The ending?! - Ripper (2002) Discussion

[–] 21 years ago

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Hey there -

I love your theories guys - but no offence its all wrong - sorry i dont mean to be rude - but listen up - k-
Okay - so at the beginning she's running away - she sees that dead body in the mud and the hand grabs - she's freaked dude!! anyway she gets onto the boat - right - and she finds the dead body in the closet and screams - ahhhhhhh - lol -anyway - the other girl trys to get on the boat - and then that black hand comes and she stabs it -yeah - ok - THEN - if we skip to the part where she's in the serial class - to us she is still normal molly to us - and she's explaining what the perfect serial killer is - and she has the debate with the teacher - yeah... ok -
THEN - she meets up with the detective dude - they run into each other - ok - and he says you dont remember me - do you? she then clicks back to the boat - remembers sitting there seeing him - ok - now people - lol - what does this man wear most of the movie?!?!???! A black cloak with black gloves - now lets rewind - the guy who went to get on the boat was the detective - trying to help molly - yeah??!?!?!? alright - i hope you're following - cause ive tried to make it as clear as possible - its just a little hard cause the story is confusing - haha -
Ok - so then at the end of the movie - she hits the guy with the axe - then something or someone kills him with the axe - right - ok - then in the next scene you see her swinging something around in a real big rage - then she sees (herself) from the past and she follows (herself from the past) to the axe guys dead body - and Professor Kane is sitting there leaning on the axe - she yells at him - you killed him!! and he says - no it wasnt me - you have to believe me - blah blah - then the detective guy comes and says - here (holds up the necklace thingy) and says this is the last piece of evidence we needed to link Kane to the murders and then flashed back to her past and see's her walk by that tree with the dead body on it with a bloody knife and then see's herself with a bloody knife on the boat not helping the other girl onto the boat - with a big smirk on her face - then she see herself kill the axe guy with the axe.. okay - i hope this is making sense - anyway - she looks over at herself from the past and says "You did this didnt you" and then it goes to five years later - where prof. kane is about to get the chair and molly has written that book - now if you listen to his voice over - its back to the beginning where prof. kane is saying "Why dont i fit the profile of a serial killer" you have to think outside the box" -
Ok so by this time - you dont know how the hell Molly can be the serial killer -cause she was scared the whole movie!! ya know - and even with that last comment from the last user saying the rage in her eyes at the beginning - you didnt think right then - omg - its her - you probably thought she was like angry cause he wasnt believing her - and she'd been thru it before - ANYWAY -
So crossing back to the voice over - he says all that stuff - then it goes to her reading a bit of paper with all the students names on it - and when placed correctly - the middle spells teacher - so the ALTER EGO of Molly created the teacher to be framed for the murders - right - cause she thought outside the box - of how he could be a serial killer - he wanted to know at the beginning - why cant i fit the profile - so she made him fit the profile - but if this isnt making sense - lol - what i mean by alter ego - is the whole movie she didnt know that she was the serial killer - right - because it was something taking over her - cause if you remember she says to herself back when the detective says he has the final piece of evidence to link kane to the murders - she looks over to herself and says "you did this didnt you" - it was the bad side of her coming back - cause she remembers that she did something bad - but she's trying to get that out of her - then at the end she realises she killed them all - ok -then right at then end - when she's all older and she walks out - she says "its 1884 right - yeah - i knew i was becoming jack - silent jack - jack that never sleeps but prospers (something like that) trade name JACK THE RIPPER". ok - so i have it sussed to there - lol - but then why the hell does she wake up in a mental ward!?!??!?!?
The main reason i came on here - is cause i dont get the end either - just that last bit - but you guys were off with the story line - so i wanted to help you out - lol - but i still have one hitch in my theory and that is why does she wake up in the mental ward -
The only thing i could think of - is after the murders to all her friends (not at the beginning - the second lot of friends) she went crazy about what her alter ego did - and was committed and she dreamt that prof. kane was put to death - and stuff - cause she couldnt really be in 1884 at the end could she - so that was probably her alter ego dreaming what she wanted to happen - but then she wakes up was like AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh - ya know - well thats the best i can think of -

I hope my theory helps out - even if in the slightest possible way - please tell me if you have any altered theories - thanks - cause im still semi in the dark...

Courtney

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[–] 21 years ago

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[–] k_4_korn-1 21 years ago

Hey Abigail -

No worries - i just thought i should clear it up for ya'll - lol - but yeah - Molly has an alter ego - like a dark half - a mental condition - you hit it right on the spot - exactly - correct-a-mondo - lol - no but really - if you look at the end when she looks at herself sitting next to Professor Kane - or the dead body - whatever way you look at it - (do you remember when she was sitting there - the long blonde hair?!?!) anyway - yeah Molly looks over at her and says "You did this didnt you" - like she just clicked and realised that it was her all along - like when she was holding the knife on the boat and when she was in the woods -
I mean its the theory that makes the most sense - its what ive boiled it down to - but i reckon that this movie kicks royal ass - lol - i think it rocks - and id recommend it to anyone - if anyone you know doesnt understand it - just tell them to read our theories and see what suits them best - but seriously i wish i could like talk to the writer or the director - lol - and like get it straighted out - just so i have piece of mind - ha!! lol
But yeah - you can tell she's kinda got a mental condition at the end - when she's saying - I knew i was becoming jack - silent jack - jack who never sleeps but prospers - trade name JACK THE RIPPER -
But then i just dont understand the waking up in a mental hosptial - unless - like i said - she just dreamt the (5 years later part - when kane got the electric chair) thats the only thing that seems to fit to me -
But yeah - let me know if you want me to clear it up a bit more...

Aighty - well im glad to have been of some assistance - and ill talk to ya'll later

Court

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[–] 21 years ago

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[–] HackedOff 21 years ago

Yeah, that makes sense. So Molly wants to be like Jack the Ripper (coz shes mental lol) and this is why she sees herself in london at the time of the Ripper...becuase she wants to be him in a way! So Jack is her alter ego...her other, darker self. She kills all of her freinds, on both occasions, in a kind of trance where she is like the Ripper, but then snaps out of it, meaning she cant remember commiting the murders. Its only when she sees her old self that she relaises it was her...well that expalins the end...she JUST realised she killed a load of people...like she was sleepwalking when she did it and then woke up and went "ghhhhaaa! I killed a bunch of people" (I know she wasnt really sleepwalking, just an example) and so that would probebly make you pretty insane...suddenly making the discovery that you are a killer! Thats why she is in a mental hospital. She thinks it was the teacher who killed everyone becuase she made him fit the profile with her own wacky imagination. She kills Jason with the axe, comes out of her trance, and sees the teacher at the body, and so thinks it was him. It makes sense that his execution is just a dream, because in her twisted mind, he was the killer. Thats basically what you said right?? The only thing I dont get is why the teacher has the necklace from 5 years ago...how did he get that? Or does Molly imagine him having the necklace. Does Molly "think" that the detective thinks that the teacher is the killer? OR...........is the teacher executed becuase no one knows it was her, and he is wrongly accused....and Molly is in the hospital purely because she is a nut case?

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[–] k_4_korn-1 21 years ago

Hey rcfanatic -
You got everything right to a tee!! - thats exactly what i mean - Molly has the alter ego - and goes in and out of trances - she makes the teacher fit the profile and thats why she thinks its him at the end - you got it all right -
But to answer your questions at the end -
Molly doesnt think that the detective thinks that the teacher is the killer - the detective already thinks that the teacher is the killer -
Im not sure if the teacher is executed or not - but he has the voice over, over the top of her imaginary jack the ripper life - back in the 1880's - so im guessing she imagined him getting killed - but then again - he still could have got killed - cause she was in the mental hospital - and if she was the killer - then she wouldve been killed - ya know?? I whole 1880's sequence was a dream - but im not sure if the teacher going to the electric chair was part of that dream sequence -
Oh and Molly's alter ego would have planted the necklace on the teacher at the end -

Ask me if you have any other questions

Court :)

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[–] ccollinsmith 21 years ago

I'm guessing here, but, on the question of whether or not the professor is really executed at the end?...

#1) This movie did its homework on Jack the Ripper. It's got the details correct on all 5 of the canonical victims and also on Martha Tabram. So we can assume that the film is rather concerned with accuracy.

#2) The movie came out in 2001 and is clearly set in the present. By 2001, no state in the United States was using the electric chair as its only means of execution. The only states that even offer electrocution as an option are in areas that are clearly not the setting for this film! (mostly the South and the northern Midwest).

#3) Given the constant rain, the film is almost certainly set in the Pacific Northwest--either in British Columbia (where, I believe it was filmed), or in Washington or Oregon. Canada and Oregon have no capital punishment, and the electric chair is not an option for execution in Washington.

Okay, to sum up: we've got a movie in which the details on the Ripper murders are extremely accurate, but a movie in which the "killer" is executed by a means that would almost certainly not have been used in actuality.

Conclusion? Given that she wakes up at the end in a mental hospital, Kane's execution is PROBABLY occurring in Molly's imagination.

--CCS

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[–] k_4_korn-1 21 years ago

Hey CColinsmith - thanks heaps for that input - im sure the others will be excited to hear someone elses theories - its like been us three the whole time -so yeah its cool to hear someone elses point of view - thanks again -
Thats basically what i thought anyway - i didnt think Kane really got executed -but i didnt know the motive to it - and you've just cleared that up for me - thanks - and take care

Court :)

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[–] A_Llama_Drama 18 years ago

Molly says...i knew i was becoming jack...maybe the ghost of him took over her??? letters from hell? he came to her and possessed her?? how about that and then the reason shes in a mental ward is cause its left her all broken???could that be it?

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[–] k_4_korn-1 21 years ago

Hey guys -

Im not good at thinking of two things at once - lol - so ill answer Abigal first - then respond to rcfanatic -
Im glad that helped - i feel i accomplished something - ha! lol
Ive tried to explain it to my mom and she still doesnt get it properly - lol - and i actually am able to talk to her - all im doing here is typing - lol - and you guys get it!! ha!
So you know people who criticise it!?!?! I havent had anyone criticise it.. what do they say??
I heard something about a sequel - but it sucks that AJ Cook isnt playing it - AND that it'll be a sci fi - that SUCKS!! It probably will end up being bad - lol
AJ Cook is such a good actress - she was cool in Final Destination 2 - have you seen that??

Hope to talk to you soon

Court :)

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[–] 21 years ago

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[–] k_4_korn-1 21 years ago

I realise Ripper is fuzzy - but is for someone that has a brain - lol - that can work something out - like at least after ive explained it to people they understand - but like ppl who just bag it - have NO idea - they are STUPID!! Its a movie - and all movies try to be as big as they can be - and no critic is a professional - its a stupid excuse for a job - because they only bag movies - and try to steer ppl away from everything and anything -
Im really dreading the sequel - first - how the f*&% do you not have AJ in it!! HELLLLLLLLO!!! STUPID!! the producers might has well put a gun to their heads and say GOODBYE - BANG!! Cause it wont work - and yeah - the word SCI FI in there - scares me - i dont know how there is a sequel -
My mom reckons it probably wont even turn out to be Molly - ha!! Ill watch it for interests sake - but i wont hope for big things!! lol!
So where abouts are you from?? if Final Destination 2 hasnt come out yet?? it came out here ages ago - and like im in Australia - but yeah - it rocks - i loved the first one - but the second is MUCH bigger and MUCH better!! its ROCKS - go see it as soon as it comes out!! I DID!! lol - ill have to get it on DVD!!

All the best -

Court :)

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[–] 21 years ago

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[–] k_4_korn-1 21 years ago

I really hope for your sake that they dont go direct to video - cause the first time you see it - HAS to be in the cinema!! unless you have a big tv with surround sound!! lol - like me! ha - but no - it is really best watched in the cinema - i hope that you dont get direct to video - altho itll still be good - but not AS good -
Actually recently a direct to video film that we got was Abandon - with Katie Holmes - yeah i didnt like that too much - cause i was looking forward to it - it had been shown at the theatres - then they axed it - and its coming out on video next month -
Well anyway - if theres anything you wanna know about films - any un explained endings - or just in general - ask me - lol - im generally pretty good with films - and most people would genereally title me with that of a movie buff - lol - without sounding like a nerd - i mean - i do have a life out of movies -ha - altho i do acting - filmmaking and singing - so they all pretty much have to do with films - ha - but i mean more generally in life - im not a nerd - i promise - lol

Well ill talk to ya later Abigail

Courtz :)

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[–] HackedOff 21 years ago

Well now I totally understand Ripper! Yay! Which is cool coz I love it (no matter what people say) and I got it on DVD for £5.99! lol! How cool is that? I spose its because its Hollywood DVD so they are all cheap.
I have no idea how to access the extras though, they are on there (according to the back of the box) but I can't find them!!! lol!
Oh! and I have a good (made up lol) theory to why the killings stop following the pattern og the Ripper after Annie is mutilated...becuase Molly is growing more and more insane! Shes at the brink! and she needs to get rid of them all so that her alter ego can be at rest, having finished the task of creating an homage to the Ripper! :) As the pressure builds, and people are more aware of what will happen (especially when they know which order they will die in) she panics and starts offing them left right and centre like shes completely out of control (which makes sense becuause the really Molly doesn't even know what she is doing) Sound good?? lol...my lame attempt at sorting this film out hehehehe....but I personally think it is more than people say...Its better than Urban Legend and its UL:Final Cut...and it has more to it than things like I Know What You Did Last Summer....I thinks its a great film! Kelly Brooks death is so brutal!

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[–] HackedOff 21 years ago

Oh, I just wanted to say...I saw Final Destination 2 in the cinema...it was great! But I like the first one more. I prefer the characters in the first one...and it wasnt a well known film when it first came out...then later it started getting noticed! I was the first person I know to see it, and I saw it in the cinema...OMG the bus hit made me fly out my seat! Big screen, surround sound...you can imagine! It was great! There are more deaths in 2nd one and nearly all of them are fantastic so its definetley worth seeing! I will buy it on DVD when it comes out :)

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[–] 21 years ago

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[–] k_4_korn-1 21 years ago

Hey Hi Hey people of this message board - lol

Well ive loved having this chat about the ending of a fantastic film - its more than fantastic - words cant describe it - i must say tho - im a sucker for thrillers/horrors and this has gotta top the rest - its great - but yeah -
I agree with you rcfanatic about the made up theory - with molly offing everyone at the end - kudos - cause i didnt really think about that bit - really - i didnt even realise it went astray from the real jack the ripper murders - so yeah kudos to you -

I can assure you Abigail im not a real life movie star - altho i wish to be one - so look out for me - you'll see me in lights one day "Courtney Ashton" -
Do you guys have an email address!?!?
Well mine's [email protected]
But yeah Katie cant be linked to AJ and Ali - cause she isnt as good - i agree -but she's still a fav - cause im a sucker for Dawsons Creek - altho its over -::tear::

Hey listen guys - im being kicked offline - so ill check back tomorrow - or the next day - and see if any one has added another msg -
ill talk to ya'll later

Court :)

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[–] 21 years ago

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[–] HackedOff 21 years ago

Hi! OMG we must be the only 3 people that check the boards for this movie lol
Anyway, my email addy is [email protected] if anyone wants it :) c ya!

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[–] 21 years ago

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[–] k_4_korn-1 21 years ago

Hey guys -

Yeah - i agree as long as we keep the board going - one day - when more people see the movie and wanna read the message boards - then they can see our discussions - itll be wicked - i reckon the best way for them to make the sequel is to check the msg board - i reckon thats the best thing for any filmmaker making a sequel to a movie - cause you just get good feedback -
Hey but guess what - i was watching Ripper again this morning - and i noticed something else - the last Jack the Ripper victim was Mary Kelly - and then if you remember back to the beginning - the name of the boat that Molly was on was called Mary Kelly -
Also just before Molly goes to the party - she's lying on her bed about to go to sleep - do you notice it like goes into a kinda trance - and has like a weird guys voice saying all this stuff - and then it goes thru to the window of the party - well at first i thought - hey maybe she is dreaming the party bit - but then when i thought about it - it didnt make sense - but what does make sense is that she goes into her Jack the Ripper trance - where her alter ego takes over - cause do you remember when Jason comes up to her and says i didnt think you joined in on group outings - and she says "Oh.. i wouldnt miss this for the world". That is sooooooooooo Jack the Ripper - lol -
But then also when she is describing the killings to the teacher - and the teacher tells her shes wrong - and her theory is stupid (in a round-a-bout way) she gets all fired up in her eyes - you can soooooo tell!! and then she says "Yeah - but what if this copy cat just thinks their doing it like Jack the Ripper - isnt that something to go on". She also says "Jack the Ripper killed in dark alleyways - but ALWAYS in crowded places - this is what has been happening"...
See - ive picked up on sooo much - lol - just by watching it sooo much - lol - ha!!

Alright - well i sent you guys an email - but i dont think that it works - lol -i tried it and it didnt work - but my computers dumb - lol - but yeah - ill talk to ya'll later

Cya!!

Court :)

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[–] wolfoutlaw 18 years ago

Great, I don't seem to be the only one who came down to that decision.

I, like just about everyone else found the ending very very very confusing BUT being loving psychological thrillers for years now helped me a bit even though I was tired and not able to focus on the details - especially not in the confusing end, watching this in the middle of the night...

So I sure did NOT look and think that deep and hard about the details and did not keep an eye on Molly's character but simply the fact that she WAS extremeluy afraid and obvious victim all through the movie, but then all the sudeen in the end it seems like something else (by her speaking about Jack and her being him)... And the final thing was the final scene with her waking up in something that looks like menthal hospital or something similiar.

Therefore - yes, a split personality seems like the most logical explenation to this, and I really wouldn't have bothered o look any harder than that to decide my pov nor explain my thought any more detaily.

But still, thankyou - your explanation at least made it even more obvious to those who didn't figure it out any way. ^^

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[–] broncos24 14 years ago

Great summary I as well saw it like you decribed, but also don't understand the mental ward.

It also seems like when they were decribing the forentics on the deaths it doesn't seem to fit they showed happening. Like the girl that got ran off the road I think they said the she got her throut cut and strangled like the others but last time we saw her she was hanging from a cliff.

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[–] dreamcin 21 years ago

I watched the movie last night, then came here to read what people wrote. Then i watched the movie again (closer)tonight and i noticed a few things.

In the beginning, she is bloody and stuff, if she wasnt the killer than howcome she was all bloody cuz she didnt have any cuts on her and if the killer did hurt her, i think he would have injured her more. One thing i never understood is why should would just put on the boat and kill her "friend" instead of helping even if there was a killer.

~Jump to first class scene~

When Kane talks about Jack the Ripper, when he mentions the victims names the camera jumps to each corresponding victim in the class.

When molly is coming up with the profile soon after that. She basically describes herself. A mother who left her. a "*beep* you" attitude. (cant remember how she mentioned it). Someone who is confident and has a Dont screw with me attitude. Then the teacher mentions that he could be a killer because you have to think outside the box. The typical serial killer is a white male, so wouldnt a female being thinking outside the box?

ONe question is, is the teacher like telepathic or something? how does he talk to the students and not open his mouth when he was talking about the killer? he also did this with detective kelso.

~Jump to first group meeting~

She mentions about the attraction to killing. The appearance of Det. Kelso. That always made me wonder if he is real or not or if it was her imagination. But since he interacts with other people in hte movie that is crossed out.

~Her apartment~
there is a cross on her wall which reminds me of the cross they flashed in the beginning scene and the cross the dectective said was in kane's apartment at the end.

~the party~
Jason mentions that Molly is a watcher and she knows what everyone is really like. SHe also mentions that he should take a "stab" could be a reference to a knife.

~Detective in the hallway~
He says "he is back Molly". meaning the jack in her is back and is out again.

~koda blood~
someone steals the vile of jason's blood so its obviously not jason, which we already know because he is one of the victim shots in the beginning.

~Molly at crime scene~
Detective Kelso thinks that Molly is the killer. She had a hard child life. She was the only survivor. She runs away. He tells her that she needs help and the way he said it, i was thinking that he meant that she needed professional psychiatritic help. But this is weird because his future actions doesnt really stay true to it that much.

~Her apartment~
her walls are covered with paintings. you see her in white, but you also see scary looking pictures which could resemble demons inside of her fighting to get out.

~Molly and Jason: Computer scene~
SHe mentions that she hacked into the police records so she could stay one step ahead of them....Jack the Ripper was always one step ahead of the police. Especially when someone walked in on Jack while he was killing Elizabeth Stride. Police could have had him but didnt. Molly's comment just was eerie.

~Kane in car~
Detective kelso mentioned that he went to Kane five years earlier about the island mutilations. Kane knew one of the girls. Could be a reason why Molly would chose this school and his class. Just a theory. Also a good person to frame.

~Molly running after talk with jay and gang~
Molly knew where all the victims were gonna be. Nobody else outside of the group knew that. Like, she knew that they were gonna be at the party. She knew that Mary-anne was going home (she walks in when she mentions that). She knew that Andrea was gonna be at the morgue.

When she is running. they have a clip where Molly is sitting on the cliff (similar to where mary-anne fell from). It's weird because the clip is during the daylight and not at night in the rain. So that could mean that she was on the cliff when Mary-anne died.

~Kane's Cabin~
they mention that maybe this killer is a descendent from Jack. What if Molly is a descendent from the real Jack? why not. anything is possible.

~In general~
What if Jack the Ripper was what Molly said, not the doctor, but a fish (whatever, cant remember). WHat if Jack was really smart and knew that others would think that a doctor would be a good suspect. Hence, Molly tries to frame Kroker and Kane. THey both fit the profile. Her plan was to frame the teacher. And btw, i think it was stupid that all the names spelt "TEACHER" like come on. im sure any 7 names could spell that. its not like the last letter of each name was those letters. But it also mentions that Kane was a victim, so that would show that Molly is the killer.

You guys mentioned an alter ego. My first thought would be maybe DID (disociative identity disorder aka multiple personalities). Maybe something happened. Maybe those kids did a cruel prank on her at the island. And she snapped and protected herself by splitting up into another personality. Which would leave her as a "survivor" and not knowing the truth. And maybe she forgot about what happened that night. And could only remember taht a serial killer got her friends. ANd then she became obsessed with serial killers. ANd the ultimate serial killer, which is Jack (we all love jack). So this personality would plan everything. and the Molly wouldnt know about it. Kane did mention that there was a thin line between actually being a killer. Anyone could snap at any moment. Also there was a few flashes of an eye throughout the movie. Maybe that signifies the changing of personalities. So she could have some heridity or predisposition to be Jack. That mixed with a traumatic experience could equal to breakdown and death. Maybe thats why at the end she says "i've been in limbo all these years" talking as jack. Jack finally re-emerged.

The ending. I don't think Kane was excuted. THe scene just doenst look real. It seems outdated. Maybe Detective Kelso finds Molly after she kills Kane. and he really is saying, We found the last piece of the puzzle, we have you know. In her mind Jack/her is back in london. But in reality she is in a mental ward for her disorder.

I still question the Detective, i just dont get him. Part of me thinks that he's not truly a person but her subconscious. but he has to be real to some extent. I dont know.

A few things that dont make sense...
One, if Molly was the killer how could she string that girl up there on the tree in the beginning? how would she be strong enough...that could make sense if she has another personality cuz the personality could be an actual male or Jack and she would have the strenght of a man.

Two, why would they take a crappy yellow jeep to the top of the mountain when Kane actually has the explorer type of car that is red. which actually follows them (killer inside) to the mountain....yes, if there is a killer out there i want the car with no windows instead of the nice strong car that no one could get in.

Three, where did kane go when the others went up to the mountain.

~some things you guys mentioned~
you mentioned (im not sure if it was in this thread or another one) that the killer just kills people not the way jack did. Like with eddie and chantel. Could be for a few reasons. One, they were stupid because they ended up killing themselves anyway. Chantel ended up killing Eddie and she killed herself because yeah, she's indianna jones and can sliver through a saw and not expected to take a head off. Besides, the killer couldnt get them alone anyway. And, its only a movie and they probably had a deadline.

I guess i have written enough. Way too much probably. I hope i didnt forget anything. Thanks

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[–] k_4_korn-1 21 years ago

Listen Up - ppl

I have another theory - well its an extention of my orignal theory

Ok - anyone seen Doppelganger with Drew Barrymore - !?!?!?!?

Well if not - see it -
ANYWAY - anyone that is not aware of what a doppelganger is - its yourself trapped between the dead world and the afterlife

I reckon - Molly had a doppelganger that she wasnt aware of - and it killed everyone at the beginning -

then by the end - she looks over at herself and is like - you did it didnt you -DUH!! Doppelganger - AND i reckon the bit at the end - when she is walking around being like with the black short bob cut and walks out sounding derranged - is real!! its her doppelganger - the professor really gets killed - and the original molly wakes up in a mental institution!!

Tell me what ya'll think

Courts

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[–] k_4_korn-1 21 years ago

Listen Up - ppl

I have another theory - well its an extention of my orignal theory

Ok - anyone seen Doppelganger with Drew Barrymore - !?!?!?!?

Well if not - see it -
ANYWAY - anyone that is not aware of what a doppelganger is - its yourself trapped between the dead world and the afterlife

I reckon - Molly had a doppelganger that she wasnt aware of - and it killed everyone at the beginning -

then by the end - she looks over at herself and is like - you did it didnt you -DUH!! Doppelganger - AND i reckon the bit at the end - when she is walking around being like with the black short bob cut and walks out sounding derranged - is real!! its her doppelganger - the professor really gets killed - and the original molly wakes up in a mental institution!!

Tell me what ya'll think

Courts

OO OO - one more thing - when molly falls asleep on her bed reading the prof. kane book - and then it goes all eerie like up to the party - and mollys is like i wouldnt miss this for the world - that is the doppelganger - there is NO WAY molly could have got to that party that quick - NO WAY!!

So yeah - there ya go

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[–] Ekata 21 years ago

Just watched this movie. Think it had a very intriguing end. I had to watch the start and the end again.

I think it was Molly who did the killing, more or less based on the asumptions you all have written. She probably couldn't remember she did it as 'Jack' is dormant in her.

Just a note - if you look closely at the end with the papers saying that Kane was executed you will note that a book is lying beside it. On the cover is a picture of Molly, the title is Letters from Hell and she is the author of the book. That could very well point to that the ending '5 years later' is all in her head, as it doesn't make sense she should have written a book about the murders and then end up in a mental institution.

Well, that was just my 2 cents.

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[–] 50_cents_luvr_4_life 21 years ago

me and my friend watched the movie n we came up with the fact that the professer killed evry1 n molly went crazy but after reading what courtney wrote i totally agree b cuz we went n watched it again n i noticed what u were sayin court ! thnx a bunch !

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[–] veneficus111 21 years ago

I'm sorry but with the exceptions of Dreamcin and Ekata you are all idiots. The ending is completely obvious. She believed she was, in a way, Jack the Ripper. That was why she killed her friends, that's why the detective followed her, and that's why she killed her schoolmates.

The people with the sixth grade mentality and the IQ one point below that of yogurt who don't understand the mental institute, you need some help yourselves. When the detective caught her, she got "off" because she was mentally ill which meant she had to go to an institute. There she made up this dream about how she framed the professor, wrote a book, and became rich and successful. And if you're stuck in a place like that, who wouldn't? Come on people. Put down the popcorn, pick up a book, and USE YOUR BRAIN.

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[–] HackedOff 21 years ago

That is the conclusion that everyone has just came to a few months ago! Did you read this topic before yot mouthed off like a retard?! Maybe you should read it through, stop bieng such a whiney bitch and USE YOUR BRAIN before you talk sh-it to people like a total wanker. Thanx.

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[–] k_4_korn-1 21 years ago

Ok - (veneficus111) keeping in mind that u did just call me an idiot i can try to move past that - only bcause i agree with u - or not that i agree with u because thats exactly my theory.. which.. as rcfantic put it we all established like 6 months ago.. however the way u have worded it and put it in less that 6million words is what im proud of - u didnt have to mouth off at everyone tho -wasnt that necessary its just people saying what they think but in longer sentences - u were clever enough to be able to 'put pen to paper' easily - if that makes sense - some people find it hard to explain something simply - and as much as this is kicking me in my own face by saying this - its true - kudos to you - but dont call my friends idiots again - k

One other thing to Eikichi - the best movies are the ones that make u think - for sure u go to the movies to escape reality - to laugh or be scared - whatever gets u off - but - when a movie makes u think or you have to watch it again - its truly a great film, take memento - rules of attraction - confessions of a dangerous mind - all very good films because of these things - they make u think - and wonder -
If ur gonna use some cheesy exuse like "im not at skool, i dont go to the movies to have to think".. maybe its a good idea they make this films because they create thinking patterns for ppl and if u cant be bothered thinking and ur not at skool.. well i pity the poor soul.
Oh.. and she wasnt locked in the house when chantelle and eddie died - if u remember after they died it cuts back to her walking into the house taking her raincoat hood off - yeah - mmm hmm - how close did u watch this movie??
Oh thats right - you dont think - so u couldnt possibly answer that with a conclusive answer -

Ur a champ Rcfantic n the rest of u - with the exceptions of Eikichi and veneficus111 - i know i gave u kudos but u still suck for calling me and my friends idiots!! Just chillax dude -

Courts

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[–] thundering_silence 20 years ago

I have a theory that I wanted to put out there and see what all of you think. I don't think that Molly was actually the killer, but I believe that she believes she was. Here's the thing. The killer would have to be strong, to get the one girl from the cliff to the building where the cop found her, and also to put the naked girl up in the tree in the beginning of the movie. Also, when Molly is on the boat, there is a guy in black who tries to grab her. She stabs him in the hand. When she picked up the knife, it was clean, but when you see it lodged in gunwale, it has blood on it, which indicates to me that she actually did stab someone. And lastly, when the girl was in the water, trying to climb into the boat, Molly freaks out and jumps back, knocking into the accelerator, which sucks the girl into the propellor, killing her accidentally. Fastforward five years, people start dying all around Molly again. If you put yourself in Molly's place, twice, people have died all around you, and yet you survive. Wouldn't it be easy to take the blame on yourself? I think this would explain the flashback scene where you see Molly looking down into the water at the girl with a rather maniacal grin on her face; in her mind, she murdered her friend. And she feels responsible for what's happening in the present. That's why she ends up in the nut hatch at the very end; not cuz she killed them, but because she thinks did.

And btw, in case no one mentioned it here, apparently in the director's commentary on the DVD, he said he left it open-ended, so the audience could decide for itself who the killer was.

Thunder

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[–] caseyofmirkwood 20 years ago

There are some very interesting theries on this site and it helps to clear it up for me. So thank you all, I thought this film was very interesting until i got to teh ending which i foiund was thourghly disappointing, mostly because it left me saying huh, but now i have read through all your theories it makes a little more sense to me. Thank you.

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[–] bugsyoz 20 years ago

Hi troops

Here's what I think happened, pretty sure this is the case.

Molly did the business, and framed the teacher. Right? Right. The copper finds her towards the end and arrests her. The next few scenes are in her head...the teacher being executed, obviously the history part...then, BAM she wakes up in the institution, after being convicted (or, straight after her arrest). Simple really. lol.

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[–] Littlelady85 20 years ago

I watched Ripper last night and noticed a few things.
1.In the beginning when you see the hand coming up and she stabs it, its the person's left hand. and if you watch the detective when he is talking to Prof. Kane, he is wearing a black glove on his left hand only.
2. Kroaker's (spelling?) initials are AK, and if you study the Ripper casefiles,like I have,one of the ripper suspects was Arron Kosminski. 3.
3.The charecter Keven Lusk, also in the Ripper casefiles is the name George Lusk, the head of the whitechapel vigilence committee and reciever of the half a kidney.coincidence?

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[–] Phoenix_13 20 years ago

I'm glad I'm not the only one who is obsessing slightly on the ending of this movie. I haven't listened to the commentary, so I didn't know that it was deliberately left open-ended, but I suspected it was.

I've watched it several times in the last ten days or so (just saw it for the first time), and I'm convinced the killer is NOT Molly.

The closest I can figure is that it's Detective Kelso. I'm sure it's either him or Professor Kane. Why is Kelso always walking around carrying a knife that he himself says is "identical to the one the killer used"? Including that night in the woods.

His shoes are very similar to the ones that seem to belong to the killer.

It's definitely a man's hand that steals Jason's blood sample -- just look at the size of it. Kane's got huge hands. So does Kelso (you might not know this from the movie; I know it from being familiar with Prochnow's other work). Molly doesn't.

Yes, Molly knew where each of the victims would be. So did Kane.

It MIGHT have been Kane: he, Molly, and Aaron are all from the same place -- or should I say, they all lived in the same place five years earlier, when the first set of murders happened.

He's been kidnapped and tortured by a serial killer himself, and it is also his former job to, as he said to the students, "step inside the mind of a killer" -- he was a profiler, and that's got to affect you. It clearly affected him.

He was at the party the first night. Maryann probably would have told him she was going home for a couple of days. And Andrea had morgue detail because of the class -- everyone was supposed to take a turn at it (rather unrealistic in my opinion; unless you're a graduate student in forensic science or something like that, you probably won't be pulling solo morgue detail).

BUT...Kelso was also around five years ago. Kelso has this funny habit of carrying that big knife around wherever he goes. Kelso's wearing black gloves (proves nothing; black leather gloves are a dime a dozen), and shoes that closely resemble those that the killer is wearing. AND Kelso was the one who suggested that Kane and the remaining members of that one study group go up to Kane's cabin.

I've had such a great time analyzing this movie. This was surprisingly well-done. I didn't expect much from it, as recent horror movies have not been very good, in my opinion. This was a pleasant surprise, and I've become so hooked on the movie that I purchased a copy.

This is the best performance I've seen yet from Payne, and I'd never heard of AJ Cook before, but was very impressed with her acting ability.

Was hilft Laufen, wenn Man nicht auf dem rechten Weg ist?

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[–] ROC-Fan 19 years ago

If you want to see more of AJ Cook, get the first season DVD set of "Tru Calling" - she plays Tru's (Eliza Dushku) best friend Lindsay, who for most of the season is also her brother Harrison's (Shawn Reaves) girl friend. I found this movie through its link on IMDb's AJ Cook page.

"It was a good day fighting."

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[–] inuimari 19 years ago

If this film follows logic and was well-thought out (which I really doubt, because when the first victim died, how did the killer move so quick, and was able to control the elevator? THe killer would have been in a control room, but in the next moment, he is attacking the first victim), the professor is the killer.
He is the only one that was able to arrange class (except for that guy that knew Molly's past. Forgot his name. But then he died mid-way), thus enabling the initial of the members of the group matching that of Ripper's victim.
My take on the ending is that, the professor was the murderer, got executed, and Molly finally went crazy from the fact that she underwent stressful life-or-death situations.

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