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So the multivers IS NOT INFINITE


According to this movie Yu Law has killed 123 versions of himself and Gabe on our Earth is number 124. Once he is dead Yu will be "The One"

So the multiverse is in fact finite and there's only 124 versions of everything ever if you include our universe.

That just doesn't make sense IMHO..

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The movie makes the claim that there are only 124 universes with versions of Jet Li's character in them, not that there are a total of 124 universes making up the entire multiverse.

And you're right - a finite multiverse wouldn't make any sense ... if the multiverse in this movie was a Level III multiverse. It's said in the movie, though, that new universes are created from black holes, not from branching timelines, so that would make this multiverse a type of Level II multiverse, which operates under different principals from a Level III multiverse.

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Can you explain the levels?

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I'm not very good at explaining these concepts - hell, I have a hard time understanding them myself - but I'll give it my best shot.

Level I multiverse

In other regions of space beyond the observable universe, duplicates and near-duplicates of ourselves, our world, our galaxy, etc. have all come into existence through a sort of "convergent stellar evolution". You could basically visit another "universe" in this type of multiverse by travelling in a ship fast enough to take you there.

Level II multiverse

Regions of space within a universe get closed off from the rest of the universe and eventually become seperate "bubble universes". These types of universes may have different physical constants from ours - for example, the speed of light may be faster or slower, gravity may be stronger or weaker, etc.

Level III multiverse

This type of multiverse consists of an infinite amount of seperate timelines which are constantly branching off from one another. This branching occurs as a way to accomodate all the possibilities the laws of physics can allow to happen. For example, imagine dropping a ball down a pipe that has two seperate openings at the bottom, one going left while the other right; reality has to allow both possibilities to occur, so the timeline essentially splits at that moment to allow the ball to go both ways at the same time.

Level IV multiverse

This is an ensemble of all mathematically conceivable universes/multiverses which don't fit into the Level I-III classifications above. Universes that fall under this classification can have laws of physics entirely alien to those of our own.

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That was an excellent and clear explanation ... Thanks. Made my head spin

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Does Level III even make sense?
I mean, let's take your example with that ball. For you it may look like the ball could go either way but in fact the path is already determined when you drop it - it doesn't matter how many balls you drop, as long as you drop them exactly the same angle, the same force, the same ball and the same pipe with everything else like wind, obstacles, surface of the tube etc. being the same, then the result will always be the same. Basically Obiwan was right when he said "To my experience something like "luck" doesn't exist". "Luck" or "chance" implies that something random can happen but in our world nothing is random. Just ask a programmer how random number generators work and he will tell you that a truly randomizer is impossible, all you can do is coming close to something that appears random enough for your purposes but actually isn't random.

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According to this movies model of the universe, no. There are only as many universes as there are black holes(we're told that when a star becomes a black hole, this is what spawns a new universe in the movie).

That said, there may not be a "you" in every possible universe. They even said as much.

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If you take in the concept of the Big Bang, the bang was a black hole from another universe, that sucked in more matter than it could contain, thus bursting out in an explosion throughout the universe.


This is not part of the theory of the big bang. The big bang takes no position on what caused the big bang. It's only a description of what happened immediately after the bang occurred.

There is a theory that a black hole from another universe warped the fabric of time to this universe (creating a bridge similar to worm holes) and all the matter sucked up from the black hole bursted into our universe.


This doesn't even make sense. Please direct me to this theory you talk about. How can matter be spewed into a universe that doesn't exist? And how is it that matter\energu doesn't just magically continue to appear in the universe?

And eventually, our universe will be sucked into a black hole and will burst out into another universe, creating new planets, solar systems and galaxies.


I don't think you understand how black holes work. They don't "suck" anything in. A black hole only has as much mass\gravity as the star that it came from. Objects "fall into" a black hole if their trajectory takes them close enough to the black hole, but the same would happen with a star in the black holes place. Hell, the same thing happens on Earth every time there's meteor shower.

That said, no two universes are identical.


There's no possible way for you to know that. And if there are an infinite number of universes, then yes, there are bound to be several universes that are EXACTLY like the one we occupy.

But through fiction, since the concept of parallel universes is pretty interesting and thinking about another different version of you can open your imagination, they writers changed the parallel universe concept to be identical to each other.


No, they clearly didn't. They made it pretty clear that all the universes we saw were sort of similar, but they were also clearly different from one another.

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Yes, I do actually. Both scientific and the general sense of the word. And nothing you said in your previous post is supported by scientific theory. The word theory in science does not mean "a random guess."

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This pains me, he killed 123, aimed for his 124th and himself comes from the 125th. 125 universes. Do u evn math bruh...

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