Boring..


They seemed so nonchalant about murdering all of those people... the world is a bad place sometimes.

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yes my friend i felt the same way....so horrible and calculating....

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Horrible and calculating, yes.

But boring?

This was basically a reanactment of actual events.

Short Cut, Draw Blood

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It was NOT a reenactment.

How can it be a reenactment if no one knows for sure what was said in this meeting.

Enjoy the movie. Don't take it as fact please.

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They found documents, and Eichmann testified about some of it.

Check the trivia section.

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They found ONE document, an irrelevant one

Eichmann testified under duress

Check out something besides a simple trivia section

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another nazi revisionist

the allies didnt slaughter enough of you

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Enough Nazis or enough revisionists? Revisionists came later--on both sides of the story.

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You assume Eichmann testified under duress. If you have proof, please post your references. Eichmann was drugged, but that was just to get him out of Argentina. If Eichmann did fabricate the story under duress, then why did he continue with the "I was only following orders" line throughout the trial.

This document was not irrelevant. It is one of thousands of documents that survived the war and TOGETHER with other documents and testimonies of both survivors and perpetrators, show how this was all progressed and executed. This document may have been the one that linked involvement at the highest level in a surviving document, the meeting being initiated by Goering who at the time who was number 2. One of the most telling invitees to this meeting was Lange, who as lead for one of the Einsatzgruppen was one of the senior officers responsible for the executing, (pardon the pun), mass shooting program which had become inefficient, costly, and hard on the men performing the shootings. Lange was invited to convey these issues as someone who was performing them in the field. I ask you, why else would Lange be there if it were not to discuss more efficient methods of extermination, and why a different method is required? Are you proposing that the SS thought, "Well going village to village shooting all of the Jews is getting costly, maybe we should just setup a new country for them and let them live a wonderful life there...??" That theory is illogical and makes zero sense.

The horrors of this Holocaust did not proceed quite as cleanly and efficiently as many believe. As the war progressed and changed, the SS were trying all sorts of things, some under the orders of senior SS leadership in Berlin, and some that regional SS leaders came up with and implemented on their own, like Hoess who ran the Auschwitz camp over a couple of iterations. You can read his autobiography also, but I suppose that was written under duress as well. Oh and the diary of Johann Kremer, medical doctor at Auschwitz, which was written BEFORE the war ended and BEFORE he was captured by the allies, which described the Special Actions he was involved with at Auschwitz which was then corroborated during his trial. I suppose that diary is also a fake, and he testified under duress as well...

So yeah, if you want to look at each document individually in a vacuum they can be picked apart and perhaps don't answer every question, but put tens of thousands of surviving documents, (perhaps hundreds of thousands), then combine testimonies together and it's irrefutable.

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And thus the horror.

This film has many subtleties - who backs who - veiled threats - who is horrified but can't show it - those hiding their own secrets - the different personalities. Great acting - good script. While I can't say I enjoyed this film, it is intriguing.

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"Nonchalant about murdering all those people"

Seems odd, doesn't it?

Seems we have to adjust our understanding of human nature to accommodate the villains of the Holocaust story

but these "boring" people were nothing compared to the Communists who bloodied up the entire 20th century (the Bolsheviks, the Young Turks, Mao's Chinese, the Khmer Rouge). I bet they were a lot less "boring," too...

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Read Hannah Arendt's "Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil" (1963). It's all about making the unthinkable thinkable, after which it becomes just another policy. Another study everybody should read about is the one on the Stanford Prison Experiment, http://www.prisonexp.org/.

One thing this is not, is "boring". It is startling and disappointing hear anyone use that term.

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