Teribble feelings - brainwash?


I don't really believe in such conspirative stuff, but I had while of watching of this film a strong brain-washing alike feelings.

'Cause if you'll analyze the plot, you'll see the absurdity of the story in present worldwide historical context. I meen, the American president is a pacifist and good guy, and the "Europian president" (?) is an evil guy, who just wait for the next war and for the world domination. Well, I though that was always a stereotypic image of Mr. Pres. Bush. And Europian leaders were often (except UK) against the nonsense of the destruction via war.

The film shows us the Antichrist Europian and - who are the American else than...

I took rental DVD for a day (no I won't buy this terrible film), and I wanted to know, whether bihind of this film there are some sekt (like the cosmic "blockbuster" with Travolta, hehe). And I actually think, there is one, but I cannot identify it. The makink-Of begun with strange image: a guy in hawaii shirt and big beard said: "My dear friends. Jesus Christ told..."

O, my... The whole making-of was just a sermon.

And after this I had really bad feelings - as I would coincidentally be present by an initiation of scientology of so...

Such primitive, meaningless, "stereotypic" (with reversed "stereotypes") film I haven't seen my whole life long. Compared with it, "Terminator" is really pure philosophy.

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Yes, I am bringing this back. I don't think anyone will mind too much since it's not the most active board. I apologize if I do bother anyone.

Now onto my point. The law is that the President of America must be born an American citizen. This means that if someone is born in Rome and has at least one American parent, they can become President.

Thank you, that is all

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No that's not true.

A citizen has to be BORN within a state of the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Clause_5:_Qualifications_for_office
http://www.presidentsusa.net/qualifications.html


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OK, 4 years and change later, but I have to correct you. The US Government says different. According to Section 1401 of Title 8 of the US Code, the following are considered to be natural born citizens.

-Anyone born inside the United States *
-Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
-Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
-Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
-Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
-Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
-Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
-A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Now, I've actually bolded those 2 which actually pertain to the previous comment before yours. This is actually straight from the U.S. Code. It grants citizenship to those born outside the US with only one US citizen parent in not one but 2 cases. Just saying. Straight from the US Code, too.

Never give in. Never give up. Never surrender.

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That's rich. A Christian talking about being uneducated. Hey, first poster; you are right on the money.

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All I can say is:
1.) please learn how to spell
2.) use correct grammer - I have know idea what the point of your post was because I could hardly understand what you wrote.
3.) think your post out a little better

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Lordoftheringbmha deserves an amen, and I'm an atheist.

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The correct spelling of that word is grammAr! Methinks you need to learn to take your own advice. You are right about the fact that it's difficult to comprehend the OP, perhaps English isn't the native language.

Jesus wept.

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Republicans are already trying to pass an amendment to allow foriegn-born citizens to become president in particular the Guvonator of Kalifornia! Also I think many are confused between Rome(City) and Rome(Nation, I think that the book of Revelations is refering to Rome(Nation) and right now that is America.

Revelations is a very confusing book that even Vatican scholars had a hard time understanding. Also another passage in the bible: "Thought will not know the end of time, that is only known to our father God" It has been said that the worl woukd have ended in 1000 AD, 1885 AD, and so on and so on.

Yes I do feel that this end-of-world idea sprouted by right-wing fundmentalists is very Anti-European and Europhobic.

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BTW: As a Buddhist I believe that the end-of-time will not come until the last Buddha(Maiterya) will come to earth but that will be no bloodshed and it doesn't happen for another 432,000 years.

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Jesus is a false prophet. He's not the Jewish Messiah. The Jewish Messiah will:

Unite all peoples of the earth.
Rebuild Isreal for the Chosen People.(Jews)
Create a Paridise for ever.

And it's said that this will happen in his life and that he will never die. The Jesus myth is a mix of life/death deites like Osrisis & Isis and Horus. In fact the mother and child motif in Chrisitanity is similar to the one in the of the myth of Isis and Horus. Isis, like Mary conceived Horus thru immaculate conception. Osirisis was dead inside a coffin of a tree when she concived Horus. Also there are many religions that have rebirth as motif for the gods. Also Buddhism is at least 1000 years older than Chrisianity. In fact one of the Chrisitan saints is a version of the Buddha.

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i think you need serious mental help. when this kind of stuff starts happening, you better watch out. because that means that Jesus is the Messiah and Savior of the earth. and the Antichrist will rule over the revived Roman Empire, thats why they use the EU, because it is the revived roman empire,duh.

don't blame God for the bad things in life,thank Him for the good things.God Bless

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Christanity isn't an old religion anyway. The first monotheistic religion was zoratrianism. The Babylonians were the first society to create an esthalogy in their religion. By the way if you read the legend of Osiris & Isis you'll find out what i'm saying is true:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_of_Osiris_and_Isis
http://judaism.about.com/library/3_askrabbi_c/bl_jesus.htm -Jesus isn't the Messaih. If u need more info ask a local Rabbi.

Christiangirl777: You are what I dislike about christianity: Intolerance and ignorance of others and other cultures.

1) THERE IS NO MENTION OF RAPTURE IN THE BIBLE!!!!! -GET OVER IT!!!! It was
created by a minister in the 1850's
2) The bible says that armegedon will happen only when we belive that it will not happen so each time some preacher mentions a date and time that armageddon will happen the further it will happen. Likewise the belief that Maeitreya Buddha will come when the Dharma is completly forgotton or in Zoarastrainism when the evil religion anilates the Zoastrtians.
3) A-The anti-christ will pose as the reborn Jesus AKA He will be a false
Messaih which I bet most Fundie Chrisitans will folow as God.
B-The antichrist will rule of the new Rome AKA--AMERICA!!!!!!
C-Other People who have fitted the Anti-Christ like Persona's:
Nero,Hitler,Napoleon,Stalin and most of the Popes.
D-They have been predicting the Armegeddon since the late 2nd, 1000AD, During
the crusades and most of the 19th and 20th centeries and the 3rd Millenium.
Please ChristianGirl become more informed and stop listerning to the babble of the false money worshipping prophets like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.

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"and most of the Popes"

Huh?

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Alot of the Christian Estololgist beleive that the Pope will usher in the Anti-Christ or will be the Anti-Christ himself. Many of the doomsdayists beleved that Pope John Paul II was in fact the Anti-Christ because of his almost cult like following but other Popes have been mentioned especailly the Pope During WWII.

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Many of the doomsdayists beleved that Pope John Paul II was in fact the Anti-Christ because of his almost cult like following


Then those doomsdayers were idiots. I doubt the antichrist would forgive a man for shooting him and go vist the guy in prison.

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I know I lose sleep over it, frankly. LOL!

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Yes, actually the Popes are on the list of Many Christians as possible Anti-Christ.

-Mav

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1) Please consider that all the different Christian visions on the end-time are just interpretations of some parts/prophecies in the bible. So the rapture is.
But there are mentions in the bible of something that could be the rapture:
Matth 24:39-41: "That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left."
So don't say there's no mention of the rapture! Merely say that it's not explicitely mentioned...
The rapture was NOT invented in the 1850's! Also in the first century people believed in the rapture! Paul encouraged the Christians in Thessaloniki in a letter to them. These people were waiting for the rapture and they didn't know what to think about all the people who were dying before the rapture finally would come. (1 Thess 4:13-17)

By the way: Why did you mention the rapture??? There wasn't any rapture in the movie, nor was it mentioned before in this thread. I guess the only reason you brought it up was for the sake of bashing ChristianGirl.

2) The bible only says that no one will be able to calculate the exact date and time. It doesn't say that if someone's trying to do that or mentioning a date, it won't happen at all or will happen later.

3)A-Problably some fundies will do that. But problably most of them not... It won't be too difficult to recogize this guy as an anti-christ. A lot of the fundies know their bible, and the bible is full of warnings about false Messiahs! They know who their Messiah is: Jesus Christ!
B-Most of the Christian Estololgists believe that the new Rome will be a new European Empire, maybe the European Union.

You're right with the points C and D.

About the mother-child motif: The old Babylon already had a mother-child motif during the Akkadian Period (2500-2200 BC): Semiramis and Tammuz. This was before the Middle Kingdom and New Kingdom of Egypt when the Isis/Horus legend came up.
But be careful: Don't confuse the Rooms Catholic Church with Christianity. The bible doesn't mention anything about worshipping mother Mary! In fact the bible doesn't give Mary any special treatment at all (except being the earthly mother of Jesus). Worshipping Mary became officially during the council of Ephesus in 431 after Christ. So the Rooms Catholic Church have adopted the old Godess-child motif from the old Babylon (as most other religions have, for example what you mentioned: Isis and Horus, but also Isi/Isiwara, Shingmoo/child, Herta/child, Disa/child, Virgo/Paritura, Inanna/child, Devaki/Krishna and so on). Not too strange a lot of Christian Estololgists believe that the anti-christ will come out of the Rooms Catholic church (a pope): A new Rome Empire with the religion of the old Babylon, as mentioned in the bible.

One last thing:
quote from you:
"http://judaism.about.com/library/3_askrabbi_c/bl_jesus.htm -Jesus isn't the Messaih. If u need more info ask a local Rabbi."
Of course this isn't an argument. I could do the same towards you:
The end-of-time will not come when the last Buddha(Maiterya) will come to earth , in fact there will be no last Buddha at all and for sure the end-of-time will happen a lot earlier than in about 432,000 years. If u need more info ask a local Rabbi.

Please sir_mercutio become more informed and stop giving non-arguments or arguments based on false information!

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Your argument for the rapture is very weak. It's basically only one line from the bible and it was as I stated only started to be used by doomsday sects in the 1830's by Margret Mcdonald. The book of revelations has been interpede diffrent ways. Most mainline theologist believe that the book of revelations is a way that early Christian believers where writing about the opression under Emperor Nero. The Anti-Christ is Nero oppressing the early chrisitan in the roman emperor. If you go back to my earlist post you would also no that the book also contadicts the belief in the Jewish messiah who will unite both Jews and Gentiles. Some inerpret that the Jewish messiah is the anti-christ and used it as a form of anti-semitism.

I wasn't trying to bash Christiangirl btw. Many of my friends and family including my mother are christians. I just don't believe in this whole Eschatology/Fundamentalist BS. The last thing we need to do is to turn our nation into a theocracy.


Last if I did believe in a Anti-Christ I know who it its: Sun Myung Moon

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i tought the anti-christ was Pat Robertson

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LOL it's a toss up between Robertson, Falwell, Moon or that gay dude who's wife is the new Tammy Faye Baker.

Also Peter Popoff or Benny Hinn(He's from Bulgaria!!!!!)

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Actually the anti-Christ will be a Christian or will at least use Christianity to make policy. The Bible states he will fool even the elect. Fundies aren't going to be moved by a non-Christian but The Pope is heard and respected by people who aren't even Catholic.

-M

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Like I said Sun-Mung Moon is a leading candidate for the position of anti-Christ. Also the dude who founded the Chanceledon Society RJ Rushdoony He definatly could be the anti-christ or one of the televangelists like Ted Haggard or Rod Parsley.

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Hello Mercutio,
I read a couple of your rpost in regards to your thoughts on the Bible and some of the things you have against Christ and his second coming. To begin with if you go to the beginning of the Word of God ( as we Christians refer to as) The Bible one would see in the Word that there are several references about CHrist and his first and second coming. ( Please feel free to look up these references) (Genesis 3:15 (referring to Christ defeating Satan on the cross), ( Isaiah 53: 1-12 referring to Christ as a Suffering Servant),Ezekial 1: 22- 28 ( referring to Christ Divinity ) , Acts 1:9-11( referring to Christ ascending to heaven and stating he will come again) , john 15:18-27) ( referring to jesus forwarning believers that the World will hate him and believer's has well.), John 14:1-5 ( Jesus refering to Jesus being the way of eternal life). Revelation 4: 1-11 ( the scene of heaven and believers worshiping Jesus on his throne), Daniel 7: 13-14( Reffering to Christ as the Messiah). Now in reference to your statement that you weren't sure if Rome is referring to either Rome ( nation ) or Rome ( the city ). Guess what it is referring to both . If you go back and study historical civilization one would see that the capital city of the Roman empire was Rome which is where present day Rome "is" located. Up can look up this link of the Roman empire and it's history .
(http://www.roman-empire.net/shop/empire-map-116.html)
During the time of Jesus birth and Ministry the Roman empire took possession of Jersuleum .( Matthew 2:1-18 Herod the King seeks to destroy jesus) Matthew 22:15-22 ( Jesus challenged by religious leaders on whom should we pay taxes to ).Matthew 27: 11-31 , Mark 15:1-24 ( Jesus was not Crucified by Jews Physically because the Jewish people didn't have the power to Crucify someone Only the Roman empire had that authority to kill someone who either seen as a rebellion and slave).
In terms of what will happen when Christ returns ( to Begin with Jesus clearly states that " no man no the time , date or the Hour when the son of man will return )(Mark 13:32-37; matthew 24: 26-51;Luke 21:25-33)in addition to this Jesus also taught the signs of the times as well as Matthew 24:1-25 emphasizes on v. 11). As far as your statement of Jesus being a false Prophet that the real Messiah will United the people of the earth and rebuild Isreal for his Chosen people and create a Paradise forever. You answer me this question ? which is more important your physical state on this earth or your spritual state. You see , your physical state will one day perish and one day become no more , but you have a spirit that is more important to God. For thousands of years the Jewish people wanted someone to be their earthly king Ex: ;1 Samuel 8 and 9: 1-27.But what God purposed for the people of Isreal was to be not only there all and all ,but the leader as well, but for the people of Israel this was not enough they wanted to be like every other nation. So God gave them what they wanted only to teach them that sometimes having a king isn't all what it was cracked up to be.Trust me the child of Israel have fallen many times including in realizing that Jesus was not just an ordinary person /kingOsiris and Isis ,but he gave them eternal life. Now in reference to you Legend of Orisis and Isis You state this was the first to manke an reference to resurrection . I just want to let you know that in that story Orisis dies " again " after being resurrected and guess Jesus is not Dead any one go look in his tomb that sits in Israel to this day. Also, Isn't the person who started Buddishm dead as well. I believe his grave is somewhere in southeast Asia. So, With all the evidence I've presented it is pretty certain that you have not studied the Bible ,notice I've said studied and not read . There's a big difference there. You can read a book and basically sum up it's key points , but it takes time and devotion to really study a subject matter and really understand it. Also, I noticed that Buddhism teaches that the highest level of spritually is the Nirvana . How do you reach that state in this flesh. You become perfect right? Do you curse people out ? do you think of evil thoughts? Do you look at a person of the opposite sex and lust in your heart? Have you lied or even stolen ? You Mercutio , as long as you live on this earth you will never be perfect you will make mistakes everyday. What Jesus teaches that is so different from what other relgions teach , yes including Islam is that you have to act or dress a certain way , or you have to perform this ritual or task in order to obtain favor from their creator. Jesus basically says come as you are he doesn't matter what you've done or how bad you are , but he understands the struggles you go through everyday on this side. He understands what rejection feels like he understands because He was and continues to be rejected by the entire world. In Luke 5: 27-32 Jesus ate with the outcast of society and many people critized for this. in luke 6: 27-36 and Matthew 5:43-48 , jesus talks about loving your enemies.in mark 11: 1 Jesus tells us to cast our burdaens on him for he cares for us. ( he'll take of you even in midst of the darkest times in your life.) With Buddhism whom do you have to rely on "yourself" . You can't save yourself because we get disappointed everytime ,but Jesus will never disappoint.Trust me I know I've walked with him for 10 years and he has never failed me. Do i get disappointed yes . Do I get angry ,"yes" Do I ask God why certain things have to go this way 'Yes" But he tells me in his word that He cares for me (1 peter 5:7) and in the end I thank for the doors that He shut for me and the doors he opened. I want to challenge you if you decide to read the Bible next time , instead of looking at it with a critical ask Jesus if he is truly what he and others say what he is . And I ganruntee you that he will show himself. I've done and so have others .

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You have way too much time on your hand. Stop trying to convert people based on fear or some messiah coming back. Christians talk about Islamic fanatics, Your use the same fear tatics the Islamic fanatics do. Christian Eschatology actually contradicts Jewish Eschatology. Christian Fundmentalists belive that the person who builds the 3rd temple in Jeruslem will be the anti-christ. This is becoming a growing movment of Anti-Semitism/racism in the fundmentalist movment. (ie Mel Gibson).

Why study the bible? It's boring,preachy and contradicts itself. Someone told me once even the devil can quote scripture. Like I said Christianity isn't the only religion that has an end time belief.
(Maitrya, Kalkin, Peshotan/Saoshyant,Qiyamah,Ragnarök)

BTW my meditation center allow non buddhists to come there. Maybe you should check it out and become less rigid.

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America=Rome

Robertson/Fallwell/Moon are the false prophets who will usher the Anti-Christ If belive that this is happening now which most reasonable Christians don't. The ones who do want to drag us back to medieval ignorance.

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Go meet him at his site,http://www.maitreya.org Mercurio....

Not only that, but NGOs of the United Nations like Lucis Trust, Aquarian Age Community, and others, refer to him as the Messiah, Jesus, Buddha, Mohamet, all in one, for everyone. While you live your life, lots of people are holding meetings preparing his "re-appearance", attracting followers, disttributing printed materials, making elaborate websites, etc. They don't keep it a secret, but it's not on the front page of CNN.com, you have to read their documents and beliefs on their sites.

Once you do quite a bit of research, it will appear pretty possible that he's being groomed to be the anti-Christ.

As for the Bible being boring and preachy.....I happen to find it extraordinary reading, interesting, with beautiful, rich language, and unbelievable imagery.

If you so abhor "work" like this, perhaps you might check out the Gospel of Luke-he was a doctor, and writes with great precision, simplicity, and clarity.



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Nah thats just a crazy-ass cult. They'll probaly end up taking bad Kool-aid like in Jonestown. By the way how many folks have claimed they were Jesus: Myung-Sung Moon, Jim Jones, David Koresh etc... Maybe if they read the legend he will only come when the dharma is completly forgotton or appox 30,000 years from Guatama Buddha.

About the real Maitreya: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya the only person known to be the incartion of Maitreya is Budai, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budai , the laughing Buddha.

Honestly this thread is boring is there anyway to close it?

Edit: the group that u are describing is the Raelians who believe Rael is jesus buddha and everything else. They are dismissed as being kooks. The number of crazy kooks claiming to be Jesus is probaly higher but no one here has mention that until now. Like other fundies you are afraid of something diffrent that doesn't fit into your world.

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Thanks to everybody replied my posting. I'm really sorry for my English.

And: I don't know, whether I'm such uneducated Bible reader. I mean, I've read Bible several times with great interest, and I understood, that a lot of information in that Book are in many ways symbolic.

It is IMHO ridiculous to take everything literally from the Bible: a fact, that the President of the USA can be only an American and the fact that the Antichrist will come out of Rome haven't anything to do with each other. I mean, have you ever read in Bible about America? And whether Rome in Bible means only geographical location in Italy, especially in those highly abstract and symbolic textes? I don't think so. The apocalyptic texts of Book of Revelation and other eschatological texts shouldn't be taken too literally. So, in that case, the "Rome" could be freely the symbol for each existing empire in our world, like China, Russia - and America.

My impression of that movie was, the film has so little relation to Christianity like Scientology to science...

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Actually the Bible doesn't explicitly state the Anti-Crist will come from Rome(City) it just says that he will be born in a country that was in ancient times apart of the Roman Empire, (so for all we know he could be born in France or he could be Greek).

Also it couln't be Russia, America, or China simply because Russia is mentioned as the king of the North, and China is mentioned as the king of the east which attack Israel when the Anti-Christ is said to have a pact with Israel for seven years (which it only lasts for about three).

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but Jesus will never disappoint.Trust me I know I've walked with him for 10 years and he has never failed me.

comforting

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boy, i won't read all the posts here, though it's an interesting topic. just to (maybe) answer your question: the story reminds me of a sekt aka religious group called: "the family" aka children of god.

don't bring a knife to a gun fight

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Yes, the movie had a Christian agenda, but all films have an agenda and are brainwashing it's viewers. Do not delude yourself into thinking that those Hollywood Blockbusters do not have an agenda. At least with the Christian Film Movement they are honest about their agenda--winning souls to Christ.






Live Long and Prosper!

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