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What was Jessica looking for?


I loved this movie.Jessica's charactor fascinated me.I never believed in this whole bi curious thing.I always believd that one was gay or straight,no inbetweens.Jessiaca was confusing in that she was straight but bi curious having great guilt about it.She thought that sheloved Helen but couldn't give her "all of herself".At the end of the movie I get the impression that she was going to hook up with Josh again.That's quite a rollercoaster to say the least.What did you think that Jessica found in Helen that was lacking in the men she dated?Why did the relationship fail?I think that Jessica was never comfortable with her sexuality.

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I think Jessica was looking for someone that she clicked with, and it turned out to be a woman. That created a lot of consternation for her, given the sexual implications of that, and her own self-perceptions of herself as a straight hetero woman. There is a theme of "never being satisfied" or "never being good enough" that creeps through the film, and Helen seems to be good enough except for the fact that she's a woman.

I think the film rates very poorly in trying to explain exactly why the relationship failed. It makes me think that this feature was not a part of the original script, perhaps. We are given clues ... Helen wants more sex, Jessica says Helen wanted someone who was "more gay". Perhaps these clues add up to a realization on Jessica's part that although she loved Helen she was less than fully engaged with the lesbian sex, and that this made Jessica and Helen incompatible, eventually. Perhaps, but the movie doesn't really say that. Instead, when Jessica is discussing the relationship with her pregnant friend, she describes the sex as great ... so it's a bit of a puzzle as to why, precisely, this seemingly good relationship goes bad. All we know is that, as far as the film is concerned, it goes bad suddenly and shockingly, and without too much explanation. It's possible that Jessica wasn't comfortable with her sexuality (but we don't know this because, unlike what we are told about Helen, the film doesn't really tell us what Jessica's conclusions are about her own sexuality), but it's also possible that Jessica was just not as sexual a person in general as Helen, and that on this level they were sexually incompatible -- not because the sex was lesbian but because their general sexual appetites were very different. But the film doesn't tell us any of this, and as a result I think that is a flaw in an otherwise entertaining film.

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The film definitely rates very poorly in explaining why the relationship fails. And that's just the point why I disliked the film overall.

Don't get me wrong. In a way I liked it very much but the end is awful. I watched this film and thought in the beginning: "Oh, wow, this film is quite liberal, regarding that it is a "Hollywood-Film"!" Well I'm from Germany, just to explain this thoughts ;)

After all the film made a bad turn. Though all of Jessica's friends and her family were quite ok with the thought that Jessi has a lesbian relationship, and even Jessi herself seems to be very happy, Jessi and Helen break up. Reasons? Helen wants to have more sex. Jessica doesn't. Well, that's ok. That's really a point for breaking up a realtionship. BUT, as mentioned above, isn't it possible, that Jessi just isn't such a "sexual person" as Helen is? Will she date Josh, will they have a relationship AND will she have sex more often with Josh than she had with Helen???

These are questions the film doesn't answer. And thus, in my opinion, the message of the film is: Thinking of (sexual) relationships to persons of the same sex like yours is only a temporal distortion of your mind, it is abnormal and getting back on the straight hetero road is the only thing that can make you happy. Very poor ending!

Well, of course there's another possibility in interpreting this film: You're the one to decide what's the best for your life. Just do what you feel happy with. And if you trie to be different, just because you think it might be fun, and you don't like it get back to "normal business".

I think, anyone should do what he/she want's to do, especially regarding sexual relationships. But there's one thing that makes me crazy. "Kissing Jessica Stein" is a film. And there are a lot of people watching it. And this film is about non-hetero love. And in the end Jessi seems to be very happy with the opportunity of dating Josh. Oh my God, she's so conservative. She's happy to be normal at last. That's just what the average viewer wants to see: Being normal, being average is good. And that's just the problem I have with this film. [ironic] Thank God, Helen broke up with her, so she can can get back to normal life at last! [/ironic]


She could have dated another girl!? Nooo, not in a Hollywood-film!
Thinking of a girl/boy telling her/his parents: "I'm gay/lesbian." I can imagine the answer: "Hey daughter/son, didn't you watch "Kissing Jessica Stein"? She also thought she was lesbian, but in the end all turned out good!" :-(

These are just the thoughts I had after viewing this film. Maybe some people think in another way about this film but I am very disappointed. This film could have been much better with an other ending.

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I think that chrissythecat is right. I felt the same way about the film. And I thought the ending was very suitable for the film. Throughout the film it is clear that Jessica is trying to find herself, and trying to make herself happy. Especially when it comes to relationships. Jessica was so lonely and she wanted to "click" with someone, and that person happened to be Helen. She was trying something new, something she never knew she was capable of. Her reason for doing that was to find herself. Being gay is something that you are born with; they say this in the film. It's not something you can just "try on". And for Jessica, she simply (in my opinion) wasn't gay. And Helen wanted someone who was more interested in the sexual aspect of a relationship, than just being intimate, and that being on a friendship level perhaps. Helen ending up with Josh was not a surprise to me, not because it was a Hollywood film, and because it had to be normal, but because the movie foreshadowed it the whole way through. The audience could see that lesbianism wasn't what felt comfortable to her and something that obviously didn't come naturally, but the only way for her to know was to try it. Because a theme in the movie was that you don't ever know how something might be, even if you think you know yourself.

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I agree. They were basically just best friends and roomates, like Helen said. Being gay is pretty much something you're born with. Its biological or whatever. You can't really waver...in my opinion. From my impression, and form the commentary on the DVD, it seemed that helen may have been gay or something......I don't know....never mind.

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I think the trick to understanding J/H's relationship is reviewing the scene where Helen "Kisses Jessica Stein."

They are walking along the street and they see the Hari Krishnas.
Helen says she thinks its wonderful that they are willing to work so hard to find their spiritual enlightenment, and Jessica immediately dismisses it, because to her it seems silly or a waste of time.
Helen then asks how Jessica could possibly know how she would react to every situation without ever experiencing it?
Thats when Helen confronts Jessica's perfectly confortable world by giving her something to experience that she had never experienced before: a kiss from another woman.

Jessica's mouth is a weapon; a bitter, snarky, bad-excuse-making, anti-marinating weapon. It knows less than it wants to admit, but is never afraid of spitting ideas out before her mind has absorbed any possible consequences.

Jessica's mouth gets her into a lot of trouble. She isnt good at lying. And she complains about everything. The words people use, the way they achieve spiritual enlightenment, even how they exercise.
Even complaining about a school play when she was a kid.
(my Favorite Scene, btw, Tovah Feldshuh made this movie!)
One way to get Jessica to basically shut up and experience life, instead of talking about it, is to kiss her! Hey, why not? Its a movie!



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Jessica lost sight of guys that were boring , upsettig, and did not click with her so after all tat she kind of lost sight of men for a while. She broke up with Helen but was still a friend. This looked like she was drawn back to a neutrel field tnat could have gone back to full men. She met Josh and that might of set her back on track. I am not saying she was not gay but bi-curius for a while and still if she would get back into a relatioship with a man. She might even got him bi-curius to get him into menage-a-trios now and then even.

I think Josh would get a chance now.

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Superb film. Jessica was looking for a soul mate but what she discovered was her true self. Did you notice how her character changed?

The relationship failed for the reason that so many do complacency and taking each other for granted.

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Jessica was looking for a soul mate but what she discovered was her true self. Did you notice how her character changed?


I agree. I think the movie is about Rilke's quote: 'It is not inertia alone that is responsible for human relationships repeating itselves from case to case, indescribably monotonous and unrenewed. It is shyness before any new, unforeseenable experience, with which one does not think oneself able to cope.'

When Jessica allowed herself to experience something totally new, she grew and became in touch with whom she really was.

I thought the ending was strange, too, but I can see now that they were never meant to stay together. The movie is not about being gay, but about allowing yourself to fully develop - if they had stayed together, the message would have been something like :'lesbians stay together, because their relationship is better than with men' and that's not true. Not true for most women, anyway.

About Jessica and Helen breaking up: the movie doesn't explain a lot of things, for instance, why did Jessica answer that ad to begin with. I think Helen dumped her, because Jessica wasn't a very physical person and Helen needed more 'action', more passion - it happens. I'm sure Jessica won't be very physical with Josh, either, but this time it'll work because she's ready to accept him (and herself) as he really is.

Zeph

silence is made up of the words that weren't said

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This isn't really a "Hollywood film" It was independently produced for under $1 million US, and then distributed through Fox Searchlight after it was completed. I think it's because of this that they were able to have much more control over all aspects of the film, especially story-wise.

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I think that the movie does a decent job of not sending the message that gay people will just end up back on the "straight" and narrow because Helen is with a woman at the end. I think we all like Helen, and Jessica is still friends with Helen, they're just not dating anymore because it wasn't right for Jessica.

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Ok. So, I am probably getting off the subject here. I have been reading all the messages on this board, and its making me feel a little frustrated. The general opinion here, is that the "normal" way is the "straight way". Why is that? Why can't 2 people be with each other if it makes them feel good? Why does it have to be heterosexual to be normal? Why can't for once, a girl end up with a girl? Why does society have to make a big deal out of something like this? Why does everyone always say that you are "born" gay? Isn't is possible to grow up liking men, and then suddenly you have this attraction to a woman? I know it's possible, because I have had it. I am just tired of people saying that homosexuality is bad, or weird, or whatever.

I know these are a lot of questions and everything, and I am sure everyone has an opionion, but I just wanted to share mine.

Back to the movie, I think that the ending would have been much better if Helen and Jessica ended up together. Or if Jessica found another woman to be with, instead of going the "straight" way.

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I agree!!!

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The amount of sex is what confuses me as well.

Some people are just more sexual and want "it" more then others. It doesn't matter if I were with a guy or girl, I still would tend to have less sex then some (and more then some)...I guess you can say I don't have a large sexual appetite. I.M.O, every relationship starts off extra passionate, with tons of sex, but then that tends to slow down, as time passes.

What happens if Jessica was just not as sexual as Helen? That happens in many relationships...sometimes I have sex seven days a week and then can go almost a month with none, it does NOT mean I do not love or desire my partner any less.

I see the point of the movie and I love it by the way, however that is one thing I didn't completely agree with and I wish they explained a little deeper.


LeeLufa

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I dont see Jessica as a "free-spirit"
Even her own mother saw that her "prefectionism" would ruin her life.
Every character saw it, except Jessica.
She really didn't have that much insight into her attitude toward new things (read: fear), but she was able to know that happiness was missing in her life.

That she momentarilly delved into lesbianism, I dont believe that Jessica was using lesbianism as some kind of frivolous "experiment"; I do not believe that Jessica was that shallow.

I believe she was honestly drawn to Helen, perhaps not because Jessica was actually a lesbian, but because she was so lonely and out of touch with her own needs, that Helen was exactly what she needed: someone unexpected.

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The reasons she gave Joan, were reasons she could articulate because Joan was asking her. Jessica didn't have alot of insight.

She really wasn't as self-aware as she thought she was. And if she did have any insight, she wasn't as good at expressing herself verbally, not nearly as good as she was with her painting.

When Helen asked her how she could possibly know, if she didn't try, Jessica claimed she just knew, but she really didn't.
When she was a girl, she assumed that she couldn't be in a play because she didn't believe the other people who were going to be in it could meet her expectations.

That was the whole point of Jessica "believing" she was suddenly a lesbian.
Helen kissed her, and Jessica automatically thought it meant that she should be gay.

That the sexual relationship failed didn't have to do with her sexuality so much as it had to do with her unwillingness to open up to the world. Yes, she wasn't a lesbian, but the way she looked at spiritual enlightenment and dating in general, showed how frightened she was to try new things, or be tolerant of
different ideas. She had the skill to paint, but never tried to show her paintings until after she met Helen. That had nothing to do with Jessica's sexuality, it had to do with her uneasiness with trying.



"The story opens on these mysterious explosions. Nobody knows what's causing them, but it's upsetting all the buffalo."
-Ed Wood

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The movie doesn't just show Jessica's story. It shows the story of two women who were both trying something new. The reason things didn't work out was because Jessica wasn't gay. She found many things through the relationship though. From the beginning you could tell she couldn't really talk to anyone. Jessica rekindled her passion for art and she had a close relationship with someone. That is what brought her happiness. She was doing what she loved and was able to really talk to someone. Helen on the other hand ended up being gay. It just showed both sides and what each woman learned about herself through it.

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why do either women have to ne gay, why could they just be in love and find that it was more friendship. This has one of the best endings in any "Gay" movie have seen, the moral seems to me that being gay is just being in love and that person happens to be of the same gender. At the end of the movie Jessica finds that she is more suited to for someone else, not nessecarily a man just someone else.

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I disagree with you there, that someone is straight or gay, no inbetweens. I know several bisexual people, they just happen to be attracted to both sexes. I really don't think that there are any extremes. I think that whether you are straight or gay, everyone has at least had a thought about someone of the same sex. It's perfectly normal. Most people tend to lean toward one side though. I'm a primarily gay woman, but I've been attracted to men before. Not often, and not all men, but there have been a few. I don't really consider myself Bisexual, because my attraction to men and women is no where near equal. I think that's how Jessica is, only the opposite. She likes men, but she was also attracted to Helen. She wasn't attracted to all women, just Helen, and it was normal for her.

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IMHO, I think the breakup between Jessica and Helen was foreshadowed right from the start - when Helen attracted Jessica with a quotation by her very favorite poet, which made her overcome her reserve enough to answer a woman-to-woman ad which she otherwise would never have answered. But the Rilke quote wasn't carefully chosen by Helen as a sign that she and Jessica are Destined to be Soulmates. She threw it in there casually at a friend's suggestion, to make her ad sound more sophisticated and garner more nookie (the friend's word, not mine). This sort of symbolizes the fact that Jessica and Helen aren't really alike enough to last...that an initial attraction that turns into quite genuine sexual heat for both of them is destined to fade into friendship, as both of them discover that the other wasn't really the one they wanted as a permanent lover, and both of them revert to their original selves (Helen as sexual adventurer, Jessica her more conventional life), but both of them changed, for the better, by the experience.
If that makes sense.

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I also have been reading all the messages on this board and I am very impressed; everyone has her/his own reasonable point. At first, I also disappointed by the fact that Jessica and Helen didn’t end up together. Well…that’s because I always believe that most women are straight until they are not! But, the end just confused me a little bit. So I try to make my own interpretation to confirm my belief and the followings are what I come up with. First, as it has been foreshadowed, Jessica is not a free-spirit person; she was framed by social expectations: to be perfect is to be normal (straight), to contribute something to society (as a journalist), to have goals in everything she does. She “never plays it by ears” as Helen does. She is what she thinks she should be not what she really wants to be. Being a lesbian is something unexpected and that makes her feels guilty and insecure. In the scenes when she unexpectedly met the pregnant friend in front of the grocery store and then when she made the confession, she was totally freak out. Though her friend and family were very supportive, it was she herself who couldn’t accept it. Does anyone remember the scene when Helen successfully turned Jessica on and one of her boyfriends came interrupting their action. The soundtrack of that scene is called Mad…I think it implies what Jessica thought about what she is doing and that is so NOT her- it is a phase of madness. That’s why she was happy to leave. Second, with all my respect but does it has something to do with being Jewish? Well, I am a Buddhist and I know very little about Judaism also I have never been to any Seder! Could anybody tell me how being lesbian may relate to being Jewish since Jessica seems to be a bit religious…is it some kind of ironic stuff? In brief, I think the ending is what “normal” people want to see… well… Josh and Jess. However, the message, for me, is not that people should “get back on track” being straight but it is that different kind of person make different choices; Jessica is more happy to live with her idea of being perfect while Helen live with her passion. And like corinnethewise has pointed out: the film is not that narrow since Helen is still with a women at the end.
I hope that makes sense for others.

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I think the answer is pretty simple - Jessica was looking for the fictional "perfect" guy. She had dug herself into a rut in that pursuit, which has a wonderful metaphor in her flippant rejection that the Hare Krishnas are seeking nothing higher than "nicer robes". She's so quick to find fault with everything without looking deeper, that she's completely incapable of finding love.

Then the singles ad... Jessica finally sees a glimpse of the perfect person, only it's a woman. However, this glimpse of perfection is enough to encourage her to make a leap out of her rut. She meets Helen, finds a soul mate, and rides off into the sunset...

Well, not exactly. Jessica is straight: not a lesbian, not bisexual, not even really bi-curious. She's found a big part of what she's looking for in a mate, but it's not complete. She only gives in to the physical part of the relationship after she's made an investment in it, by introducing the mysterious Helen to her family. When her family later finds out the nature of her relationship to Helen, she feels a commitment to it (I mean, who would go through the embarrassment of "coming out" and then turn around and say "oh I guess I wasn't gay after all" without a struggle to keep the relationship alive to validate their coming out?)

Jessica and Helen's love relationship is doomed from the start, since Jessica is not gay. However, in the process, Jessica expands her horizons, and is enabled to discard the "perfect guy" blinders that have folded in over eyes, and realize that her love was already there, behind the editor's desk. Love took a circuitous route, but led to happiness in the end.

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This is some really interesting discussion going on here. I too was at first disappointed with the ending, but I talked it over with several people and came to the conclusion that the film, overall, is extraordinarily towards both queer and straight images, as both characters ultimately find what they are searching for: Jessica a liberation of sorts from her neurotic self and the willingness to accept people for who they are, even if that person comes in the shape of a man, and Helen found passion and intimacy with a woman. By the film's end, I couldn't imagine it ending any other way, since Jessica was not gay, in my opinion. If I had to label Helen, I'd say bisexual. But what was so wonderful about the film was how easily it discarded labels; one of my favorite scenes is the one in the junkyard, sexuality truly is fluid.

However, my one quarrel with the film is the coming-out scene with her mother. If Jess is not gay, or only bi-curious, why go to the trouble of that monumental coming-out scene, something so accepting and beautiful that it makes me cry everytime I watch it? Why have the painful realization of Jess' sexuality and then take it back by the end of the film, as she chooses men? That is the only portion of the film that disturbs; Jess' ultimate ending cheapens a beautiful scene. As much as I love that scene, I feel it's rendered almost meaningless by Jess' ultimate decision. Of course, it could be viewed merely as a mother soothing and analyzing her daughter's perfection complex; however, the way in which it is filmed and scripted implies otherwise; it is much more likely and palpable as a coming out scene.

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I don't see that great scene with her mother as a coming out announcement. At no time did Jessica say she was gay or make any such declarations. But she was in a relationship with a woman and that scene is basically her mother letting her know that she knows and is accepting of it. It's a brilliant scene because it is about her mother's acceptance of the relationship, a relationship she was in for several months. I don't feel that the scene is cheapened because she went back to men. Her mother never says anything to make us think that she thinks Jessica is gay. I don't think the scene was ever really about Jessica's sexuality. It was about her relationship with Helen. There's a difference. And it was also about Jessica's relationship with her mother. Her mother is so supportive when Jessica is so clearly confused and distressed. I feel that Jessica and her mother's relationship changed for the better after that moment and it was part of Jessica's evolution, just as her relationship with Helen was.

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"Her mother never says anything to make us think that she thinks Jessica is gay."

She says to Jessica, "she's a lovely girl" or something like that, meaning she knows that Jess and Helen are in a relationship.

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I agree that you are born gay or straight. But, I think most people are forgetting about being BI! Why can't Jessica be bi? You only live once and there is nothing wrong with exploring everything that is out there.
However, someone said before, she is pretty much uncomfortable throughout the entire time she is with Helen; I mean everything about the relationship makes her uncomfortable. So, maybe this was always a sign this wasn't right for her.

I don't think necessarily that the movie is saying how being straight is the "normal" or right way to be at the end of the movie. Although, it would seem like that at first watch. The reason Helen and Jessica break up is because Jessica just isn't into the lesbian sex anymore. I think its clear maybe this phase of her life is over? Not to say, she might never be interested in a woman again. But, then we see that Helen has found a new girlfriend at the end. So, one of them realized they were much happier with women; while the other (Jessica) felt like she was better with Josh in the end. I think maybe she was right.

This movie really highlights all of the possibilities that are out there, without focusing on labels..saying once you are in a relationship with a woman you ARE a lesbian or gay, or whatever. Because in real life its not that way. Nothing is black and white.

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I think Jessica wanted to be loved...I don't think it occurred to her that she might find love with a woman, but Jessica yearned for love and affection and Helen was the first person to come to her with that full throttle.

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