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What happened? (spoilers)


(has spoilers) OK, I just watched the movie and found it unique and intriguing, but also somewhat awkward. Either way, I never figured out exactly what happened.

Here were my theories: (when I say "reality," it means reality as we know it)

First theory: Class Real is "reality". Once Ash woke up in Class Real, everything seemed to come together and finally make sense. Class Real is "reality," which is why it's colored normally and Class A, and the yellow world Ash lived in were both the same color - they were both "the game." This explains the term "unreturned." An unreturned has left the GAME and not RETURNED to it. This is not good for the game developers! They don't want players to leave their game. They want to keep everyone addicted to the game, and not lose any players. This theory also explains Ash's mission - to kill Murphy. Since the game does not want to lose any players, the game can brainwash elite players like Ash into temporarily leaving the game, and eliminating an "unreturned," or, someone trying to leave the game - something which cannot happen. This theory however, is disproved once Murphy disappears like a virtual player, and when Ash sees the ghost (again) in Class Real. So Class Real is not Reality.

Second theory: The pale yellow world that Ash lives in is reality. The only reason "reality" is pale yellow, and Class Real is in full color, is to show us - the people watching the movie - that the game has created a reality that feels better and more real than "reality" (pale yellow world). In this theory, I supposed that the goal of the movie is to make you think "What if there is a reality more "real" than our lives?" This means Class A and Class Real are "the game", but the world inbetween is "reality". However, this theory is also disproved when Ash talks to Murphy, and he's alive and well. How is it possible for Murphy to be communicating to Ash, "alive", through the game, when, in reality, he was laying in a hospital bed and NOT hooked up to the game in any way? You could argue that the Murphy she saw in Class Real is a simulated version of Murphy built by the game, but that wouldn't really make sense. Theory disproved.

Third theory: Since Murphy disappeared like a game character in Class Real, although it's closer to "reality", it's still part of the game. This may mean, more simply, that there is no escape from the game. For example, the pale yellow world could be like a game's chat lobby before you actually enter a game room (and therefore it's not "reality"), and Class A/B/C/Real are all parts of the game as well - there's no escape - not one that we, the viewers, get to witness at least. Everyone is rotting in VR chairs or matrix tubes somewhere, maybe similar or different to the chairs they use in pale yellow world. "Reality" in this theory, we never even get to see. The game "Avalon" then, may even have a different name in "reality", or it's not a game at all, and everyone's just stuck in tubes against their will, maybe as some experiment to find the most intelligent "players" or whatnot.

Fourth theory: This is the theory that kind of makes me mad if it's true. There is no concrete explanation and the movie was intended to make the viewer imagine their own explanation. (just like what I'm doing now and others have done)

What do you think..?

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I actually went for the first theory and still think it's the idea that makes the most sense. It also adds a lot of tragedy to the film, especially if it turns out that Ash is brainwashed to such an extend that she imagines Murphy 'dissolving' and imagines the ghostgirl at the end. (Although there is not much exposure of this brainwashing, other than the song explicitly mentioning Avalon as an imaginary place. The kind of heaven martyrs and warheroes go to.

The funny thing is that I suspected this plotline somewhere halfway along the film through some amazing style-techniques like in the secondary gameworld (the world Ash thinks is real), none of the extras in the background move more than an inch. They are just that: extras, cardboard pieces.

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I just saw the movie and I think that the director intentionally didn't explain what exactly happened. Why I think that is because the film feels a lot like some Japanese sci fi animations.

Because there is no concrete explanation I think this what makes this movie only average. There is no innovation or originality by witholding the explanation from the viewer.

As far as color. I think its meant to trick us that class real looks most realistic to us. But we shouldn't assume it feels most real to the movie's charcters because in their world from beginning of the film we can't know whether they have a notion of "full color"

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I agree with the idea that the director didn't want to explain everything. And I also agree that this choice make this movie average. It was one of the most boring movie I saw in a long time. Almost from the start, when she gets out of the "game" and go home, I understood that there would be confusion around the realities in which she lives, and I was already bored. Maybe we saw to much of this already in other movies. But we also saw to much movie made by people who aren't able to tell a story and for this reason choose to let the viewer decide by himself what happened...

So what happened? What happened to the dog? What happened at the end? In which reality is she? ... I don't really care... At first, a post apocalyptic world (or something like this) in which people have nothing better to do than playing video games seems a bit too much for me. It just makes no sense at all, mostly because we don't understand where the money they earn comes from. Everybody is so serious... playing video games... Come on, how can we care about the rest? There is no serious context around these so serious characters. It just looks stupid.

Anyway, the question is what happened to the director who brought us Ghost in the Shell? Ghost in the Shell was awsome. Avalon is not. Since there is no explanation of almost anything, this movie is a complete waste of time. I think it's too easy to make a movie in which we are confused by "reality", and bringing no explanation to the confusion is simply unacceptable and lazy.

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