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There were deaths on Shackleton's expedition


As tremendous as this story is, all the films and doco's on this expedition ignore the tragedy that befell the men who Shackleton sent to prepare the supply drops that he was to need for the cross Antarctic trek. These people set off from the opposite side of the continent and suffered terribly in their attempts to have the supplies ready for Shackleton's team.

For a detailed and disturbing account read "Shackleton's Forgotten Men: The Untold Tale of an Antarctic Tragedy" by Lennard Bicke.

I think it is a disgrace that these men and their heroic work is ignored by historians (and seemingly by Shackleton as-well) just so that Shackleton's expedition can be made to seem a more amazing tale of survival because of no loss of life.

The silly thing is that his super human efforts to save his men are not diminished at all by what happened to the rest of his expedition. In my eyes though it does diminish Shackleton and the films that deal with his expedition when these brave men are ignored, their heroism forgotten and their story not told alongside that of the Endurance.


"Everything is safe till it goes wrong" - Joe Simpson, "Touching the Void" - book only.

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I've read Bickel's account and it's good and authoritative. It fills the gap that you noted about the other half of his overall expedition to cross the continent first. Historians have known about it of course because it was no big secret but it obviously was lost in all the publicity over Shackleton's own party and its miraculous survival (shipwrecked, marooned, 800 miles from South Georgia Island with two small lifeboats). Shackleton was also world-famous and a national hero in the U.K. so naturally more attention was directed at him. Unfortunately the "forgotten" party lacked the leadership of someone of Shackleton's caliber- they were poorly led. This doesn't lessen the courageous and amazing accomplishments of the party in caching supplies needed by Shackleton on the second half of his continental crossing. What is really lost in all the hoopla over the Shackleton party survival is the fact that in all probability Shack and his trans-Antarctic team would have died attempting to complete this endeavor (which wasn't successfully completed until many decades later with sno-cats I believe). The British polar expeditions were historically not nearly as well-equipped, not trained to use skis- instead man-hauling supplies on sledges, and frankly were out-executed by the Norwegians. That the British got as far as they did to the South Pole (Shackleton within 100 miles in an earlier expedition) was testament to their spirit and willpower and toughness. But they paid the price in horrible hardships while Amundsen and his party reached the Pole on skis with relative ease. Amundsen also it has been noted benefited from very good weather en route unlike Scott.

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It may be a disgrace that the men who were commissioned to establish Shackleton's supply drops have been forgotten but this was hardly the fault of Sir Ernest. You're correct of course, that the loss of life on an expedition with which Shackleton had no control cannot be attributed to the man so why this part of the British Trans-Antarctic Expedition has been ignored has to be owing to a lack of public interest at that time. At least, I can't offer another reasonable explanation.

During his life, Shackleton was rightly proud of the fact that he never sacrificed a man in pursuit of personal glory and he never asked a man to take a risk that he did not first subject himself to. These statements are not part of legend but fact and it is what made Shackleton so much different than Robert Falcon Scott. Scott was an amateur explorer. He began exploration after he was involved in a collision and was blamed for the accident. In the RN such a blemish on one's record essentially ended one's career. Scott embraced exploration when it was apparent his naval career was in the tank. Shackleton was rather the real thing. He was tough as nails, a marvellous judge of men, and a man who led by example. Was he perfect? No but then what person has ever been perfect? And it is correct that no expedition that he personally led ever suffered the loss of a single man.

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From what I've understood about the "Forgotten" party its leader Capt. Mackintosh basically let Shackleton down by his poor leadership. Letting him down in that Shackleton delegated authority to him and the loss of life under Mackintosh could have besmirched Shack's reputation. This in no way means that myself and others aren't impressed by the things that the "Forgotten" Aurora party accomplished under harsh conditions and relative anonymity. I still think Shack's leadership record/judgment would ultimately have taken a hit if the BTAE had gotten underway with the somewhat over-reaching attempt to cross the continent, because the odds were long that they would have succeeded. So his stellar record of losing no man under his leadership may have come to an end there. Speculation, naturally. One can only imagine he would have died the hero in the world's and G.B.'s eyes like Scott but because of his previous record and the respect of those who served under him he would still be judged in a much better light than Scott, and very deservedly so.

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re: the "Forgotten Party"...

The group did not get the publicity but I think that even with the deaths they did complete their mission of setting up the depots for Shackleton's team priot to their trek. It is a testament I think to sheer duty during that "heroic age" of exploration. Undoubtedly, the lives of Shackleton and his men were in the "forgotten party's" hands. And they came through. Some died and they knew the risks. What was it about Shackleton's expedition when he asked for men to join and placed the ad?. There was a line ...."Safe Return Doubtful". Yet, he had so many that wanted to go he had to turn most away.

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That's a good point regarding the "Forgotten Party" accomplishing their main mission laying the supply caches for Shackleton's party and deserve respect and praise for that. But Mackintosh's leadership was shaky and men died under him. My recollection of this is cloudy but didn't the Aurora party almost lose their ship which at one point drifted away from anchor near their base? Obviously that would have been disastrous to the entire overall expedition. Ultimately the responsibility for not having a proper watch or whatever the reason falls on the one in charge. I can't remember the details of the logistics behind Shack's plan for the overall expedition once his party crossed the continent and reached the Aurora party camped near the sea- if both parties were going to leave together on a ship which remained (hopefully!) anchored there or were to be met by a relief ship? At any rate, this whole expedition relied on a lot of things going right to be successful and reach its goal, and not lose a single man let alone a number of them. I think most reasonable people would think his goals with this plan to cross Antarctica were beyond his reach and capabilities in that era. Yes even Shackleton who was bulldog tough and undaunted.

You mention testament and what would say more about Shackleton's leadership and the respect he garnered among the men who served under him when several re-upped on his Quest expedition back to the polar region in 1922!

That apocryphal advertisement for his fateful 1914 Endurance expedition "Safe return doubtful..." has never been authenticated by the way. Though it makes good copy!

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You are correct that Mackintosh wasn't the best leader (he did get himself and another man killed by stupidly attempting to go from one hut to another across unsafe ice with no tent or any other gear whilst a blizzard was approaching) but his initial problems lay in Shackelton's organisation, or lack thereof, of the Ross Sea Party.

He bought Sir Douglas Mawson's old ship, the Aurora, without seeing it and without confirming that all of the items within the ship (sheets, cooking equipment etc) came with the purchase. Consequently Mackintosh turned up in Australia to find a ship that wasn't even seaworthy and which had been completely stripped of all items. He also didn't have a full complement of crew, as Shackleton never bothered to organise crew. The Australia government and various state governments ended up paying a fortune to refit the ship and they were seriously short of crew and the crew they did have were unsavoury characters.

Shackleton also hadn't provided the Ross Sea party with enough money for coal to make a return trip to Australia for the winter, so he instructed them to winter the ship in the Ross Sea and gave very specific instructions as to where it was meant to be wintered. It turned out to be atrocious instructions as it was not safe to winter the ship anywhere near the Ross Sea, and thus the ship (like Shackelton's) was stuck in pack ice (although luckily wasn't crushed) and drifted for months before it could get free. The captain did a fantastic job during that time and managed to get to New Zealand after running out of coal early on.

He also failed to send the Ross Sea party notice that he would not be attempting a crossing of the continent during the first winter. He had written the instructions when he realised that he couldn't attempt the crossing during the first season, but failed to send them to the Ross Sea Party. If he had given the Ross Sea party these instructions, they would not have killed the majority of their dogs (again bad leadership by Mackintosh) in the first winter and half killed themselves trying to lay at least some of the stores.

I think it reflects badly on Shackleton that he was so immersed in his own part of the expedition that he a) picked an incompetent leader for the Ross Sea party and b) failed to give them adequate instructions or gave them bad instructions and c) did not ensure that they had the money to properly equip themselves.

If you are interested in the Ross Sea party, I recommend a fantastic book called 'The Lost Men' by Kelly Tyler-Lewis.

I must also add that I was digusted that they did not at least mention the fate of the Ross Sea party at the end of this mini-series, especially since Shackleton went to rescue them himself, so it would have been easy to slot it in.

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this is really centimentally important to me. ive been searching for years for a film kinda like this one. i must have been soo young when i watched it. i would gr8ly appreciate some help if anyone out there can help me with the following: i only vividly remeber one scene from the movie in question, its a scene at the end where two young men (brothers or best m8s) have been through and come out at the tail end of a terrible frostbite experience. the bit i remeber is the ending where these two guys are hand in hand after all theve been through and they are attemting to walk together after having had either one or both of their feet removed. i think it may have been a tv movie. definately american. but i just cant think back that long. any help would be gr8ly appreciated. thankyoiu for your time.

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Hmmm.

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