going for it - and Pacino's performance holds it together.

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I agree completely with you pacinoyes. This movie was very good and I actually thought it was directed very well. The movie wasn't about knowing who was behind the acts on the tape, nor was it about what Cary or Elliot involvment was either. To mean it hit pretty hard to reality. Eli lives everyday and surrounds himself with all these people who he thinks "he Knows". This movie was about a character study of only Eli and how he thought he had relationships with people and really knew them on a personal level. This movie makes you realize that people you do business with and call your friends, could be invovled in swinging, prostition, drugs, lies, corruption, and (the biggest one) have you killed for KNOWING to much.

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OK, one more hint about what this film is REALLY all about: Think about what the PBS narrator said in the final scene ie., "a grand, magnificent structure built in the late 1700s, unfortunately the rot began to set in during the 1930s." The house is a symbol for the USA ("built in the late 1700s"). But "the rot began to set in during the 1930s." Franklin Delano Roosevelt was President of the USA from 1933-1945. And he brought a lot of a certain sort of people into the government, and otherwise paved their way to play a major role in post-War era of American development. People like Henry Morgenthau, for example. Previously, these people had been marginalized and alienated. But after the late 1930s, our nation would never again be without their massively influential presence at all levels of our public affairs. And ever since their advent during Roosevelt's second term, America has been in a state of perpetual decline, at all levels other than the material one (and that now too, today).


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"I think its realy clear that it is Elliot Sharansky who is the man behinde the murders on Jill and Eli."

Yes, extremely.

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