angry at this movie


as a dominican film student i feel this movie is an insult to the dominican talent... why?
because this film is about DOMINICAN HISTORY and there isn't a SINGLE dominican involved in it. it wasn't even filmed in the Dominican Republic!
All the actors are Mexicans or puerto ricans, it was filmed in Mexico and on top of everything, it's in english!
i don't see this movie as a tribute, it is an insult to Dominicans as well at the Dominican Republic.




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I agree with you in that it needed to have Dominican actors because it is a Dominican history movie. However, I don't believe it was an insult. I just believe that the producers were so touched by the story that they didn't stop to think that they should portray the characters realistically and get some Dominican actors. It's too bad. Anywayz, it was a nice try.

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--my date on a Saturday night.

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yeah, but what about the locations being in mexico and being in english?
there was no reason to do that

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this is definitely not an insult

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I agree, the movie would have done more if it wasnt so americanized
(being in english and such). I suggest, if you want a good story, read the book by Jane Alvarez. I read the book before i saw the movie and the book does so much justice to the story, the Miribals, and the Dominicans. It makes the characters much more dynamic and explains alot more. I dont blame you for disliking the movie.

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I definitely agree that it could have done to have more Dominican players, and i certainly think that it would have been much more appropriate to have actually been FILMED there, but personally i think that it was fine to have it in English, maybe even better. (no disrespect intended, listen to the reason.)the book it was based on was written in English and released in the English speaking world, the way i understand it (so it could be wrong), to rise awareness to the crisis and history in the DR. surely, the people there know most of these stories, but the people here in the US could sure do to listen, and that is why i think that the movie is good in English. because the majority of people do not go in much for foreign films. (i am not in this majority.) the best way to raise awareness through this movie is to make sure people see it.

i was not happy with the movie at all. i just recently saw it (in fact, i am watching it now), and i read the book first. The book was incredible, the movie was hardly enjoyable. so i do sympathize to the fact that you were unhappy with the film. but please dont discriminate against the fact that it was in english. i agree with you on all other counts, but this is one that i think you should perhaps think more deeply about.


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I just read the book for my book club and it was amazing. i don't plan to see the movie because i know the books are always better. as for a DR cast, if you were the director, who would you cast?
sometimes it is cheaper to film somewhere else. LOTR was filmed in New Zealand. X-files took place in DC, but after filming got too expensive in Hollywood, the moved to Canada. In other words the FBI building in DC was recreated in Canada. Kinda like the DR was recreated in Mexico.

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Obviously you have never been to the D.R., as it took about 5 minutes to realize that the architecture, music and scenery was not the Dominican Republic.

I don't find it an insult, but it wasn't due to budget. It would have been a lot cheaper to film in the D.R. than Mexico.

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you are absolutly correct, da marlboro man. however you missed my point. all i said was that in many cases it is cheaper to film a movie in a different location than it actually takes place. with that in mind, the scenery, architecture, etc may be a little different that what is actually in the DR. Do you know what their budget was?

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Could you imagine the cost of shooting LotR in Middle Earth!?!? That would be uber expensive!

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I agree this movie was TERRIBLE. However the purpose was to be in English, because the purpose of Julia Alvarez was to relate the story of the Mirabals to the English speaking world. I don't feel the lack of dominicans contributed to the suckitude of this film more than the overall lack of faitfullness to history and the original work by Ms. Alvarez.

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To start off, I am also Dominican and therefor I've grown up with this story. It was very sad to see such a dismal portrayal on screen; I do believe the characterizations, events and the whole plot could have been done more justice. I agree 100% that the story should have been filmed in DR (let us remember that this movie also tries to stand out as a tribute to the Mirabals and what would be better than filming it in their beloved Salcedo?). I would not so care much about the nationality of the actors (let us admit that this being a Salma Hayek project really brought the whole thing to life), as long as they atleast got people who know how to do accents/look Dominican/act Dominican! They could have atleast consulted with a Dominican....

All in all, this movie was a worthy "try" but they fell short in a lot of important aspects of the story (like focusing too much on Marc Anthony, which was to me the DUMBEST thing in the movie since Minerva's husband Manolo is a national hero and the beginner of this "Revolution")

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..you know what, people..you are simply being ungrateful here..I haven't seen the movie yet..intend to start doing it in a few minutes..but at this point what I want to say is that apparently before this movie was produced, there had been no tribute to this story in the form of movie..shouldn't you at least appreciate the fact that somebody at least tried to change that?..and as for you, Dominicans..would you rather prefer that there was no movie at all based on the events in question?..and excuse me, but since when is it that a movie with some national history at its core must be made in the country where events happened and with national actors employed if producers come from a different country?..it is totally up to the producers to decide whether they want to be involved in any way with original country while making a movie..the way one can interpret your outbursts here is that if somebody dares to use your history for making a movie, this person has to pay for it by employing your actors and using your settings..I am sorry but I find that a silly notion..

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Come on, Film Students! A film must be judged on its own artistic, technical and cinematic merits, not on whether it was filmed in the location of the original story, or on whether the actors are of the same ethnicity as those in the story on which the film is based. Is DR. ZHIVAGO any worse because it was filmed in Spain and not Russia, or that the starring role is portrayed by an Egyptian rather than a Russian? Is LAWRENCE OF ARABIA less of a film because it was filmed in Spain and North Africa and not in Saudi Arabia, or that O'Toole is an ethnic Irishman and not a Brit (Yes, my friends, there IS a difference, right down to the language!)? IN THE TIME OF THE BUTTERFLIES is based on a work of FICTION, a novel, not on an historically accurate treatise. Trujillo never lusted after the Mirabal sisters, nor did he play dice with Minerva over her future. At the now famous party, he did not grab Minerva's ass. Rather he and Minerva had a heated argument over Trujillo's repressive politics, and she and her family left the party in anger BEFORE the host, Trujillo, retired for the evening, an act that was considered not only impolite, but an illegal affront to Trujillo's regime. Minerva's father, Enrique was much more outspoken against Trujillo than the film portrays, and he was arrested for his defiance, not for his inability to deliver his daughter's virginity to 'El Jefe'. I cite all of these as facts gathered from a visit to El Museo de las Hermanas Mirabal in Salcedo, DR, and on the only outstanding non-fictional, accurate historical treatise on the subject, TRES HEROINAS Y UN TIRANO.
Let's face it. Salma Hayek produced a film on a subject about which she has been extremely outspoken - violence against women. Not only did she choose perhaps one of the most brutal examples in history, but she also glamorized it for Hollywood and for American audiences. However, whatever her faults in bringing this project to life, she is to be commended for making Minerva Mirabal a real person in the living rooms of English speaking Americans, who in general know very little about Latin America and its politics. For a more historical and accurate version, I suggest that someone among the bright, young cineasts in the Dominican Republic today make a film that does the Mirabal sisters more justice, and of course one that would use as background, the most beautiful island in the Caribbean. Let us not forget, the Dominican Republic is 'la Cuna de las Americas' (the Cradle of the Americas) and for this reason alone, the real story of the Mirabal sisters' fight for justice and democracy needs to be told again and again.

Dr. Michael James McColley-Parmer

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I totally agree with you, Dr. McColley. This movie is not that bad... in fact is very good. Why? because (for example) I never knew about Mirabal sisters before this movie. That's good enough. But as all we know, you'll never please everybody with a book adaptation.
I loved this movie and I'm not the only one, there's a lot of people who thinks the same... Dominicans should be glad that somebody had the courage of tell this story to the world in a movie, because, you know, the book is practically unknown in a lot of countries... why in english? because that's a language that everybody can access, and is the "universal" one or whatever you want to say. I think that people just talk because they can, just criticizing for the fact of doing it. Come on people, try to see the good, not just things like "Why in Mexico?" "Why in english?" "Why Marc Anthony?" and all that stuff...

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oh come on..as a film student you should know that is difficult to get your actual locations and actors.I'm sure they had a good reason.
I still found it moving. Film is about awareness. it got its point across loud and clear. I'm glad I have knowledge of the "butterflies".


Somebody's got to lead this revolution and I guess it's gonna be me.

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Girlrev, I think we are in agreement, no? Glad you found the film moving. It is a very good, solid cinematic piece.

Dr. Michael James McColley-Parmer

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I am Dominican. Honestly, as proud as I am of Dominicans, there simply is not enough Dominican talent when it comes to acting. Let's face it, we're great in baseball and merengue, but NOT acting. I agree the movie could have been portrayed better, but the producers had to choose the best talent available in spanish speaking actors regardless which country they're from.

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I completely agree that Salma Hayek and her cast brought this thing to life, and that there are difficulties when bringing this story over to an American audience. However I DO NOT agree that we should be grateful, as Dominicans, that any movie was made at all. It is a grand tribute, I'm sure..but a true tribute would have been sticking to historical detail (or at the very least to the fictional details in the book which do retain one small degree of accuracy). This film did not depict the atrocities of Trujillo or the real hardship endured by the sisterhood. I still say filming it in DR would have been better, but that's my opininion and I'll admit, I'm quite biased.

So, back again to the point that this film does not bring to life the real historic value of the story so therefor it fails as a cinematic piece (because it's goal was to represent the bravery and soul of the sisters themselves, just like the book, eh?). To Dominicans, I can say, it does not really hold much value...Americans can enjoy it however they please....

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i dont know what you guys are talking about movie was good...but im biast movie is about my family...i am a mirabal

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Dominican Chick Here!! Saludos!!

All I have to say, is that they should've brought my girl Zoe Zaldana into the movie. But I have to give mad luv & props to my girl Salma Hayek for taking time in producing it & like someone in the thread said "shed light on the subject". So I give her that.

Plus, wasn't it on Showtime? It didn't make it to the screen. Or did it?

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i agree with mostly everyone here. they should have hired dominican actors.

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Just a thought, let's just say that it is not important whether the actors are mexican, argentinian or dominican since after all we are all part of the same nation (the divisory lines between our countries have been imposed by tyrants and foreigners). This does not include puerto ricans, who have sold their national identity to whore themselves to their american patrons. Let's then just say it doesnt matter because all Latin Americans share the experience of political oppression and all may easily represent this situation which further binds us in our national struggle (i.e. the oppression of tyrants and foreigners). Furthermore, it is not important where exactly it was filmed as long as the psychological landscape is thoroughly covered. Regarding the english language though, i am sorry to say, NORTH AMERICAN PC thinkers, it is inappropiate to describe the story of Dominican martyrs to an NORTH AMERICAN BACKED DICTATORSHIP in english. Maybe this is hard to understand to the anglo saxons in the board, but i am sure that this feeling is easily understood by my Latin American COMPATRIOTAS. Therefore, the word to describe this film is not insulting... but rather propaganda, since this film is part of the american liberal effort to conceal ANGLOSAXON sins through restrospactive pity and historical revisionism. To further answer some of your distressing posts: yes, it is in english because the production is ANGLO, and it is a film more about women sttrugles than about LA history, this is an exchange Hayek was willing to make and i respect her for it. Nonetheless this is hardly a worthy portrayal of my people and OUR struggles. Mas vale MUDO que mal REPRESENTADO.

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im dominican and i agree should of been film in dominican republic

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