Grimes (MacGregor)


How did the MacGregor character end up going to a battle zone? I got the impression he was a clerk who had never seen battle and wasn't expecting or expected to. Anybody know or am I just ignorant?

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As I recall, the actual person the character was based off of was fully Ranger-qualified but had been relegated to a staff-type position. When Dale Sizemore was found to be injured (guy with the cast on his arm), Grimes (blanking on the dude's real name) filled in. You're not entirely wrong, but really none of them had seen battle to that degree before, at least none of the Rangers...

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Grimes was actually Stebbins. Stebbins is currently serving prison time for the rape of his daughter.

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You must keep close track of this stuff. That's a very disturbing thing to hear. So was Stebbins a clerical soldier in the real incident? I like Mark Bowden as a writer, and I imagine his recounting of the story uses the actual names of the soldiers.

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I read the book and love the film. I have kept up on some of the men such as Kurt Schmidt who was the one who tried to save Jamie Smith's life at the first crash site.... Wolcott's Super Six One. I also have to say that I really felt deeply for both Gary Gordon and Randy Shughart who were the Delta Operatives who were killed at the second crash site .... Durant's Super Six Four. Yes it was John Stebbins who was the one played by McGregor in the film. He was a coffee "nut". The book does use all the real names. There were three that were changed explicitly for the film. The first of course was John Stebbins who became Grimesy played by McGregor. The next was Cribs in the film played by Steven Ford. The real guy was Lee Van Arsdale who at the time of the film's production was still on active service and therefore because of the nature of his work couldn't be named directly. So his name was changed. The other was Eric Bana's character of Hoot Gibson. The real life man was John Macejunas (pronounced Mace-whonas). The reason his name was changed was due to the face Macejunas was still on active service and under deep cover. But yes Bowden does use all the correct names because most of those involved helped him in his research for the Philadelphia Inquirer, which is where the original article came from.

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Thanks. One of the first scenes is Grimes getting a grunt on the books with the platoon (pardon me if I'm using Army jargon incorrectly), and he makes it clear he's only a typist. Doesn't surprise me he had the requisite training, but I was surprised he was trusted to be able handle a live-fire zone. Maybe they never expected to have to leave the helicopter.
Interesting movie, as far as being an ensemble piece with a lot of confusion going on, and seemed pretty realistic.

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Funny story about the filming of one of "Grimes'" scenes. In the one where Grimes is running through the street and the wall is exploded beside him, the stunt for that scene was performed by original Ranger John Colette. Colette was known to be a bit of a nutbar in terms of his nature. He was one of the technical consultants along with Danny McKnight (played in the film by Tom Seizmore), Tom Matthews (air support command chopper played by Glen Moreshower in the film), and Matt Eversmann (played by Josh Hartnett in the film). Well the stunt team was rigging up the squib for the explosion and Colette asked if he could do it. Everyone agreed and when you see the explosion and the solider falling that is John Colette in for McGregor. Colette was one of the ones tied down at the first crash scene (Wolcott). Just a bit of trivia. As for the reason Stebbins was allowed in combat, he was a Ranger full stop. He was trained in combat. I believe that in the film was just an exposition scene where we learn or don't learn anything about the soldiers. Everyone of the Rangers was expected to leave the choppers because they were acting as police for the target building and street for when the Delta Boys (D-Boys) went into the target building. Same with Todd Blackburn (Orlando Bloom). The film was as realistic as you can get. I do suggest you getting the three disc bluray of the film. You'll have three documentaries on the raid featuring interviews with many of the men involved including Keni Thomas, John Colette, Tom Matthews, Matt Eversman, and Lee Van Arsdale. That is the third disk and includes a PBS documentary, a History Channel original documentary on the "Real Black Hawk Down", and one more. Can't remember the title at the moment. The second disc contains all behind the scenes stuff including the training the actors went through at Ranger School, and the training the D-Boys underwent, as well as interviews with Ron Eldard who played Durant. The documentary also features many of the real life people. It's really good. The first disk includes two versions of the film plus audio commentaries by Ridley Scott, Jerry Bruckheimer, Mark Bowden, and Ken Nolan who wrote the screenplay. The other is one from Tom Matthews, Lee Van Arsdale, Matt Eversmann, and Danny McKnight who do an historical commentary. That one is my favourite. They share a lot of information about the raid and the part where Shughart and Gordon are shot is pretty visceral for the men.

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Cool info man! I know one of the Rangers who served there, and while I won't name him now, he is one of the nicest guys you could meet... until you set him off into "go" mode (we train martial arts together)! Also, he told me once that, while he thought the movie was pretty good and was very glad that it brought awareness to their story, he said that they didn't come close to accurately depicting the amount of incoming fire the Americans experienced!

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I'm only going to ask was he a Ranger or a Delta Operative? As for the depiction of the event, no movie can accurately depict what could happen in those kinds of situations. Though it can give us a way of understanding it, it can never truly show us just like Saving Private Ryan, Full Metal Jacket, or any other war film. Thanks for the conversation.

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Agreed. He was a Ranger. He is interviewed in the book, was a minor character in the movie (at least compared to others who had more screen time), and has done local interviews / talks about it. Cool guy! I've known him for probably over 4 years (and most likely seeing him in an hour for class), and other than his high-and-tight haircut, you wouldn't guess that he is a retired Ranger! Always jovial and smiling!

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Cool. Considering all they went through there I'm surprised they can be in any way jovial. I guess with time comes a modicum of healing. You can tell him for me that their story moved me and that I am very appreciative of his service and their sacrifice.... that is if you want to. Take care Mav.

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Turns out he wasn't in tonight, and we don't much talk about his past, but the reason for his positive attitude is that he believes very strongly in talking it out. He worked for SOCOM Cares (I think that was the name) which is a non-profit that helps vets with PTSD, and one of the things they are into is vets telling their stories as part of their healing. He believes in it and I think that is partially how he is able to cope.

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The clerks in an infantry unit are infantry. Sometimes it's smart guys, sometimes profiles, sometimes pogues. One our best HQ guys was sent there because a rumor started he was CID and no one trusted him. People are stupid. I made friends with the guy and he hauled me out several jams.

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