MovieChat Forums > Chaos (2001) Discussion > what is serreau saying in this movie?

what is serreau saying in this movie?


Is this a film against men?
About class divisions?
Race?

how does it compare to La Haine for example? (if at all?)

reply

I think not so much against men, but rather against establishment values that are based on class distinctions and are evidenced in the subtle and not-so-subtle ways that we deal with opposite sexes, different races, different socio-economic classes, etc. We live in a very class-driven society (all over the world!) whether we like it or not. Money, race, sex and status all come into play in everybody's lives. We are all jealous of anybody who is richer than us, more beautiful than us, lives in a nicer house than us, has an easier job than we do, has more food than we do, gets laid more than us, etc.

It's all about class divisions, and the hatred and jealousies that it inspires. The Communists tried to stamp out class, but they failed miserably. The Communist system was rife with elitist priveleged-class mentality, and the abuses that it entails. Stupid effin' commies.

Just look at North Korea. Everybody in that God-forsaken country is nearly starving except for the inner circle of elitist communitst apparatchiki who inhabit the capital and suck up to the ass hole of that weird, twisted little dictator, Kim Il Sung. What a travesty. Beautiful country inhabited by a bunch of twisted little obedient robots. But they won't be offended by this because they aren't allowed to have the Internet over there, so they will never read this anyway.




reply

But didnt you notice that all the men were crappy? Not one sympathetic one in the whole film... and all easily manipulated (regardless of their social status - from malika's rich old man; to helenes husband etc). I thought it was less about socio-economic divisions, more about womens solidarity (against men to some degree).
After all, Malika and Helene become great friends, although they are from complete opposite backgrounds, with the former - a poor arab-french young woman, and the latter - a middle-class, white, slightly older woman.


I got a feel that it was simply against injustice and the lack of communication between men and women - like when Helene lies to her mother in law, covering for her husband, and realises her son and his girl do the same thing to her.

And then when Malika goes home, and her brothers are not at all happy to see her. She bribes them to be able to get close to her sister, who was being sold into marriage (does that really happen in Algerian culture too??)

reply

Yes, I believe the message is that the men are pigs!

reply

With some insider information, the director of this film being a femenist all her films have an overtone of Men being evil in a sense.

However, watching this film, to me shows a view of the situation of how other cultures are treated in France. I mean, any person who has a concern for others well beings is clearly good at heart while a lot of the people in the film generally treated Malika/Niemi with discontente. You look at the familly structure, her father tried to sell them off to Algerian men. Her mother was treated like crap. Her familly lived in reasonably small housing. The pimps treated her terribly. It wasn't a pleasant life. It seems that the french just watch on while the underbelly of society rots from within.

As seen when Helene and her husband are in the car as Malika gets beaten up.

reply

It's a movie about all three, gender divisions, class division, generation gaps and race division in Modern France. The people in the movie only come together because they're women.
The movie definitely isn't kind on men, there isn't a single one to redeem the others. The nicest man in the entire film is the old man who leaves his entire fortune to Malika as payment for her as a prostitute and he's weak, easily manipulated and pathetic.
The movie also somewhat shows the class line between the rich Parisians and the populations from the suburban "ghettoes". But that part is not as developped as it is in La Haine.
And race is there too. It makes sense in the film that Malika should be Northern African. But again that is only touched upon and not entirely developped.

The main theme is definitely the oppression of women. A scene that shows this is when Malika attempts to go for help at the SOS Racisme office (the anti-racism association in France) and they throw her out.

That movie could be considered somewhat messy because it literally packs a bit of everything in terms of issues. You can also see the plights of motherhood, the issues around human trafficking, friendship and love, etc... But strangely enough that is actually what makes this movie such a good one. It talks about everything.


You can compare it to La Haine in so far that both deal with the fringes of French society that are forgotten in the surburban ghettoes. But the comparison ends there. In terms of style, story and all the other issues dealt with, there is nothing to compare. I would had that in terms of quality, La Haine is far superior. That said, maybe it isn't fair to compare La Haine to any other French films. In my mind, La Haine is probably one of the best if not the best French movie ever made.


Just for the record, I am French myself, although I've been living in Ireland for over 5 years.

Eibhlinn Savage

[insert movie quote]

reply

What I like about it is that it explores all these themes, not in a dry context as one might expect, but through the execution of an intricate, twisty plot about revenge and redemption that has shades of The Count of Monte Cristo.


Welcome to Costco, I love you...

reply