Which is better?


I really love The Talented Mr Ripley and I was wondering if Ripley's game is better than it or not. What do you think? Should I bother seeing it? Which is the better one in your your opinion?

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I have just seen Ripley's Game and I think you cannot compare the two movies. They are both very good, stories are well told and actors deliver pretty fab jobs all round. Go see it, it is definitely worth your time.

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How are we supposed to see it? I've been waiting for months to see it, but it was never released theatrically. It was also never released on VHS or DVD. How have all the people on this website seen the movie already?

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It had a release in Europe. If you're an American who has digital cable, you could have seen it on the Independent Film Channel. I just saw it tonight, thanks to the IFC.

I think the Minghella film starring Matt Damon is a richer film, mainly because it so effectively conveys Ripley's inner life. You get a strong sense of who the young Ripley is, and what desires drive him. This time, Ripley is an inscrutable character.

He now deals in art forgeries; and in the opening scene, after a prospective client tries to brush him off, Ripley kills the security man because he handles the artwork in his attempt to hurry Ripley out of the office. What fuels this hair-trigger temper? Later, an old acquintance comes to ask him to bump off some gangster business rivals. Ripley isn't interested, but out of a cold sense of fun he tells the man to contact a neighbor who has a terminal illness and also unfortunately had once insulted Ripley at a party. What makes Ripley so sensitive to insult, and so vindictive? Is he psychopathic; if so, why does he choose to help the neighbor he's set up once he sees that the man is in over his head?

His motivations aren't often clear. You don't learn much about him besides what's on the surface. The story is driven by the action. It's a good story, and Malkovich's portrayal of the older Ripley is faithful to how I remember him in the novel; but the character depth in this film just isn't as rich as that in The Talented Mr. Ripley.



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Ripley's game is much better.

John Malkovich is perfect as Ripley, a cold, sympatethic man.

Matt Damon, not so much.


Some people thought Damon didn't look the part (big teeth and all),

Matt's portrayal as a gay Ripley is distracting.

Tom is actually a social chamaleon

Sexual preferences will change according to his social needs.


Then you have Alain Delon's in "Plein Soleil",

He was the original and talented Mr. Ripley

and also better than Damon.


In Ripley's game you can see some magnificent European landscapes

And that's just beautiful to watch.


In this small town, Ripley is the rich guy and eveyone knows everybody...

That makes people jealous, because they're all neighbors, some poor, some rich

However, he doesn't forgive and forget those who make fun of him for being rich.

That's a lesson Malkovich's Ripley teaches to everyone in this movie.



The agony of foreknowledge combined with the impotence to do anything about it

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So far, I like every version of Ripley to come along. I know many will disagree with what I am about to say. I feel that John Malkovich was born to play Ripley. This film which went straight to video in the US, captures one his best performances. He commands the role and I was blown away by his intensity in it. Give this film a chance.

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Um well, this, um, film, "Ripley's Game", is completely well, awful. It's a movie about...nothing. Here's the (probable) history on how this movie got made: John Malcovic walked into a meeting with a producer, had a book in his hand and said, "I think you should make this movie, and put me in it. Also, we could get that guy from MI 2, Doug Ray or whatever his name is. He's English, or Scottish or Irish or something. Maybe Greek. And then we film it on location in Tuscany, and of course Berlin because, well, I've never been to Berlin. And we can get that guy from "Sexy Beast"...can't remember his name...Salem, Kool, Winston. Yeah, Winstone, that's it. He can play one of the bad guys. But that's it. Nobody else with a big name. I think we can save some money by not hiring a Director of Photography too. I mean, let's just open the camera in Italy okay? It should be beautiful enough, yeah? Oh, and also, Art Directors bug me, so don't hire any of them. Let's see, what else...oh right. Let's make it completely unbelievable by making the characters as neighbors, one of whom has a massive, Napolean-style villa, the other who can't make ends meet, even though he has a rather expensive, Italian designed sofa. By the way, I want that sofa when we're through filming."

Or not...

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Come now. Wouldn't you say that you are a bit harsh about this movie? I thought it was rather a well made, though quiet production. It is perhaps because it is a European film, that it might not appeal to all audiences. Malkovich (not ..vic..) was rather stunning in the role of an older Ripley (In some scenes his smile is even a bit like Damon's - but that's just by the way) with his quite cold and masterfully understated delivery; I simply could not imagine the meeting-with-producer scenario that you picture. What is the problem of the characters being neighbours - living far enough apart to drive there with a car, by the way - and one beeing poor, the other rich. Concerning the sofa - it is not mentioned how he got it - it might have been a present.
All things considered your comment seems to me rather, um, sort of , um, conceited and unintelligent. Why don't you just try to make a film like this and shut up in the meantime. (Should you have produced some film of an equal quality, you may regard my comment as meaningles.)

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Which is better? The best version is The American Friend (1977) by Wim Wenders.

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This movie is definitely a better representation of the Ripley character and his world than the Hollywood production, in which Matt Damon was completely miscast.

It's carefully and methodically paced, and beautifully shot. One warning, though -- it's an adult movie, definitely not for those fond of the Hollywood sensibility.

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I think Ripley's Game is a MORE ACCURATE representation of the the book's Ripley character, but not even close to being a 'better' one. I think Matt Damon gave the character incredible depth and empathy. The character was driven by a desperate desire to be loved, whether by a man or a woman, and he would do anything, I mean anything, to get it! This kind of passion is what motivates real human beings; and I think many people could relate to this character and root for him even though he does some terrible things. I don't really give a *beep* about John Malkovich's Ripley (even though I really enjoyed JM, playing the part as only he can). He's one-dimensional, but Malkovich pulls it off. As far as Matt Damon being "completely miscast." I strongly disagree. I think Damon was brilliant and took incredible risks and made high-stakes choices. The scene with him and Jude Law in the bathroom playing chess, and when Law catches Damon prancing around in his clothes. Not to mention him sleeping in the boat next to someone whom he has just killed (I won't say who). He still loves this person even after just murdering them! And it's totally believeable. Plus his letter to Marge 'for a rainy day.' Damon had a vulnerability that was endearing, yet a cold intellect that convinced the viewer that he (Ripley) would find a way out of the situation, regardless of how hopeless it appeared. In my opinion, Matt Damon's finest acting performance on film. As good as he was in GWH, he is superb in TTMR. An Oscar-worthy performance. Forget Bourne Identity, Damon needs more roles that capture his depth and versatility. BTW the whole cast was incredible, with Damon at the top.


"You NEVER open your mouth til you know what the shot is."

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There is no comparison, but not, in my opinion, because they are both 'really great movies' as someone else has commented. RG is not a bad movie, it's just not anywhere close to the masterpiece of TTMR; nor does the older character in RG remotely resemble Matt Damon's Tom Ripley. I'm told that the book's Tom Ripley is much colder and unloveable than the movie, and I believe that RG has followed that path. Young Tom is incredibly passionate, old Tom is quite passionless. I really like John Malkovich and I think he did a great job. If you liked Dangerous Liasons or In the Line of Fire, you should see this; if you're looking for TTMR part 2, STAY AWAY. In my honest opinion, the production house needn't have bothered with buying the rights from the book's author Patricia Highsmith. The two don't even resemble each other aside from the character's name, location in Italy (mostly) and his aristocratic lifestyle. Tom Ripley was NOT a hitman, he killed out of passion. The one time he was cold about it was when he killed Freddy Miles, whom he loathed. He killed Dicky out of hurt and anger, and Peter Smith-Kingsley out of necessity, but he was crying while he was doing it. The older Ripley kills simply because he can. I don't believe that Ripley would have been married, though. Probably a series of lovers as his interests and pursuits took him to different physical and emotional places. At the very least, his wife or male partner would have been someone interesting and captivating. Malkovich's wife is charming, but not very compelling. They simply could have changed Tom Ripley's first name to something else, left everything else the same (incl. title) and not even bothered with the book rights




"You NEVER open your mouth til you know what the shot is."

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i liked RIPLYS GAME better because john malkovich is great as riply i rate this as one of johns best movies i'v watched it many times and still crack up at the same bits

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In my opinion there is no comparaison possible between both movies. The only line of argumentation i can expose is what they made me feel when I saw them. When I watch The Talented (i see it regulary) I feel captivated, charmed, lost in Ripley´s world and psycho. Minghella and Matt made the audience feel sympathetic with a killer, love him. I just worship that movie, every single picture of it, every bit.
I only watched the Ripley Game once and I was wondering why did I ever rented it. Imaging adorable troubled Tom becoming that cold killer is a Talented Mr. Ripley fan nightmare. John Mlkvc does a great job... nothing else to highlite.

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Talented Mr. Ripley without question, well at least for me. Matt Damon was amazing, Gwyneth Paltrow was excellent, and Jude Law, who I don't care for, did a very respectable part. The cast for Talented Mr. Ripley can't be compared. Sry for all who liked Ripley's Game better.

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I would have to say Ripley's Game. John Malkovich has always done a great job with playing this type of mysterious roles (ie In the Line of Fire). I love Matt Damon as an actor but Malkovich did a better job as Ripley. However, I do agree that the cast was weaker in Ripley's Game.

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I believe that John Malkovich was awesome in this movie, no one else could have played that part better in my opinion.

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Imagine a movie where the morose and distasteful become cheery and tasteful, a movie that will literally pull you into every scene, all with superb acting by John Malcovich as the delightful Tom Ripley and equally superb acting by Dougray Scott with raw European city scenes, if you enjoyed "Serial Mom" and add quite a bit of Hitchcock a la film noire then Ripley's Game will be right up your alley.....

Alan R.

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