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real life communication between NK and SK troops


is there any such thing still going on in JSA ?

I noticed that they stand virtually next to each other on the JSA concrete slab, all day, they must have felt something in common at some point or the urge to say something and when the tourist go away, do they relax and break the facade ?
are there any kind of direct communication at all ? like when the tourist hat gets picked up and handed over, etc

just curious

I will be visiting soon next year hopefully once I got all my holiday plans sorted.

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I've heard that people cross the border regularly. My colleague who is an ex-Captain in the South Korean army told me that.

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This movie was made in 2000 maybe some rules changed and Kim Jong Il wanted to be a little nice for a change or as i like to call him the Nutty North Korean Guy

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One of my cousins recently ended his service in the SK army in 2006, and he was posted by the border. He says there is some direct communication, but nothing like the friendly banter you see in this movie. Most of it is in the way of intimidating the other side.

At Panmunjom especially (where you see the long blue buildings and soldiers facing each other), there is a lot of staring down and intimidation. Although the politicians recently have been trying to be reconciliatory, this does not fly with the soldiers. It is very clear in their minds that they are facing their enemy and that bullets and bombs could start flying at any moment. North Korean soldiers take pot shots at South Korean guard posts about once every 3 months just to rattle their nerves, and this occurs fairly regularly.

The opening scene were you see both sides send a platoon after initial exchange of gunshot is actually quite real. My cousin told me of several times where his unit was placed on alert and was sent to the border fully armed and equipped because there was risk of imminent war.

Anyway, I'm rambling. If you want to hear more stories feel free to PM me =]

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I'm sure southies are taking shots at the North too.

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I'm sure southies are taking shots at the North too.


well said.

Arent you scared i mean if you are a south korean i would be *beep* scared knowing for a fact that there is north korean artillery facing seoul and that it could start firering at any moment.


Yes, I'm sure the "other" side doesn't feel the same.

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Arent you scared i mean if you are a south korean i would be *beep* scared knowing for a fact that there is north korean artillery facing seoul and that it could start firering at any moment.

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Let me first say that I enjoyed the movie very much.

Having said that, I was in the US Army in Korea for a year, and was in Panmunjom twice (in 1984). There is no way that anything like the all-night get-togethers they had could have happened.

This is the tensest place I have ever been. When going into the blue buildings where the border runs across the middle, you are strictly told to not make gestures of any kind. The thing to remember is that there was not an end to the war, only a cease-fire.

Originally, this area was a neutral-zone, where you could go into the North's side, and vice-versa. What changed this were murders that took place when the US sent a detail to trim a tree which was blocking the view of one of the guardhouses (this is mentioned in passing in the movie). The North came to stop them, and what ensued were two US soldiers being murdered. Since then the area became strictly divided, and you have to stay on your side of the border.

But the point is, there are multiple guardhouses on our side (and I'm sure the same is true of the North's), which are in sight of each other. If they had left to go across to the North, they would have been seen.

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i think anything is possible, the point that the film made was that the security was tense but fairly limited in the early hours of the morning

going from 1984, 31 years after cease fire, and saying that it'd be exactly the same 16 years later, 47 years after cease fire is simply stupid.

places change, people change, countries change, i think the fact that koreans made this film, says that, perhaps, they have a better understanding, and knowledge of the border and patrols etc than you, i'm sure they wouldnt have wasted such attention to detail in making a replica of jsa, only to *beep* it up by making it completely unrealistic.

plus the light heartedness of some of the soldiers, compared to the rigidity of others, is plain, and bold. the divide in personalities, and the divide in countries is prominent.

and finally my opinion of this film is that along with so many other sk attempts at peace, it's trying to lesson the severity of the situation, and nk's opinion of sk, with its soft attempt.

a truly amazing piece of cinema.

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Ok well then as a US soldier that just left there 3 months ago, let me say that SLCISHERE is still correct...and this is now 55 years later...they do not have all night get togethers and the hachet incident (the two US troops being killed over the tree trimming) is still a very real and talked about incident at the DMZ. North Korean troops and South Korean troops do not, I repeat, do not get along at all. As for koreans making the movie so they know how it is there...I can list off on all fingers and toes how many american movies just this year alone get US military life wrong so that arguement goes out the window

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Communication between NK troops and SK troops can always be possible.
Besides,both speak the same language and have the same culture.
The bottom line is both are Koreans.

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I am korean.

First, this film is based on a short-story which most critics thought unrealistic. (Everybody thought that any kind of communication with two side was impossible).

But, just before the release of the film, there happend un suicide case of a south-korean officer in this area. and... there were many suspiction about this case coz many evidences tells it was a murder, not a suicide. And... a diary of this officer (killed or suicided) was discovered. It tells that this officer was very worring about the COMMUNICATION between his soldiers and the north-koreans. He wanted to report this, but soon he was found dead.

So many people thought that maybe he was killed by his soldiers to keep secret this kind of friendly communication.

This case remains unsolved. Nobody knows the truth about it.

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i think people are getting a bit technical. i think the whole idea and purpose of the film is that "what if" a combination of 4 human beings are less concerned with the conflict of korea and deep down are after peace rather than war. i dont think its a case of whether this is actually done in the real world otherwise a lot of films in history should be slated for the same reason!!

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Are Americans stationed at the JSA today? I heard the entire DMZ, and later the JSA, were passed from UNC to ROK Army control not too long ago.

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Would the guardhouses be placed in such a way to give continual views of that specific area? My understanding was that these guys sort of were the guardhouse for that section, and while I know it makes sense to set up the points so as to be within view (it's something they've done since medieval times and before, setting castles within sight of each other so if one's attacked everyone will know), but the truth is even if towers on both sides could see this watch-post I don't know that the chances of one person being seen would be all that high. At least for a person who would be aware of what the procedure was for watching...I know for me where I work there's cameras everywhere but it wouldn't be very difficult to slip through blind spots if I know where all of them are. I could see the banter without much issue, the characters differ but there's stories in every conflict in human history of exceptions to the rule, German officers who befriended and saved Jewish prisoners and that sort of thing. People are still individuals, so it's not inconceivable that there are SK and NK who aren't AS hostile as others.

*shrug* it's definitely not likely with the popping back and forth, you could probably get away with tossing the letters like they do initially and I wouldn't be surprised if someone could manage to get across, but doing it consistently without getting caught (not to mention the other guys just "leaving their station" for hours at a time without getting caught) would be tough, getting lucky once or twice and making a habit of it are two different things. To their credit they don't imply it's normal in the film, the protagonists react to it as though it's really, really uncommon actually (when Lee Soo Hyuk first goes over there they have guns drawn and act like it's the first Southerner to be there in 50 years)

All around though, it's a fictional drama set in a real locale to give believability to the story. He could have done a futuristic sci-fi about two star empires separated for centuries with a similar basic plot line and it'd still have been a solid movie I think so long as the acting and mood and everything else were held onto

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A Korean friend of mine served in the JSA back in the mid 90's when it was under UN jurisdictions and I asked him if situations where North & South Korean soldiers communicating with each other could really happen.

He told me it did happen on rare occasions while he was in service. He said on one particular night, a superior of his returned to his quarters all drunk and boasting to everyone that he drank North Korean "tiger" booze. It's pretty obvious where that came from :)

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Its actually not that obivous, do tell...there is a common south korean beer called Tiger beer by the way...

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Tiger isn't a South Korean beer.

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Tiger is a Singapore based company, with breweries in other Asian countries, but not in Korea, although it is distributed there I believe.
It's available where I am here in New York, and I am quite fond of it. Tasty stuff.

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well guys, since my initial post, I have been to North Korea (once) and South Korea (twice) in both trip, I visited Panmunjom on both sides of the divide, I found it to be really fascinating stuff, the guide in the North was a former Korean Army Captain and did his time in JSA, he told me that there is no official communication between both sides, his standing orders was not to attempt any communication whatsoever, I got the same thing from the US guards, I did meet a former US serviceman, he showed me some photos of his time in JSA and there were some photos of the NK Guards standing on their own line smiling, same with the US servicemen, sometimes they are in the same photo, it seems that once the tourist goes away, there is some rare occasions were both sides do have some sort of rapport and the NKs love western cigarettes, so some trading could go on, the NK Kim Il Sung/Kim Jong Il badges are particularly collectible, as you could not buy them, I asked about getting one while in the North, they said it was not possible, did buy some in Dandong, China, where many North Koreans escape to and they sell their badges there.

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I'm no expert on N-S Korean relations by any means so I can't comment on the likelihood of the four guys becoming buddies, but there's a scene in the movie where two squads come face to face and their leaders come together to exchange cigarettes that's pretty interesting considering the number of soldiers involved. Sure there wasn't much interaction, but would this be any more or less likely to occur than the friendship? Either way it's a great scene.

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I think you might have missed the fact that the sergeants that exchange cigarettes are the same sgts. that become friends.

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Even still they are going on missions in the demilitarized zone, which would never happen.

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The closest they ever were, was at JSA everywhere else they were 3 km apart as per the armistice agreement.

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