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In the scene toward the end where someone asks her where the cop went and she responds that he's in Maine(?). Did she "blank out" killing the cop the way she did when she killed Embry? Or did she know what she did and was just covering it up? I suspect the former, but I was just checkin'.....
Thanks.
"I offer you this rose...my heart, my soul, my love."
"Love?"
- Legend
It's open to interpretation, but I assumed she was just lying, not that she had blanked out. She's a very, very, controlled person, so she'd be able to suppress any emotions over memories of the acts and be able to lie very convincingly.
"My name is Paikea Apirana, and I come from a long line of chiefs stretching all the way back to the Whale Rider."
i think that she blanked out killing embry and the cop. if she really does remember killing embry, then why did she see him during the investigation?? she killed embry the night he disappeared after the theatre show....and two years later she began to she him and talk to him??? i believe that she is schizophrenic and that is why she thinks that embry has been following her and she talks to him. he is a hallucination.....she killed both the men and has blocked it out of her memory....at least that is what i think
shareI haven't seen this movie in years, but from the way I remember it, Katie kills embry intentionally, but then can't handle what she did, so she blocks it out of her memory. She starts to see him again, when she's asked about him. This is her mind playing tricks on her consciousness, probably so that she's convinced she had nothing to do with him disspearing, and then can lie about it really easily. Then, at the end, when she kills the cop, her mind has convinced her that it's the night she killed Embry, and then she commits murder again, without the guilt. Basically she has no control over her actions.
shareThats basicly it. Yeah it is a somewhat good movie. But on the other hand only in hollywood would a charactor like this fly.
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well, the embry thing, remember, at the end of the performance, he had just yelled at every at the whole audience, everyone and said that he was leaving? and he was too, leaving everyone, the school, the girl, everyone, he walked out after saying *beep* you to everyone, quite literally, (the cop saw it on tape), and he never came back.
they asked everyone who knew him and no one had seen or heard from him. and, as the dean said, he had a history of doing this sort of thing. half the school was divided, half thought something horrible had happened to him, half expected to hear from him in ten years
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what is confusing is that she clearly isnt in control of her actions a lot, her "seeing" embry, and yelling at him is what scares the cop away. theres a lot she just cant control, but the note, from embry that the cop had analyzed, and that he was told was the same person, but that it was a two year old note...that suggests weaving a web....
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also, about why no one looked for the cop, it's not even clear anyone knew he was supposed to be there. he certainly wasnt supposed to get involved with someone in the investigation, and again, she chose someone with a history. someone who's cop car has a breathalizer machine in it, so that he CANT drive drunk. in fact, that night, he bought booze, tried to start the car and couldnt even though hed spit it out, and so he walked to her. so, when he doesn't show up, they will at least know that he was in that city, but his case notes will say that embry was back, and he was drinking and behaving eratically. how on earth will this lead to katie?
eventually, yes, she'll probably get caught. if the bodies are ever found, or if her pattern keeps up.
but, shes so put together on the outside....
<She was supposed to be highly intelligent but it's a bit much>
intelligence doesn't have anyting to do with mental illness. except make you better at hiding it from yourself and others.
hmm.. the way i see her.. she has been betrayed by all the people she has been close to .. her dad who left her when she was very young "..it's one of the first memories i have.." .. then the career guidance femme from her school who discouraged her from joinin all those good schools.. (remember she relates this at the interview she has?).. the interviewer asks her wat she learnt from the situation n she sez she didnt understand the level of loathing the female had fer her or something to that order..
then the scene with embry where he tosses out her notes n her text book.. n the repeated mention of the fact that he didnt think she shud study watever she is studying (i ferget wat it was) n become a singer n move with him to europe..
then the fact that she is so anxious about her thesis n her exams n landing a good job..
the way i see it she was obsessed with her career so much that she wud stand fer nuthing in her way to success.. (remember the scene where she's ice skating n havin a good time with embry n she sees her own self watching disapprovingly.. )
she prolly killed embry cuz she feared he might be takin her awaay from her studies cuz he detested her some way.. then she totally blocked his death out to focus on the one thing that mattered.. she cud be on the same drug that embry was on..(remember the scene where the detective visits the campus lab n is informed by kate's friend that the drug embry used to take made him content n something.. (cant quite remember the words..)).. the shrink she was goin to had given her some drugs as well.. that cud be the reason behind her seeing embry again..
she obviouslee killed the cop cuz again gettin booked fer murder wud stop her from succeeding.. till the time she kills the cop she can see embry so i guess it can be accounted to the drugs she is on, that she doesnt remember anything later..
its been a while since i saw the movie (n i cant remember part of the ending) but i liked her character.. it was very complex n had many facets to it.. very intense n (dont wanna sound like a lit professor) u need to annalyse all the scenes to actually understand wat she is all about.. according to me it wudnt do justice to the writer if u say it was a dumb movie with scenes that didnt tie up..
oh i jes remembered something else..
as far as i can remember she only saw embry whenever she wud take a break from studies.. or wudnt be workin as hard as she wanted to..
like she sees him after that party where she is drunk and feeling all happy n content.. or right after she wastes a whole lecture jes scribbling something in her notebook (cant remember wat it was but i remember she keeps etching it over n over again..).. then she sees him at the library where she decides to nap(the book she looks at before she sees him is "the inferno" meaning hell.. ).. n the time when she feels someone's opening her door n the note that is slipped under her door.. notice how she never sees him when she is studying.. because that part of her blocks everything out completely..
mebbe subconciouslee she is aware of wat she's done but has blocks out those thoughts by working harder..
sorry fer sounding all dull n dreary guys..!:os
She kept writing "I/you have no grace" which is what embry said to her just before she killed him
ONE QUESTION - I don't know if someone has already asked and answered this, but, did we ever find out what happened to harry??
ok one question
if embry was killed, then what happened to Harrison? did Katie kill him too? and was she hillucinating at that place she took the detective too in the middle of the movie?
ok maybe thats three.
It was previously stated somewhere on this board that Harrison was shown at the end after graduation? I must have missed that part though. I do remember Katie sitting with a bunch of people but I don't remember him being in that scene. He supposedly said he was away someplace with no specifics. But if Katie only killed those who left her, I guess she wouldn't have killed him right?
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He told the group of friends that he had been hiking and gotten lost and had to be helped out by the state police.
shareYeah he was sat with the group at the end and it was him that asked her about the cop and what happened with him and her.
sharedont wanna sound like a lit professor
Don't worry, you are not sounding anything remotely like a lit professor, or even close to being literate.
The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Samuel Beckett
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And I have a question:(possible spoilers):
Okay so basically she killed her boyfriend and made it look like he ran away and she imagined he was away for 2 years and now magically he's back and then she kills the cop??
In other words -- all the sh-t the viewer sees is inside her brain??
Yeah pretty much. I suggest watching the movie again
shareHaving watched the film again, I really think Katie "blanked" out killing the cop, just as she did with Embry. The uncomfortable way she explains when asked where the cop was....could be that she blanked it out, or that she knew and covered it up.
But watching her in her interactions with others during the film, I didn't get the impression that she could do something like that "knowingly" and then not feel guilty. I think she was just a mentally ill amnesiac here.
"I offer you this rose...my heart, my soul, my love."
"Love?"
- Legend
I just watched this film last night and she looked almost confused when her friends asked her where the cop was. She said, "I think he's in New Hampshire or something." She had a pretty puzzled look on her face. It seemed like she genuinely didn't know. I think she definitely blocked out the memory. I got the impression that she's seriously disturbed but has no idea. Even at the end when she's seeing Embry and almost seems to be confusing the cop and Embry she starts to look panicked, like she doesn't understand what's happening around her.
shareKatie can not handle rejection. Her Dad did it and so did Embry. She is looking for love from those who can not provide it for her. When she kills the cop she is confusing reality and her past. I think when the cop said that they weren't going away and that they would get her help she thought it was Embry and unwittingly killed him as she remembered her past. Then she blocked it out almost like she has a split personality that takes over as soon as she is rejected. Katie chooses men who are in positions of authority over her and can take care of her. Embry is her conductor, Wade is a Cop, the guy at the end appears to be her boss. She is the one that starts things with Embry and Wade. She rejects those that pursue her and are not in power positions (Harrison and her counselor).
shareThe commentary kind of said that the end is left up to interpretation. I hate that! So I assume because her new boss didn't want to continue dating her that he will end up dead too.
shareKatie can not handle rejection. Her Dad did it and so did Embry. She is looking for love from those who can not provide it for her. When she kills the cop she is confusing reality and her past. I think when the cop said that they weren't going away and that they would get her help she thought it was Embry and unwittingly killed him as she remembered her past. Then she blocked it out almost like she has a split personality that takes over as soon as she is rejected. Katie chooses men who are in positions of authority over her and can take care of her. Embry is her conductor, Wade is a Cop, the guy at the end appears to be her boss. She is the one that starts things with Embry and Wade. She rejects those that pursue her and are not in power positions (Harrison and her counselor).
also, about why no one looked for the cop, it's not even clear anyone knew he was supposed to be there. he certainly wasnt supposed to get involved with someone in the investigation, and again, she chose someone with a history. someone who's cop car has a breathalizer machine in it, so that he CANT drive drunk. in fact, that night, he bought booze, tried to start the car and couldnt even though hed spit it out, and so he walked to her. so, when he doesn't show up, they will at least know that he was in that city, but his case notes will say that embry was back, and he was drinking and behaving eratically. how on earth will this lead to katie?
Here's my theory: Katie does not remember murdering Embry or anyone else, because "she" did not kill them.
I believe Katie suffers from Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality), perhaps brought on by the traumatic experience of her father leaving when she was very young.
A different personality emerges as she is singing in front of the choir. Watch her eyes. This is not the same studious person who only sings in the shower. A brilliant, confident, sharp tongued person emerges in the interview...quite different from the overwrought, overburdoned student.
Why hasn't the psychiatrist picked up on this yet? Perhaps, the same personality has attended all the sessions, so far. Medication was prescribed, but I didn't see any doses taken.
I saw three distinct personalities in Katie, there may have been more.
Does the title refer to Katie feeling abandoned, or to Katie abandoning one personality for another in order to emotionally deal with particular situations in her life?
I found the movie fascinating, an updated Sybil with a darker side.
wow, gcs1 that is a very well-thought out interpretation. that is how I was thinking when i rented the film last week. She does create different "fronts" when she is around different people/settings. Composed and well-spoken during the interview process; but crying and at the breaking point during therapy and then suddenly being in control near the end of the sessions. But freaking out when she is looking for Embry with the cop. When i rented the film, i found it to be fascinating. I love any film or literature that has to do with the mind.
sharewhy did it take 2 years for the cops to start looking for embry?
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I agree. That is a very good theory. I think she suffers from MPD too.
In addition to the scenes you mentioned, I think she showed a sign of it during the job interview. There was no sign of the mousy, insecure Katie there either.
She was confident, articulate, and even a bit brazen.
"I'd say this cloud is Cumulo Nimbus."
"Didn't he discover America?"
"Penfold, shush."
Multiple Personalities? I had not thought of that but watching the movie again it does make sense. I don't get critics who attack it, I enjoyed the movie.
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