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WOW!!! I haven't seen a movie like this since...


I know I don't have the cultural nostalgia and I did watch the dub version, but I have not seen a movie this homo-erotic since S.W.A.T. Seriously, there was more going on than breaking down the barriers between Communism and Capitolism. What was really going on in that whole 'spitting' scene?
Beyond that, this is a horribly cheesy movie with pretty pictures and is not above a Hollywood remake from that writer who actually wasted paper and ink on Gladiator.
Remaking Oldboy is wrong!!!! Hollywood likes to play sentimental heart-strings and so does this movie; they'll be perfectly crappy together on the Mexican border.

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.... Dude, how the hell did you get homoeroticism from JSA? Getting the feel of homoeroticism from JSA is like getting the feel of incestous relationship from 'Full House' (The sitcom w/ Bob Saget and the Olsen twins when they were little).

The spitting scene is supposed to portray the two soldiers (who are friends now) playing like innocent schoolboys. It contrasts well considering how strict DMZ is (remember one of the tour guide saying "I could be hanged for this" after saying thank you to one of the NK soldiers?). Same thing where they're all hopping on one leg; it's one of the schoolyard games Koreans play.

My God, you got homoeroticism from this post, didn't you?

I really think you didn't get the point or the plot of the movie (probably b/c you were too busy imagining the two soldiers doing it)... Go back, stop thinking everything that doesn't involve a guy and a girl is homosexual, and watch it carefully.

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Did I offend you?
No need to get personal, it is just a movie (a bad one at that). You obviously take the crap you watch very seriously. You can stop with your worthless movie watching suggestions. There was no need to watch this movie carefully. It really isn't that deep. Maybe to you this was real thinker; it wasn't for me. We get movies like this all the time on daytime on cable and in the theaters.
Like I stated, I don't have the cultural background. Even if these are just 'playing' innocently it is a horrible movie that deserves to be remade Hollywood style. It's just over-sentimental cheese.
No need to take it so personal.

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Lol sorry if it sounded like I was offended, but I'm mostly confused about your comment is all.

You're saying
1. JSA is homoerotic (once again... wow)
2. Cheesy and sentimental

with no reason as to why you think that. JSA isn't supposed to be an hollywood action movie, you know. It's a movie about the North/South Korean politics and the issues that surround the division. It's like watching Schindler's List and saying "First of all, those Jewish workers got something going on... are they supposed to be gay? And Second of all, GOD it was so cheesy and over-sentimental! Where's all the action?! I thought this happened in WWII!"

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First off, you can't really comment on a movie when you watch a dub version. If reading hurts your eyes to much just watch normal movies and look at magazines with lots of pictures. And really there are alot of movies that are more overly sentimental than this one. You saying that really just shows your ignorance and bad taste in movies. I prefer films like this to pictures like Jackie Brown or Kill Bill where the emotion comes off as stale and fake.

But basically your taste in movies is obviously pretty horrible and I doubt anyone would really care if you disliked their movies or not after having a two minute conversation with you. Calling a movie homo-erotic is also not the best way to get your opinion taken seriously. Your mind obviously can't come up with anything intelligent or even witty to show your dislike for this film. Please stop being the stereotypical internet idiot that spouts his mouth off on message boards. Try to learn some things in life and get a little smarter before you completely embarass yourself next time.

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Why the hostility?
I can't believe how offended you all get over this movie. You come at me with personal attacks about the movies I watch when you have no idea what movies I watch and or like. The only thing about me that you know is that I think JSA is homo-erotic and sentimental. This one fact has given you all the deep, deep insights that I watch terrible movies, that I enjoy movies that have no meaning or any substance, and that I have not gotten off the couch to actually know anything about life and/or film. What arrogance.
I have alot of respect for Park as a director. Mr. Vengeance and Oldboy are two of the best movies I've seen in a long time. He really is picking up where Scorsese left off in the early 80's. I was surprised to see such an overdramitic, sentimental movie from him (until I saw Anarchists, which he wrote, and then I realized he does have quite a streak of cheese in him).
I don't need tips on what I should watch or how I should write about the movies I watch.
It's obvious from this little exchange you're just a bully who can't take it when someone disagrees with you and has to resort to petty insults to get your point across.
Just know that your taste in anything really isn't that important to anyone but yourself. So don't take yourself, or the movies you like, so serious.
I found the movie to be a tale of four men who want to play grab ass without the man coming down on them. It is sweet, I know, but I not buying into this whole patriotic mentality - not from this or any other country. I think it's dangerous and gross. And you think what ever you want.
See you in church.

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Explain to me how it was homoerotic.

The way I see it (and how it was meant to be portrayed) was that these soldiers were living in a time (ie today) where it was uncommon and looked down upon (and illegal might I add, practically treason) to simply befriend someone on the other side. Why? Because of the political stance.

What they do is realize that we are all human, and look away from the effects of all the politics back from the 40s and 50s and look at each other as humans. As friends.

Of course there are the share of problems that arise when having a friendship like this. (Which is the plot of the movie)

Homoerotic I don't understand. Cheesy and overly sentimental/overly dramatic I won't argue, as thats much more relative.

Perhaps you don't know much about korean history. Anyway I will quote another IMDB user on what he wrote about it. (Bear in mind it is quite long, but very informative)

The whole of Korea (united, at the time) was invaded by Japan in 1910. The Japanese stayed until the end of World War II and behaved cruelly towards the local population. The Korean language was publicly banned, Koreans were all given Japanese names and when World War II broke out, Koreans were forcibly drafted into the Japanese Imperial Army. Thousands of Korean women were also abducted from their homes and sent to the front to serve as sex slaves for Japanese soldiers (Japan still has great difficulty admitting to this).

In 1945, when Japan was defeated, the same sort of "liberation race" that had taken place between the US and the Soviet Union in Europe happened in Korea. The Americans ended up liberating the south and the Russians the north. In preparation to restore an independent government in Korea, each side administered their own side during the post-war interim period. It was agreed that nationwide elections would be held in 1948.

But they never happened. North and South Korea disagree very strongly on who reneged on their promise first, but the offshoot was that North Korea ended up "electing" its own separate government, based in Pyongyang. South Korea followed shortly afterwards from Seoul. In any case, both elections were rigged. In the North the Korean Workers Party headed by Kim Il-sung took power with the support of the Soviet Union, and in the South the Americans deliberately appointed a puppet regime headed by Syngman Rhee, a borderline fascist right-winger and fierce anti-Communist. Both sides of the newly divided country looked at each other with hostility and distrust. Something had to give, and a few years later it did.

In June 1950 North Korea (with Stalin's approval) crossed the 38th parallel which unofficially divided the two countries and launched a massive invasion of the South. Southern forces were routed and the country was quickly overrun. The United Nations (at the initiative of the US) responded swiftly and this became known in the West as the Korean War. Headed by General McArthur, the mostly American forces launched a brilliant surprise counter-offensive and managed to roll back the North Koreans all the way across the border. Dizzy with his success, McArthur surmised that he could also topple the North Korean regime in the bargain (in contravention of President Truman's orders) and kept heading north, with the result that American troops ended up dangerously close to the Chinese border. It is not known whether McArthur wanted to actually try to overthrow the newly-established Communist regime in China as well. Certainly, he failed to ever take the Chinese seriously and never for one second accepted that the Chinese Communists were a legitimate government with wide popular support - which they were.

In November, Chinese troops poured over the border into North Korea, officially in assistance to their Communist neighbours but also to repel what they saw as a threat to their own security. Through a combination of sacrificial offensives and imaginative guerrilla tactics, the Chinese managed to push the American army back over the border once again. The war lasted for another three years but no one made any significant gains (Seoul, for instance, suffered enormously because it kept being captured by one side or the other). During this time the US indiscriminately bombed the whole of North Korea, resulting in hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths. Negotiations started in 1953 to try and end this stalemate and it was finally agreed that a "ceasefire line" would be drawn between the two countries based on the current location of the frontline (which ironically was almost exactly around the 38th parallel - back to square one). Thus the war effectively ended. But it is important to note that THIS WAS ONLY A CEASEFIRE, NOT A PEACE TREATY: the two Koreas remain officially at war TO THIS DAY, and neither side recognises the other's government.

With the war ended, both Koreas went their respective ways. A demilitarised zone (DMZ) was established around the ceasefire line and it is still the world's most heavily defended border. The DMZ is 4 kilometres wide with an electrified fence in the middle. The entire territory is heavily mined - the reason why the US never signed the Comprehensive Mine-Ban Treaty, indeed, is that this would have forced them to withdraw their mines from the Korean DMZ. Both North and South Korea patrol their own side of the DMZ relentlessly, day and night. In the middle of the DMZ, the village of Panmunjom, where the ceasefire negotiations took place and discussions between the governments still occur, was made into a Joint Security Area. The border runs right in the middle of the negotiation barracks and each delegation sits on their side of the table. I have been to the JSA and can attest that the film's depiction of it is completely accurate.

Both Koreas, still being officially at war, remained hostile to each other and continued to try and undermine each other's government at every opportunity, sending spies and agitators over to the other side and getting into occasional military skirmishes - I knew a South Korean guy handpicked during his military service to serve as a special undercover commando into the north, and he was the only one in his platoon to make it back alive. The North Koreans also dug several infiltration tunnels into the south, and attempted several times to assassinate South Korean government figures. Both Koreas remained dictatorships, each supported by their respective superpower - the US cared little that South Korea was not democratic so long as it was reliably anti-Communist. Even today, all South Korean males have to serve in the military for 3 years and 37,000 American troops are stationed in a huge base in the middle of Seoul (which is only an hour's drive away from the border) to deter any further North Korean attacks.

South Korea developed and eventually democratised in 1988, but North Korea stayed staunchly Communist and totalitarian, and remains so today. In fact it has reacted to the end of the Soviet Union and the collapse of most Communist regimes by shutting itself in even more, and today it is arguably the world's most closed up country. Norh Koreans are of course not allowed to move abroad. As for foreigners, the only ones in North Korea are diplomats from a handful of countries and officials from aid agencies. North Korea very occasionally issues tourist visas but during their stay these rare visitors to the "hermit kingdom" are accompanied by two government guides at all times, they are not allowed to go wandering on their own and their every action is monitored by the security services. The country is permanently geared to a high level of paranoia, and society is heavily militarised - the only ones nowadays who can expect to always eat properly are soldiers.

At the time of the Korean war, the North was in far better shape than the South. It had a larger and much better educated population, all the industrial infrastructures and a large portion of the country's natural resources. The South, by contrast, had always been considered as Korea's rural hinterland, its population was far poorer and most of the territory's economic existence relied on subsistence farming. But as South Korea adjusted to market economics and adopted a series of intelligent strategic measures to become globally competitive, the scales were gradually tipped. North Korea sank into slow ruin because it stuck to an unrealistic state-planned economy. The collapse of the Soviet Union also dealt North Korea a huge blow since it meant the end of considerable financial aid and subsidies. Starting in 1994, a series of famines struck the country and it is estimated that hundreds of thousands have died since then. Made desperate, thousands of North Koreans have braved danger and death to sneak across the border into China (naturally, escaping directly to South Korea through the DMZ is not an option!). Nowadays, the North Korean economy is only barely kept alive by virtually free prison labour (up to 200,000 people are estimated to be locked up in labour camps throughout the country), the occasional financial aid provided by friendly countries and international agencies, remittances sent to relatives by ethnic Koreans in Japan (most settled there for generations) which are then embezzled by the authorities, and the black market.

North Koreans are subjected to an endless stream of propaganda by their state-controlled media - those North Koreans who are caught with clandestine wireless sets trying to eavesdrop on South Korean radio stations can expect to be sent to labour camp, possibly along with their families. The North Koreans therefore believe that it was the US who struck first in the Korean War, not the North (North Koreans refer to the Korean War as the "fatherland liberation war"). They are taught that the South is nothing but a puppet regime of the United States (which, to be fair, it originally was) and that the US could attack them again at a moment's notice. The North Korean media seemingly only broadcasts reports on four distinct topics (to see some samples of these often tragically hilarious soundbites, you can visit the official North Korean news agency at www.kcna.co.jp, possibly the only North Korean-run website in existence):

1. How the US is an evil imperialist force trying to divide the people of Korea;

2. How the South is a despicable stooge of the US and its citizens are continually misled and oppressed;

3. How Japan is a puppet of US imperialism bent on recolonising Korea; (both Koreas harbour a strong resentment against Japan for their horrific treatment of Koreans during their 35-year annexation of the country, but North Korea is much more fixated on it, possibly because resistance to Japan was always more intense and organised in the north, and this gives North Korea another reason for claiming it to be the "true" patriotic Korea)

4. How Great Leader Kim Il-sung and Dear Leader Kim Jong-il are the Light of all Humanity on this planet and every world leader wants to pay respects to them.

In particular, the cult of personality engineered around the personalities of Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il (his son) is extraordinary in North Korea, and transcends even the ones in other bombastic Communist states like Maoist China, Stalinist Russia or Cuba. Everyone has a portrait of either one or both leaders in their home and Kim Il-sung has been made president for "all eternity" even though he has been dead for 12 years now. As years passed and totalitarianism tightened, the two Kims were credited with more and more extraordinary achievements and inventions - just like the Party's claims to have invented the helicopter and then the aeroplane in George Orwell's "Nineteen Eighty-Four". It is now claimed, for instance, that Kim Il-sung defeated Japan almost single-handedly: no mention is made of the US's central role in the Pacific War, nor of the atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki - North Korea would of course never want to incite the slightest measure of sympathy towards the Japanese, nor hint that it had ever been anything but a US ally. Nowadays Kim Jong-il is said to have been born at the top of Mount Paektu, coincidentally the birthplace of the Korean people according to traditional mythology, whereas all evidence indicates that he was actually born in the Russian town of Khabarovsk. The state-controlled media insist that "brilliant white horses" and other angelic figures were seen in the sky at the time of his birth.

I hope I've helped in showing you why North and South Koreans still have a strong animosity towards each other. Both want reunification, but neither recognises the other officially (maps printed in both South and North show all of Korea without hinting that any border exists between the two). Reunification may yet take a while: no one is innocent in the tragic history of this country.

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Didn't they look like erect penises there over the line in their stiff uniforms and helmets while they were spitting on each other. Are you kidding me? There is more going on. There are more examples in the movie, but I'd have to watch it again and I'm not going to do that (I watched JSA with 2 other people, male and female, and they caught on).
There is a tool in story telling called metaphor. Webster's defines metaphor as, 'a figure of speech in which a word for one idea or thing is used in place of another to suggest a likeness between them (as in "the ship plows the sea").'
This divice is also used in films. So, on the surface this seems like they're just friends hoping to unite Korea, but it is actually a metaphor for being gay in a 'straight' society.
It's o.k. to read into movies. You are allowed. I know we are used to everything being pushed down out throats, but you gotta take some responsibility for your own thoughts.
Do you take everything so literal? Do you believe that the U.S. is in Iraq to fight terrorism? That is what we are told, but what is the real story? You can't let others think for you or tell you what to think - I don't.
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Check out the movie S.W.A.T. and try telling me that it's just a story about ass kicking hero's out to get the bad guy. There is more being said then what you're being told. It's the only reason to watch Hollywood movies.

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Lol...Wow, you're just hellbent on labeling JSA as a homoerotic film, aren't you?

Next thing, you're going to tell me Friend (2001) is a homoerotic film. Or perhaps Bittersweet Life (2005)?

It's one thing to read into films, it's quite another to just assume they're gay just b/c the movie deals with male-bonding (is that gay as well?)

And stop belittling other people's opinions by claiming that they're just offended. That's a pretty stupid thing to do.

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This thread didn't even concern you, anymore. You can't get enough of this. Do you just come back to this to frustrate yourself?
If you actually take a look at this thread,you two are the ones doing all the belittling.
The person asked for examples, so I gave them what I could remember. What is wrong with that? I am not assuming anything. I watched the movie and I have my reasons.
You are the one who won't let this thing go; you're the one who is hellbent on changing my opinion. If anyone needs to stop anything, it's you who needs to stop telling me what to do or what I'm thinking or what I'm going to think. You are not the end all of movie opine. You have latched on to this one statement and have made nothing but generalities and accusations toward me.
If you pay attention to the tone of your responses, you can see where one could find offense. The only stupid thing going on is people taking quotes out of context. Well, that and acting like anyone who disagrees with you or has a different opinion than you doesn't know what they are talking about.
There is obviously something that, deep down, scares you about my critique of this horrible movie. With the help of a good psychologist(to work with you they'll have to be really, really good if not great), you might figure it out.

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Nice, now I'm a homophobe. The last comment did have offense, in that you just label everyone who disagree with you as 'offended'. As for your argument, JSA = Homoerotic, I have no problem with except that I don't understand it. Since this discussion has turned into "You're a tard" vs. "You're a tard", I'm not going to be in it anymore.

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Finally. Thank you.

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Wait wait wait. So since you were watching this movie with both a guy and a girl. I assume you both were sitting down while watching it. (Who watches movies while standing?) Oh! So you sitting down symbolizes your limp and unerect penis! That must mean you're neither gay or straight, because if you were either of the two, you would stand while watching with someone.

By your logic, I can only conclude that you have no sexuality. You are thus a freak of nature, or maybe someone who had a dysfunctional pitutary gland, or maybe you're an alien from outer space.

They were standing because they were guarding the JSA, it was their duty in the army. It's like that in real life. So are N.Korean and S.Korean guards in real life, at the JSA, homosexual as well?

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Yes. I live my life as a movie and all I do is symbolic - like Jesus. *beep* it, I am Jesus (maybe Andy Warhol). I am an asexual parable that thinks all Korean soldiers are homosexual because I find one movie to have some very blatant overtones.
I sit when I eat, yet I stand when I shower - as you can tell, I am very confused.
Were you sitting while watching this movie?
Do you playfully spit on your friends?
By your logic, metaphor must be applied to all in all activities and not just held to the art of storytelling.
Be careful where you sit, you might not be able to get back up.

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"By your logic, metaphor must be applied to all in all activities and not just held to the art of storytelling."

No that is not my logic. Rather I'm inclinded to say it's your logic. Explain how two people standing face to face (when it's their duty) is homosexual. I guess people who stand in every movie is homosexual. Daesu stood up in Oldboy! He must be a homosexual! He cut off his tongue, he must be into S&M. Yeah right. I clearly don't see it. They're spitting because standing there for a few hours gets boring. It's no different than them making funny faces to each other.

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It is not my logic. I clearly stated that metaphor is device used in STORYTELLING not life. I never claimed that just standing makes them homosexual. It is clear that you only see a very limited, literal picture.
Do you actually believe that spitting on someone is the same as making faces at them? Glad you're not my friend, because that's just gross.
Bottome line, this movie is not above a Hollywood remake. It will be a perfect addition as it is nothing more that a Hollywood movie with subtitles.
Your arguements grow as tiresome as this movie.
Since you pay no attention to anything I actually say and are victim to hyperbole, I am done with this thread.

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The film does contain homo-eroticism in the Freudian sense - remember that Freud's theories of psychoanalysis are not to be taken literally. And also remember, that to apply such a label to most Asian films is putting our own Western knowledge and values onto something we may not fully understand culturally. Think of it more as being 'homo-social' than 'homo-erotic'. It is very much a 'male melodrama', a story that centres on a subversive longing for same-sex bonding.

That's the only thing I agree on with Alphadubomega. I am analysing this movie for my film studies essay and I think it's fantastic.

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Thank you for your discourse. Your critique is a bit more accessible than mine. I've never been known for my tact or subtlety.
What do you find so fantastic about this movie?
You already know my take on it: I find it formulaic and sentimental (cultural differences aside) with not much more to offer than your typical Spielberg fare: weepy orchestrations and patriotic nostalgia adding up to superficial emotional manipulation. That's just me. I didn't have any school spirit and I don't own an american flag. I don't have a patriotic bone in my body. I do know that my cultural view is very limited on this. If my city were suddenly split and access denied to some parts, I might want to spit on my friend in rememberance of the good ole days. But my interest lie way outside of the Hollywood formula. I find the cinema of Cassavettes, Herzog, Suzuki and Bava suitable to my tastes. Though, Oldboy and Mr. Vengeance are two of my favorites (Mr. Vengeance is probably my favorite screenplay; after seeing so much crap in movie theaters i.e. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Last Days, I actually cheered during and after Oldboy because I was so happy to know that there was someone out there doing interesting narratives within the Hollywood blueprint). That's probably where this one suffered most - I watched it right after I saw those and it was such a let down.
Thank you again for your much needed response.

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The only reason you gave for this movie being "homoerotic" is that their uniforms look like dicks (to you... That's very telling, BTW) and they were spitting on each other.
A) Those are the actual uniforms the soldiers wear, so that is only being accurate to reality and has no "metaphorical" interpretations to it.
B) The spitting game they are playing is something that is likely much more common in the Korean culture than in our Western culture. It's simply a cultural difference, that culture obviously does not see it being as "gross" as people in our culture may.

So, unless you had any other reasons, your entire homoerotic assertions have been cleared up and are entirely unfounded.


As for the movie being bad, that's your opinion. People get upset at you over that because you were stating your opinion as absolute fact and making fun of the movie. When people like movies, we tend to take them seriously, especially when the movie has the emotional impact on us that JSA has had on many of us (clearly). This is a movie that means a lot to a lot of people, so when a person starts making fun of it and giving no actual reasons why, it's only logical that people will get upset. Had you phrased your dislikes differently and given actual reasons for why you feel the way that you do, then people would likely not have gotten upset with you. It's all about your approach.

But I digress, since I did read all of your comments and fully realize that you are likely just another troll (one from 2006 at that!) since you made absurd statements about something that many people are very fond of and refused to refute what anybody said further than simply restating your original assertions and discrediting any disagreers with broad swipes.

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alphadubomega go die. JSAs nothing like swat, i dont care that you have gay fantasies while watching movies, just keep it to yourself.

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This movie has nothing to do with SWAT, and is nothing like it. I think excel958 pretty much explained why this movie is so great.

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alphadubomega youre an idiot!

This isnt the best film of all time (some terrible acting and inconsistent lighting are the first things to come to mind), but the connection between these soldiers is fantastic.

Aside from this, this film broke the rules of the usual anti North propaganda films the South made previously and actually treated both sides with respect. It shows a real lack of understanding to state "this movie is crap!" followed by stating this is why hollywood should not make it... how about that fact this would not translate in any way if set on American soil.

This is not why Im calling you an idiot, no its because your views are juvenile at best and you dont seem to realise that you contradict yourself when you tell someone not to take something so personally while making a personal attack against them.

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If you interpret homoeroticism into the part where we see the 2 north and 2 south Korean friends having a good time then you're a total *acko.
They are FRIENDS and happy because they managed it for the first time to overcome the borders. This is moving and the film depicts it very passionately.

So, get lost with your fascist bull*rap.

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LOL. Yeah, give it to Hollywood to make it less sentimental.

Is that even supposed to make sense?

You really have no idea..

PS. Dubbed. Lol.

"Oh this film is so cheesy. But certainly the substitution of the Korean monotone with ghey voices had no implication at all".

That's like chopping of your own penis and then whine that you don't have enough satisfiable intercourse...

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wow, I can't believe there are people out there who don't understand this movie...it's so straightforward, but still they have to bring "homo's" into this...silly people =/

I guess some people out there just don't understand good movies, so they can only assume the movie is "gay" to cover up their own idiocy.

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Wow.....I can't believe that someone will read homo-eroticism form JSA. Dear Sir, I really respect the idea of diverse opinions and I know, that you are entitled to one. But there is a possibility that you might be wrong sometimes. Again, I am not trying to be a bully but just want you to understand that your comment was really far fetched from reality. (Again, I know reality is what one perceives). But how about being mature enough and accepting it that maybe. just maybe, you could be a little wrong. Just watch it again and if you feel the same way, well we all should respect the diversity.

I am from India and we are in the same situation with Pak. I think I instantly connected with the idea behind the movie.Respect.

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Decent troll post.

So... do you like... stuff?

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I enjoyed the movie (gave it a 7), and I did catch on to the homosexual undertones. Obviously on the surface this is a movie about the stupidity of prejudice in war, but there are subtle metaphors in there too to make it relevant to other forms of life (coming out of the closet).

There were a couple of instances (the standing up spitting scene, and the shot of the two guys feet standing at the border where it looks like above-camera they might be kissing).

That said, the characters in the film weren't supposed to actually be gay, but I think that's what the people arguing with you think you mean.

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I don't know why people automatically think 'gay' when they see a movie about male bonding or male friendship. People don't know how to enjoy having fun without first considering whether the things they are doing are gay or not. Why is that? I think its just childish. Sure, when I see Top Gun I joke about how 'gay' the movie is, but of course I joke about it and it still is a decent film. But seriously can't people look beyond that? Also, in Korea friendship is extremely important and they don't say you are gay just because you are very close to a friend. This is actually a positive value. I don't know why the OP states that he has no cultural background and keeps insisting that the film is so gay. If you don't have any cultural background, why not research it and find out that in Korea the type of behavior is normal among close friends. The 'gay' undertones you are feeling is the deep friendship they develop through the film. But I guess in America people are too paranoid that they can't have a good time and be very close without thinking they're gay.

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1."I have not seen a movie this homo-erotic since..."
I got that vibe at fist but the keyword in this movie is "brother." The SK soldier and the NK soldier who saved his life decided to call each other brothers--not friends--and it has symbolic importance in expressing how North and South Koreans are essentially the same. It's metaphorical to how they are of one blood and the war is like one family killing each other.

2."this is a horribly cheesy movie"
Uh, did you even watch the movie to the end? The tragic ending of the "brotherhood" because fear, impulse and distrust ruins everything? This was anything but cheesy.

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you sir are a troll and a pretty good one at it...

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