Did He Rape Marina??


When Holly and Marina are at the party at Caroline's house, while Holly is having sex with Nat, you see the junkie who gave Marina the heroin say "don't be scared" and take her off into a room. Did he rape her?? Anyone tell me?

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Don't think so. She Saw Holly getting her rocks off, and not to be outdone, staggered back to that 'orrible bloke and in a drug-induced fug, let him have his wicked way with her.

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Good lord I love your wording. Where are you from?

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I don't think so. I think what was implied was that she did something that she wished she hadn't done. Like many girls first times, she just did it to do it and felt regret and disgust over it immediately afterwards.

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no



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This is almost a trick question!

When I first read it my answer was yes he raped her, that's what I thought.
Then I noticed all the people saying no and I thought are you crazy...but then I realised it is a bit more complicated.

I think at the end of the day she did want to lose her virginity to anyone at that party. He was good enough.

I am not really sure if she was forced to do it or not but looking at the way she was stumbling through to the room I would equate it to someone giving her a date rape drug. She could barely walk, she was drunk and had took drugs and he was helping her walk through to the room while she didn't want to do it. Then she came out in a rush, angry and crying.

We don't know what happened because we didn't see but I bet it wasn't consentual. I think Marina probably said no and was forced into it or held down or something.

Either way he was clearly taking advantage of her but in the end I don't think she cared that much. She was more upset at the fact that Holly lost her virginity first, and lost it to someone she cared about and she had to do it with a disgusting stranger.




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No - consensual but regretful. Marina felt it necessary to lose her virginity to 'keep up' with her friend Holly. Marina later regretted it - she'd slept with some junkie while high on heroin.

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i think it was consentual BUT he definitely took advantage of her. no doubt about it. he knew she wasn't in the right state of mind...that she was vulnerable...he just didn't care.


Next thing you know, money's missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up! - Tommy Boy

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Hate to inform anyone unaware, but taking advantage of drunk & high girls, virgin or not, was the way of the world in the 70s and 80s. It wasn't until the late 80s when Wesleyan University in the States proposed both parties must overtly agree to every step of a seduction. I did hear the phrase "date rape" in 1983, from someone going to Wesleyan, but the use was so rare I specifically recall it, along with notable accused alums who got away with it. By the mid-late 80s it made its way to other selective liberal arts colleges with national student bodies.

If you recall Polanski's "Tess," remember the introduction "She was born into a world where they called it seduction, not rape." We've come a long way since Hardy wrote "Tess of the D'Urbervilles" in 1891. Even a long way since I attempted to file sexual assault charges in 1993, when the police wouldn't take a report because I let him into the house (before a scheduled date, the same way I would have gotten into his car if he hadn't come into the house first).

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