Where is everyone?


Awfully quiet around here.

I hope that there are many great changes in everyone's life. :)

Almost forgot:

For those interested, it seems that Atom Egoyan is soon to direct "Adoration."

http://indie.cinematical.com/2007/07/17/atom-egoyan-will-start-shooting-new-film-adoration-this-septem/

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One of these days I'll write to admins and ask them to change the board's name to "Turk-Haters Anonymous".
I sleep very well knowing that I'm not one of those people (a Turk-hater).

Now, if you request a change for "Denier-Haters," I'd gladly put myself on that list. There is a clear difference (even if you don't see it) between my stand (at least) against deniers of a historical fact (The Armenian Genocide) and my views on Turkey (many Turks, of all walks of life, accept the historical factualness of the genocide, just as many others don't). Don't be so quick to call everyone "Turk-hater." Yelling "Fire!" (so to speak), when there isn't any fire, progressively diminishes your credibility. You don't know me. I haven't posted a word of hate against Turks, but I have posted strong words against deniers and will continue to do so (whether it is against deniers of the Armenian Genocide, the Holocaust, Darfur, and so on). It's a weakness to assume that someone hates you for stating the obvious against the actions of your ancestors (in this case, as such).

No one is accusing the ancestors of the Turkish people of committing genocide because they hate Turks (in the general sense). They're accusing the ancestors of the Turkish people of having committed genocide because the fact is that the ancestors of the Turkish people, under the auspices of the Ottoman leadership, committed genocide against the Armenians. The accusation isn't against present-day Turkey, but its predecessor state (The Ottoman Empire).

I'm terribly glad that such a vehemently hateful denier like Murad Gumen ("Holdwater") has been unmasked, and done so by a righteous Turk. Can you believe it, a Turk exposed the source of the hate? That is monumental, which you may not recognize at this time. But in time, if you have a conscience, you'll sense the significance of it.

To me, it seems that the more educated a person, the more likely the person is to recognize the obvious (The Armenian Genocide). Reportedly, Professor Akcam is an intellect amongst intellectuals, so it makes sense that he would recognize the genocide for what it truly is. I hope that, someday, you do the same as well for the betterment of both the Turkish and Armenian people.

As for your question: No, I am not feeling lonely. I was merely wondering and hoping that all was well with everyone.

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That was one unfortunate statement if I ever saw one.
I made it clear that my point was in the general sense. Certainly, there are Turk-haters among the bunch. I don't disagree with you on that. But you cannot say that everyone is a Turk-hater.

Perhaps, to be fair, I should speak on a personal level: I'm certain that my niece and, therefore, my extended family (of Armenians) are not Turk-haters. This, I know for sure. My point is: accepting the genocide thesis as a fact of history does not make one a Turk-hater. Accusing the Janjaweed (Black Arabs) of having committed genocide in the Sudan does not make one an Arab-hater. Accusing the Nazis of having committed genocide does not make one an Austrian-hater or German-hater, or Italian-hater, and so on. If I accuse the father of murder, the accusation doesn't include the son.

Tell any of these retards that Turks killed ten billion Elves last weekend, they'll buy it right away.
You're overreaching it a bit here, but I suppose that I understand.

Do you truly believe any of these have the slightest bit of respect for the truth? Oh, wait... They recognize the genocide! Yay! - that makes them good guys! Right?
I don't know whether or not they do. I don't know them well enough, outside of this board.

Recognizing the genocide does not make one a good person. One's character does not dictate the validity of the facts.

BTW, you don't believe that I associate with anyone from this board, do you? Where would you get the idea that I get along fine with Turk-haters? I don't second their opinions and I don't fuel the fire. So, what would give you that idea? I'm just curious.

Your world consists of deniers and believers only. Black and white. No f ucking shades of gray.
There cannot be any shades of gray when a genocide was carried out from a planned campaign. The genocide wasn't the result of a war. It was a deliberate act, and no one is blaming you for that act. You are solely blamed for its denial, for not recognizing the fact that your ancestors (from the leadership) orchestrated and executed the act.

Now, if you're referring to the resistance in your "shades of gray," according to non-Turkish literature (again, as the majority of historians agree on this), those acts were committed after the fact (after the genocide campaign began, as people did not want to become "sheep to the slaughter").

Now, my English is not perfect but I'm pretty much sure that sentence meant that I knew you a little bit.
Don't kid yourself. This is what is troubling to me about a person like yourself. You seem to be educated, yet you deny the obviousness of the genocide. You're either misinformed (due to Turkish propaganda against the genocide, which has been refuted by the vast majority of historians) or you're cunning (that is to say, you're aware and clearly recognize the facts of the genocide; but due to the grave consequences of genocide recognition and the enormous burden that it would present to the present-day Turkish people, all of whom had no hand in the perpetration of the genocide, you'd rather deny the obvious and appear foolish to the world, as opposed to being a man, or nation of people, of good conscience). Which is it? (rhetorical)

Vita es Morte
So, this is how we know of each other? You are Vita?

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Ronin:

What is your opinion of Akcam? You do see that his intention, firstly, is to reconcile the Turkish people with their Ottoman history (its treatment of minorities), don't you?

What do your Turkish friends and family have to say about your position of recognition of the Armenian Genocide? I can understand if you choose not to answer this question. :)

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You are in right brother from Armenia.Serbia is with you.
By the way Serbs showed the way to treat those genocidal murderers.
Keep on deleting my post Mustafa but you cant stop me to talk about your genocide.We can forgive but we cant forget.

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Im very pleased to help you so you can happily crowle back to your hole.

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Sure and the name of the package is "Otoman history"

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Genghis? Is that you?

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VIVA ARMENIA

I'm not Genghis

God bless you Tigran

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Why, what did I do?

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For 500 hundred years Turks were killing Serbs, raping their women and taking children from the parents so what do you expect Mustafa,that we love you maybe or what.We showed you in Bosnia our atitude,Comprende?Once more you come here as an invaders you will not be existing any more.

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FREE NAGORNO KARABAH.FREE FOREVER
GOD BLESS YOU ARMENIAN BROTHERS>SERBIA LOVES YOU ALL.

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