There is 1 black guy in the entire military. Not even any of the extras were non-whites. One of the guys who just looked like a tan white guy like everybody else had a Hispanic last name, so apparently there were only 2 minorities in the entire military. When I was watching the movie recently this just really stood out to me as weird.
shareDidn't you know? Director Ridley Scott is a known racist and member of the KKK. I haven't read the book in ages but there was only one or two Black service personnel in B Company, 3rd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment and C Squadron (1st SFOD-D) at the time.
Other in the US military might be able to confirm this but most Black enlisted usually request or are assigned to rear echelon MOS jobs like truck drivers and mechanics rather than frontline Grunts. We (ADF) derogatory call rear echelon personnel PONTI's "Person Of No Tactical Importance" and the US Marines and Army called them REMF "rear echelon motherf.ckers" or a Pogue.
But hey just because they they cop sh.t for not being shot at you wouldn't have ammunition, fuel, intelligence etc etc without rear echelon staff.
If you are not willing to give up everything, you have already lost
Read the book; Except for Kurth, nearly all the Rangers were white.
Why can't you wretched prey creatures understand that the Universe doesn't owe you anything!?
The military is not 99% white, and there were well over 100 characters running around in this movie
shareThe US Military is not 99% white...but what about the makeup of the Ranger Companies or of Delta?
Why can't you wretched prey creatures understand that the Universe doesn't owe you anything!?
Today, Blacks serve in the Army at a rate that is higher than their representation in the U.S. population.
Blacks in the U.S Army:
A bit out of date figures but in 2009/10 there was 21% Black Enlisted compared to Whites with 61%, Hispanics at 12% and Others at 6%. For Officers there are only 13% Black compared to White with 72%, Hispanics at only 6% and others at 9%.
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&sour ce=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CC8QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.a rmyg1.army.mil%2Fhr%2Fdocs%2Fdemographics%2FMRA_booklet_10-ARMY.pdf&am p;ei=OatmVLPTE8PKmwXzrILADQ&usg=AFQjCNGMHp9ZPFbBos_RnSzf4Fvv6qYw-Q &sig2=STf36W6I78uLLS7Gt1rH6g&bvm=bv.79142246,d.dGY&cad=rja
but what about the make up of the Ranger Companies or of Delta?
Point is Bubble is that in 'real life' the Rangers of Task Force Ranger were almost all white...I think Kurth was the only Black guy but I might be wrong.
Why can't you wretched prey creatures understand that the Universe doesn't owe you anything!?
Nah mate just a misunderstanding as I agreed with you.
If you are not willing to give up everything, you have already lost
:-) Like Tony Montana would say (in his only G rated dialogue):
"Hokay, Meng!"
Why can't you wretched prey creatures understand that the Universe doesn't owe you anything!?
There are Black people in the Regiment but a lot of the time they are rear echelon.
There were other POC serving as ground staff. Other than Kurth there was I think only one other POC in the actual unit.
shareWell, go tell the US Military to send more african Americans and other minorities to war so when Hollywood wants to make a movie of a battle that there's going to be enough ethnicity in the film for you.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe most, if not all, the Rangers that participated in the battle WERE in fact caucasian?
I don't think Ridley Scott is racist. But would it have been inaccurate to make some of the extras black?
shareI don't think Ridley Scott is racist. But would it have been inaccurate to make some of the extras black?
Yes it would have been inaccurate. Amongst the Ranger's, Delta and Nightstalkers portrayed, interview and discussed in the book upon which this movie is based, there is only one black member.
You're taking a dump and they call GQ do you pinch it off or finish your business?
Ok, there were like 100 different soldiers running around in this movie, are you telling me all 100 of those guys are mentioned in this book?
shareOk let me put this to you in a way a retard can understand:
1. The Real Event happened in Oct. 1993.
2. A few years later Mark Bowden wrote an article in the Philadelphia Inquirer, which was an Interview Type story in a Q & A format. For this article Bowden interviewed around a dozen of the participants, some were Rangers, some were Nightstalkers and a few were Delta.
3. A few years later Bowden took the article and expanded it to a book in a blow by blow 3rd person format based off the interviews notes.
4. A few years later they made Bowden's book into a movie, in a condensed and compressed format.
If there were '100' guys running around in the movie, the number was 3 fold in the book. And yes nearly all of them are mentioned by name and given background. Only 1 of them mentioned in the article, or the book was black. His name was Karth.
Furthermore, there have been several other books written. 1 focuses on the Rangers, 'The Black Sea' one. Another is a conglomeration of about half a dozen POV accounts. And yet another focuses on the 160th written by Durant. Again the only black member mentioned is Karth.
1 of the dead from the operation with the 10th Mountain, Sgt. Houston, was black. He isn't related the TFR though so being that the movie, book and article focus on TFR he obviously is not mentioned, except in memoriam.
Need I explain more? Do you get it now?
You're taking a dump and they call GQ do you pinch it off or finish your business?
So is it a dozen or 100?
"For this article Bowden interviewed around a dozen of the participants"
"If there were '100' guys running around in the movie, the number was 3 fold in the book"
"Another is a conglomeration of about half a dozen POV accounts"
Based on all YOUR information they interviewed a few dozen people, but had way more people than that running around in the movie/book. I don't think you know how many of the "hundreds" of people in this movie/book were black.
Are you hard headed or are you trolling?
So let me see if I have this straight. In order to tell the story they need to talk to every single participant? Nope, not gonna happen. For instance, interviewing Eversmann pretty much covers Eversmann's entire Chalk, as far as names and descriptions go. And then some in fact. Interviewing Cash covers another good portion of the participants. And so on and so forth. There was only one black soldier participating with TFR.
Now STFU already you dim witted fVckstick! I don't know who is worse, the willfully ignorant or the stains like you who think they are smart but are in fact complete idiots.
You're taking a dump and they call GQ do you pinch it off or finish your business?
Yes, I think it is the stains like YOU who think they are smart but are in fact complete idiots.
Apparently you know every single Ranger, Delta, Night Stalker & other miscellaneous characters that were in Mogadishu in 1993. Kudos to you.
You should come back when you can have a real discussion instead of just throwing insults because you can't think of anything smart to say.
They were not regular troops. They were special forces and the amount of black men in specops is very, very little.
shareTell you what: Do a google search for images of the rangers and delta in Somalia at that time. Tell me how many black faces you see.
They did a group shot of ALL of them that is in the book (all the Delta, all the Seals, all the 160th SOAR, and the rangers together). Count the black faces.
Yes
shareI understand that more than half of the characters in the book were left out of the movie. But it is true that very few of these soldiers were black. Probably because blacks are mostly in lower ranks and in inferior units. Experienced soldiers in elite units are mostly white, for whatever reason.
shareYes it would have been inaccurate. Amongst the Ranger's, Delta and Nightstalkers portrayed, interview and discussed in the book upon which this movie is based, there is only one black member.
Only 1 of them mentioned in the article, or the book was black. His name was Karth.
Although the reasons for this are never stated nor explored, Bowden does specifically state that only two members of Task Force Ranger were black...he has a chapter early on where he mentions it as a statistical anomaly.
sharehe has a chapter early on where he mentions it as a statistical anomaly.
That's not what I said...it's a single line within another chapter, early in the book.
shareI was in a Ranger Battalion from 2005-2012. 90-95% of the men in that unit were white. The rest was a mixture of asians, blacks, and hispanics. It's a fact. I understand that is not 1993 but it was the same way, if not more so then. Another fact - most blacks in the military, based on what I saw during my 11 years in service served in support roles and support units. I didn't make it that way. The evil white man did not create that. When you sign up for the military, you choose your job. I don't know why blacks typically don't sign up for combat arms. I also don't really care. When I went to war with guys all of this petty bull**** like skin color just doesn't matter.
Get a life dude.
Maybe for blacks it's the 'career skills in the world' thing, while for White & 'IberoAmericans' it's adventure and 'the macho thing'.
Why can't you wretched prey creatures understand that the Universe doesn't owe you anything!?
There was practically no blacks with in this operation. I don't know the numbers, but I heard 1 to 3 or something. So this is accurately depicted.
shareBecause this is a true story based on real people.
In this case, the overwhelming majority of the US forces were white.
If this were a fake story, using made up characters, you could make them any race you want.
But it just so happened that these men were almost all white.
The link below is to a photo, in Somalia, days before the raid, of the actual Ranger company.
They were almost all white.
http://www.helikits.net/ftp_images/anexos/gal000175/Somalia_1993.jpg
you can find many images on line of the real men that were there.
The movie shows them as being almost all white because that is historically accurate.
Becaues the army should care about the best man for the job, not promoting inferior soldiers just because they're black, homosexual, lesbian, asian, hispanic, does/doesn't believe in god and all that *beep* in civilian society.
If at that time there were less qualified black men than white for ranger and delta force, then you picked the whites.
That's all, no drama required.
Becaues the army should care about the best man for the job, not promoting inferior soldiers just because they're black, homosexual, lesbian, asian, hispanic, does/doesn't believe in god and all that *beep* in civilian society.
If at that time there were less qualified black men than white for ranger and delta force, then you picked the whites.
That's all, no drama required.
The physique for Special Forces soldiers well at least for our SASR Troopers is to be half body builder, half a marathon runner.
That is a bit exaggerated. SEALs in particular, Bodybuilder types and Track Stars typically fail during training. SF, the Army kind, I have seen quite a few that don't stand out at all as overly physically imposing.
At my current command I personally processed over 100 1306s for Special Warfare applicants in FY14 alone. None of them were black.
None of the most well known SASR troopers in modern times fit a body builder mold. Its misconceived. They very much fit the same mold as US SOF in general. Many US SF, UK SAS and Aussie SASR types are fairly normal looking.
Why is SWCC a good example? That doesn't really make sense. Its unrelated to the discussion. Aussies don't have SBTs because the don't have ESG/MEU groups, or NSW power projection needs.
SASR is not the only SOF unit tasked with LRRP. And SASR is tasked with more than just LRRP.
You're taking a dump and they call GQ do you pinch it off or finish your business?
None of the most well known SASR troopers in modern times fit a body builder mold. Its misconceived.
Why is SWCC a good example?
SASR is not the only SOF unit tasked with LRRP.
And SASR is tasked with more than just LRRP.
I have no idea what you are talking about:
"TAB, 1306s, SASR, CMOH, PT, SWCC, SOC-R, RHIB, SF, LHD, SOF, LRPV, FOB, helo, MSR, SCUD, LRRP, FID"
I grew up in a post World War II housing estate for returned soldiers - around men who had spent a couple of years away from home in the Western Desert fighting the Germans and Italians, or a couple of years away from home fighting the Japs in the Pacific, or both. Some spent three years away from home as prisoners of war following the fall of Singapore. My father fought on Gallipoli and in the Holy Lands with the Light Horse; mates of mine served with the regular army and as conscripts in Malaya and Vietnam; a brother spent a long career in the RAAF as a Flying Officer (radio and radar) and two brothers in law enjoyed lifetime careers in the infantry.
None of these fellows talked in terms even remotely like those used here, not one of them - acronym laden, esoteric, insider dialect which does nothing to assist people in understanding more about the subject.