Damien Lewis' performance


What an amazing performance.

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WVfilmfem, oh yes, what a performance. I finished it last night, and I'm still in awe of Damian Lewis.

I felt every possible emotion watching him play Soames. I hated him and was drawn to him in equal portions. That's the sign of a master class actor to play all facets of one person so clearly.

I wondered many times watching it did Damian Lewis have a hard time letting Soames go when he was off the set. I wonder if he stayed in character 24/7. He was Soames Forsyte through and through. Unbelievable he was.

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Oh, you finished it! You saw part 2 as well, with the scene between Irene and Soames at Robin Hill?

I felt every possible emotion watching him play Soames. I hated him and was drawn to him in equal portions. That's the sign of a master class actor to play all facets of one person so clearly.


Couldn't agree more. Damian Lewis was positively electric as Soames. He stole every scene, and gave an award-winning performance. He truly became Soames. Those subtle facial expressions, his perfect delivery, his body language -- everything. I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed in character 24/7 to attain such a masterful performance.

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He's ten times sexier than Benedict Cumberbatch but for some reason doesn't seem to attract the same kind of fanatic obsession as Cumberbatch. Besides "The Forsyte Saga," I haven't seen him in anything other than Wolf Hall, but he's *such* a good actor.

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I had to look Benedict Cumberbatch up to see who he is. I saw Atonement, but don't recall him from it. It was only when I saw Sherlock Holmes that the penny dropped. Although I've only seen one episode, it is a good show and he is good in it. No wonder so many people love the show.

I agree, Damian Lewis is, to me, much sexier. He's won a fan in me for his portrayal of Soames. I haven't yet seen him in anything except The Forsythe Saga and the series Life, which I watched solely because he stars in it. Life isn't a great show, but it's good. IMO it starts out strong, with an interesting premise and Lewis's character is intriguing, but falls apart a bit as it progresses.

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catbookss, I did finish it, and I did watch Part 2 also! I'm so glad I noticed Netflix is taking it down tomorrow which saddens me! I have to get the DVD.

That scene with Irene and Soames at Robin Hill touched me very much, especially Soames's part in that. When he walked away after their conversation with that look of satisfaction and contentment on his face, I was so happy for him. He had finally found some measure of approval from Irene, no matter how small, which is what he wanted all along amidst his awkwardness and obsession regarding her.

You mention his physical performance. I noticed how incredible that aspect was too. That clenched jaw, spitting words out between it and that stiff gait especially as he aged were superb. Those touches fleshed out that character fully.

Wow. I'm still thinking about what that man did with that role and will be for a while. Amazing!

I've enjoyed discussing the series with you and hilaryjrp! Thank you! :)

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Platinum, I'm so glad you got to see the whole thing, before Netflix took it down! I have the DVD, and think you won't regret that purchase. It's one of the few things I watch over again, never tiring of it, always seeing things from a slightly different perspective.

I was happy for Soames in that scene too. For both of them, but more for Soames than Irene, who'd already obtained a good measure of peace in her own life. They finally arrived at a peace, over a relationship that had tormented both of them for most of their lives, in different ways. I understand that scene isn't in the book, and I don't think in the '67 version either, and I think it was a wonderful addition, perfectly written and acted.

Other scenes that moved me:

In the two-year flashforward of Irene and Soames' marriage, Soames silently following Irene up the stairs to their bedroom, where Irene dutifully has sex with him. Obviously a scene that has played over and over during that two-year period. Soames is so incredibly insensitive to her, to how she feels. Her feelings about him have grown so repellent, she can barely touch him with her hands, yet she does it anyway, this most intimate act, because she knows it's her "wifely duty." Then her in the bathroom, so utterly miserable, and Soames so utterly clueless that she is.

When Soames has to choose between his wife and his child, and meanwhile his father is dying on the same night. The first time I saw it, I thought Soames was unspeakably callous, choosing an unborn heir over his wife. On subsequent viewings, I changed my mind. It was clearly an extremely difficult decision for him, over which he agonized. Rock and a hard place. Who would envy being in that position, having to make that choice?

The scene, later that night, when Soames arrives at his father's death bed. His father was the only person Soames truly loved, in a healthy way. He lied to him that his child was a son, knowing his father was dying, knowing it would be the one last thing he could do to make him happy. It was the right thing to do.

Irene during and after the rape scene. My god, she was like a severely injured animal, and Soames so unspeakably unaware of it, saying "Why can't it be like this all the time?" While he'd been drinking that night, his insensitivity to her wasn't much different than when he wasn't.

Soames in the carriage, after the dance: "What's wrong with me?!" He's so unaware of himself, he truly doesn't know. Also Irene's terror of him when he goes after her in his fury.

Soames breaking down after Irene left him, and also when Fleur was born.

Irene's terror when Soames stalked her, when she was helping the prostitutes who'd helped her.

Many other moments, but I'm focusing on Soames and Irene.

Yes, his jaw clenching! And the scene between he and his father when they were discussing what to settle on Winifred. So many other scenes as well. His body language when he had to choose between his wife and his child, and at the same time torn by wanting to be at his dying father's bedside. All of that, and so much more. How he stiffened his gait as he aged, yes. The scene with Fleur at the haberdashery's when he was trying on the straw hat and striped jacket. All so perfect.

I've enjoyed discussing the series with you as well. A few people post here regularly, Hilaryrp included, and it's wonderful to discuss this amazing mini-series with someone who gets the subtleties. Thank you!

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The long and short of it is that it's the best mini-series or limited series ever made.

I don't think enough can be said about the actress who portrayed Annette. The scene where Soames allows Fleur (as a very young child) to decide against Annette's wishes to wear a white dress: if any scene in any series says "Those who marry for money earn every penny of it," this is the one. Soames never pretends to love Annette; but Annette's situation is so much like Irene's.

I don't think there's a scene between the two women. I wish there had been, because ultimately, Annette *is* like Irene. She's who almost loses her life having the child Soames wants so much. She's driven to Prosper the way Irene is driven to Bosinney. We never get to see how much she loathes her husband, though, and for that reason, Annette is the most fascinating female character of the series.

The highest irony of all is that Fleur suffers for the sins of her father by being rejected exactly as he was--for reasons she can't help. I have no sympathy for Soames (and believe that, had the role been played by someone less handsome or intense than Damian Lewis, hordes of Soames fans would never be found). But the fact is that both he and Fleur are rejected by the people they love for reasons they can't help. In Fleur's case, the pompous Jon rejects her because of her father; and the poor kid ends up starting married life ironically exactly as Irene started it, without loving the man she married. In Soames' case, we do get the sense--at least in this version of the story--that Irene was repelled physically long before the wedding. This part, Irene's physical revulsion, is just gut-wrenching, both from Soames' perspective, but also from Irene's.

So the long and short of it is that the 2002 "The Forsyte Saga" is the best series ever made. Ever. I started watching "kultur vulture" series on Masterpiece Theatre with its very first production in 1971 and have never seen anything remotely close to it in terms of real-life verisimilitude. That it ironically should fall into the category of a "hat drama" is a hoot. This hat drama kicks ass.

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I don't think enough can be said about the actress who portrayed Annette. The scene where Soames allows Fleur (as a very young child) to decide against Annette's wishes to wear a white dress: if any scene in any series says "Those who marry for money earn every penny of it," this is the one. Soames never pretends to love Annette; but Annette's situation is so much like Irene's.


I thought the actress who played Annette was good, but I wouldn't call it a stand-out performance. Soames never pretended to love Annette, any more than Annette pretended to love Soames. Their marriage was essentially a business deal, on both of their parts. Soames laid out the terms he was prepared to give Annette and her mother to Annette's mother, and it was accepted by all three of them.

I see Annette's situation much different from Irene's. Irene was forced into it by her stepmother. It was either marry Soames, or her stepmother would throw her out onto the streets. Irene had lost both her mother and father, and had no remaining family. Annette had her mother, and the two of them were making a comfortable enough living working at the restaurant.

Irene wanted to marry for love. Annette told Fleur, right after Jon had broken things off with her, Annette thought the idea of marrying for love was "extraordinary," and that in France, people don't marry for love, they marry for children and for a good life. She added that "love was for love." She said similar to Imogen, at the engagement announcement, when she and Imogen were alone and she'd asked if Annette loved Soames.

Annette married Soames for a comfortable life, and she too wanted children. Soames wanted a child, an heir, and that's why he married her. Neither expected anything else; they went into it with their eyes wide open.

ultimately, Annette *is* like Irene. She's who almost loses her life having the child Soames wants so much. She's driven to Prosper the way Irene is driven to Bosinney. We never get to see how much she loathes her husband, though, and for that reason, Annette is the most fascinating female character of the series.


Soames wasn't obsessed with Annette, so he was able to be a decent enough husband to her, and she wasn't repulsed by him, as Irene came to be. Irene was miserable in her married to Soames, and Annette wasn't, so I don't see the similarity there either, and don't think Annette was driven to Prosper the way Irene was to Bosinney. I don't think she was driven to Prosper at all, it was just that she saw love as "being for love" -- a separate thing from marriage.

We didn't see Annette loathing Soames, because she didn't. They were companionable enough, in a marriage of convenience, with both getting what they'd expected. Even when Prosper came to the house and dumped Annette, when Soames saw how upset and shaken Annette was by it, in a surprisingly thoughtful and compassionate moment, Soames offered to take Annette to London, so she and Fleur could have a day shopping, buying a new wardrobe.

Later, when Fleur was so unfairly wretched to Soames, after doing what she'd begged him to do, knowing how hard it was for him -- going and talking to Irene and pleading Fleur's case -- Annette tried to comfort Soames over his loss of Fleur.

Why do you think Jon was pompous? I've just watched the whole series over again, with your statement in mind, and I didn't see that at all. I did see Fleur repeatedly lie to and manipulate everyone. Overall, she had herself to blame for what happened with Jon.

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I'm sorry, but I don't remember Fleur lying or manipulating. Can you give me some examples?

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Yes, I have lots of them. I took notes on that in this last rewatching of it. I don't have the time to give you all the examples now, but I will later. I'm surprised you don't remember Fleur lying or manipulating, because it was one of her most outstanding characteristics.

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Okay, I have the time now to answer you properly :)

Her first lie was about Val and Holly inviting her to their farm. She lied right in front of Val to Holly, saying Val had invited her when he hadn't. She was completely shameless about it, because Val obviously knew he hadn't invited her. She then pretended to Holly she wanted to become friends with her, and that’s why she wanted to come, when it had nothing to do with her wanting to be friends, it had solely to do with her desire to see Jon again. Then she lies to Winifred, right in front of Val and Holly, saying they’d both invited her to visit the next week, despite Holly saying it wasn’t convenient that week. Holly and Val were too polite to call her on it, or deny her. Later she told the same lie to her father, saying Val had asked her to the farm. All of this was very manipulative.

Once at the farm, drinking tea with Holly, clearly having no interest in getting to know her and becoming friends, Fleur again lies and says she’s there to get to know Holly. Holly, who's not a fool, knows Fleur is lying. Again.

She asks Jon if he’s a good liar. He says no, and she’s disappointed. Then says if they want to be friends, they have to keep it a secret from their families – i.e., lie.

Not a lie on Fleur's part, but telling of her, Jolyon asked Holly what Fleur was like, after the visit to their farm, and Holly replied “A rather having sort of a person.” (I.e., a Forsyte in the manner of Soames.)

Again not a lie, but another manipulation: When Fleur comes to say goodbye to Jon at the farm, she says she’s leaving then because she told her father her trip was only for the weekend and “besides, I want to keep him sweet.”

On the train ride on the way home, when it makes a stop, she holds down the handle of their compartment when a woman and her child try to get in, because she wants to be alone with Jon. Even though the train left the station seconds later, and she undoubtedly caused the woman and child to miss it, she laughed. No one else matters to Fleur, except Fleur and that she gets what she wants, which was more time alone with Jon.

When Jon arrives home and greets Irene and Jolyon, Irene asks him about Fleur – if he saw her, what she’s like. He said oh she was so-so, acts very nervous and evasive, and naturally this worries Irene and Jolyon, knowing it wasn’t like Jon to behave that way and knowing it had something to do with Fleur and her influence on him.

When she and Soames go into town to buy clothes together, she lies to him again, saying she needed to visit her club to post something, when she was really going to meet with Jon in the park.

Shortly after this Soames confronts Fleur, saying he knows she was with Jon at Val’s farm. She lies again, telling him she hadn’t seen Jon in three weeks, or written or spoken to him, adding “Cross my heart, hope to die.”

She lied to Jolyon about who she was when she went to Robin Hill when Jon was in Europe with Irene. Later she says to Jon about this, “It [her saying who she was] didn’t come up, and when it did, it was too late” – another lie. It did in fact come up early on in the conversation, and there was nothing preventing her from saying who she was instead of lying, but, it didn't serve her interests to be honest and straightforward. Justifiably, when Jolyon later meets her as Fleur, he's angry that she lied to him about who she really was.

After Monty’s funeral Soames asks again if there’s nothing between she and Jon, and again she lies and says there isn’t.

Jolyon comes to the cottage Jon, and Fleur, were staying in, and he was quite nice to her, even apologizing for how unpleasant he was to her when the four of them had tea at Robin Hill. He confided in her that he was seriously ill, that neither Jon nor Irene knew about it, and appealed to her better nature, asking Fleur to end things with Jon, because once he died, Irene would be all alone (knowing that Soames was still obsessed with her, and would come after her -- which he did). Fleur agreed to it, although understandably reluctantly, but by the time Jon returned to the cottage, she went back on her word to Jolyon, and had concocted her plan for them to establish residency in Scotland, where they could marry without parental permission. That was an awful, and dishonest thing to do. I do, however, give her credit for telling Jon that Jolyon had not come there to check up on him, and she did attempt to get Jon to go back home and make amends with his father. Once again, no character was written without any redeeming value, including Fleur.

When she came to Jon right after his father died, she asked him “Is it very awful?” that was the second sentence she said. When he replied “Pretty bad,” her very next thing she said was that the suitcases were still in Scotland, and the trains run every day. His father had JUST died and all she can think about it what she wants: to get married ASAP to Jon, she didn’t care about his grief. What a horribly selfish, insensitive creature, and Jon realized it in the moment, but was all too soon seduced by her and allowed himself to be manipulated by her.

After Soames comes to Robin Hill to try to plead Fleur’s case, and Fleur came to the back of the house, Irene approached her and very gently told her to “Go home with your father, my dear, give us all some time to think.” But what does Fleur do? She berates Irene, told her “Don’t touch me!” accused her of pretending to make herself look nice and lying so Irene could “have him all to herself," even though that was far from the case. She then spat at Irene “He’s mine, you understand? Mine!” Never mind Irene had said several times the decision was Jon’s, and had apologized to him for keeping him away from Fleur. What a b!tch!

Then she turns on Soames, when he comes and tries to comfort her! She hits him, pushes him, and yells at him, both outside the house and in the carriage. Soames had done nothing but coddle and try to please Fleur, even at his own expense. When she asked him to intervene and plead her case with Irene, he told her it would only "stir things up," and as we know, that's exactly what it did. But, selfishly, she insisted he do it anyway, regardless of his feelings, to which he replied to her "You don't really care about me!" And it's true, she didn't. She cared only about what she wanted, no matter what the cost to anyone else, including her own father.

After that, she won't even speak to him, and treats him abominably, right up to the wedding with Michael Mont. Soames asks Annette why she treats him this way. She says "This boy, Jon Forsyte, he’s hurt her. She’s angry." He responds "Why with me?" Annette replies, accurately and with some compassion "Because she can."

Fleur's final lie was to Michael Mont. He didn’t want to marry her unless she was through with her feelings for Jon, and loved him (Mont). He specifically asks her if she loves him, and if she didn’t, said they should call it off. “Face to face, can you tell me you love me?” She lied, deceiving him.

Michael Mont was the most likable and honorable character in the series. His only real flaw was wanting Fleur and not being able to see the kind of person Fleur really was, which was a lying and manipulative b!tch. He deserved much better than Fleur, who'd flirted with him (the scene in the boat after the train ride home with Jon, splashing water at him), whom he made laugh and she obviously liked him, and whom she deceived.

Fleur was beautiful, and had a certain appealing joie de vivre, but beyond that, she was overall a lying and manipulative person, lacking integrity and character. And so, I have a hard time sympathizing with her.

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Excellent and thorough explication, catbooks. I would add only one thing: imo, when Fleur went to Robin Hill the day of Jolyon's Memorial Service, it was to deliberately seduce Jon. I think she believed it would bind him to her permanently if they gave their virginity to each other. It was a manipulative (and somewhat desperate) act of trying to regain control over their relationship. Tres manipulative.

Oh, and I'll also add that Jolyon and Irene feared Fleur's influence over Jon because he had never been one to tell lies before his relationship with her.

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Fleur, like Annette, did nothing unforgivably wrong in regard to the men in her life. Neither was as complex, unlucky, and delicate as Irene, but that isn't their fault. People are different. None of these three women deserved the degree of hardship that Soames, and then Jon, inflicted on them.

An initial revulsion to Fleur as a reminder to Irene of Soames--this was natural on Jolyon's part. Soames only made things worse when he showed up at Robin Hill and, like, totally forgot the reason he came...yet again, it was all about him.

This still doesn't excuse Jon for becoming, in essence, another Soames. In Jon's case, he might not have owned a lot of physical possessions. But proud men who aren't rich often own *lots* of "principle." It's why so many poor liberal men will *beep* any woman who falls for them and still consider themselves virtuous; they own so damn much principle. The only reason Jolyon escapes, at least partially, condemnation on the same grounds is that he married Helene and stuck with her...although even his constancy could be seen, from a certain perspective, as lifelong nose-thumbing at his father and the Forsyte name.

The men in this saga make the women suffer, and damn long.

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I respectfully disagree.

Fleur, like Annette, did nothing unforgivably wrong in regard to the men in her life.


You don't think Fleur lying to Michael Mont, who wanted to marry for love, did love her, and made it abundantly clear to her he wanted only to marry for love, telling her they should call off the wedding if she didn't love him, was an unforgivable wrong? I do.

Fleur wasn't forced into marriage, as Irene was, threatened with a life of abject poverty. She was wealthy, she could have easily waited until her pain from her loss of Jon subsided, and then moved on to look for someone she loved, and who loved her. She was beautiful, wealthy, and had every advantage that Irene, and even Annette, did not.

When Jon's father had just died, she came to him, not to comfort him in his grief, because she's far too selfish for that, but because she wanted to talk him into continuing with her plan for them to elope, right then. It was the second sentence out of her mouth. How is that not a wrong, being so indifferent to the person whom she supposedly loves profound loss of his father, and making it all about her?

None of these three women deserved the degree of hardship that Soames, and then Jon, inflicted on them.


I will give you Irene; Soames did treat her horribly. Although, even she later came to realize she should never have agreed to marry him, and that it was wrong. She also said she'd more than paid for it, and I agree, she did. But what hardship did Soames and Jon inflict on Annette and Fleur?

Soames did nothing but pamper and allow himself to be manipulated by Fleur, granting her her every wish, even at his own expense. Right before the wedding, to Mont, he even told her she didn't have to go through with it, that she could end it right there and leave, despite the scandal it would undoubtedly cause. Because he cared about her happiness.

What hardship did Soames inflict on Annette? Neither of them went into it thinking they loved one another. He wanted an heir; she wanted children, and a comfortable life, neither married for love and both were very clear about it before they married. No deception. Annette got the comfortable life and child she wanted, which Soames provided and he was quite generous to her. Soames got the heir he wanted. Even though he longed for a boy, he was brought to tears when holding his first (and only) child, a girl. He didn't hold it against either Annette or Fleur, as was often enough the case back then. To the contrary.

When Annette took a lover and wasn't discrete enough about it so her daughter, and some anonymous person found out about it and wrote to Soames, he was understandably angry and humiliated. This was his second wife who'd betrayed him, publicly, and he'd remained faithful to both.

Even so, when Profound came and announced he was leaving, dumping Annette, and Soames saw how distraught she was about it, he, in a surprisingly thoughtful and empathetic moment, suggested they go to London, so Annette and Fleur could go on a shopping spree and get new wardrobes, to help Annette feel better. She even took his hand briefly and thanked him, acknowledging his sensitivity to her feelings.

When she was delivering Fleur, and the doctor thought it was a choice between saving either the child or Annette's life (an untenable position to be in), Soames asked Monty -- although really himself -- "What would she want?" He knew she too wanted children, and would be unable to have any if the doctor did the surgery. Would the monster you're painting him to be to Annette (and Fleur) have even thought that, let alone been anguished by the awful choice he had to make?

Jon was very good to Fleur, and, like Soames, allowed her to manipulate him. He was an honest, straightforward sort of person. She was disappointed he wasn't a good liar. If I had a child who became evasive and dishonest after becoming involved with and influenced by someone, you'd better believe I'd be worried about the future of that pairing.

Jon found out Soames, the father of the woman he loved, had not only been married to his mother, but had "violently, forcibly" raped her. Fleur denied any wrongdoing on Soames' part, and blamed Irene, his mother. His father then told him the reason he didn't want the pairing was because after he died, Irene would then be all alone, without any protection, and that an obsession such as Soames' with Irene, wouldn't just "go away." As we know, Jolyon was right.

Soames only made things worse when he showed up at Robin Hill and, like, totally forgot the reason he came...yet again, it was all about him.


He did make things worse, but why was he there to begin with? He didn't want to go. He told Fleur that several times, and it was very clear how distraught he was at the thought of it -- he even told her it would only "stir things up," which it did. Fleur didn't care about that, only about what she wanted, so she wheedled and manipulated him until he gave in, against his will and better judgment. In a rare moment of insight about her, he exclaims "You don't care about me!" He was right. He was also right that it would only "stir things up" (his obsession with Irene), which it did. Predictably.

Jon, who's been told about what Soames did to Irene, and that if he and Fleur married, would leave Irene at Soames' mercy, walked into the room when Irene and Soames had been talking, and finds his mother frightened, backed up into the piano -- exactly the kind of thing his father had warned against, and here he was seeing it with his own eyes.

Then Fleur comes to the back yard, where he and his mother are sitting, and she attacks Irene, who's been nothing but kind to her and even gently tells her to go home so they can all think things over more clearly, and who has repeatedly said the decision was Jon's, not hers. But Fleur, in her possessive selfishness, viciously attacks Irene, claiming Irene wants Jon for her own, and exclaims "He's MINE!" Put yourself in Jon's place. How would you have reacted? I would not have taken Fleur's side either.

And then there's Fleur agreeing to marry Michael Mont, very soon after all of this happens. Why on earth would Jon, who'd seen Mont with her and knew he was in love with her, not be upset about this? Fleur had no compelling reason to marry so quickly. Why would he not doubt the sincerity of her feelings? True, he still wasn't willing to resume his relationship with her, and I don't blame him for that, so there was some amount of unfairness in that scene, but I do think punishing Jon was partly why she agreed to marry Mont so quickly. That and the conversation her mother had with her about marriages not being for love, and marrying someone who cares more about you than you do about them (even though that wasn't the case with she and Soames).

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Another thorough, detailed response, catbookss.


But Fleur, in her possessive selfishness, viciously attacks Irene, claiming Irene wants Jon for her own, and exclaims "He's MINE!" Put yourself in Jon's place. How would you have reacted? I would not have taken Fleur's side either.



The word "mine" repeated several times in that emotional confrontation must have hit Jon like a ton of bricks. The Forsyte "disease" of possessiveness was one of the things Jolyon set out to escape, when he left with Helene -- but for the irony of him finally showing his Forsyte colors at the end, being possessive over Jon.

Have you ever read Galsworthy's preface to the Saga? Here's a paragraph in which the author discusses Jolyon's possessiveness:

A criticism one might pass on the last phase of the Saga is the complaint that Irene and Jolyon those rebels against property — claim spiritual property in their son Jon. But it would be hypercriticism, as the tale is told. No father and mother could have let the boy marry Fleur without knowledge of the facts; and the facts determine Jon, not the persuasion of his parents. Moreover, Jolyon’s persuasion is not on his own account, but on Irene’s, and Irene’s persuasion becomes a reiterated: “Don’t think of me, think of yourself!” That Jon, knowing the facts, can realise his mother’s feelings, will hardly with justice be held proof that she is, after all, a Forsyte.
https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/g/galsworthy/john/man/preface.html

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No response? I went to a lot of effort to make notes of Fleur's lying and manipulations and give you examples, as you specifically asked for them. There are, as you can see, a lot of them.

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I have to confess that I don't remember those moments at all. I have to re-watch the rest of the episodes one of these days.

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I'm very surprised that, being as much of a fan of the show as you are, you don't remember these scenes. Fleur's lying and manipulations were the most outstanding characteristics of her character. I don't understand how you could have missed it.

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I think you can blame it on the fact that I felt a bit sorry for Fleur, so that is why I might have overlooked some flaws in her character, which happen to be obvious to some other viewers. And it has also been like seven years since I last watched those episodes, so I don't remember all the details anymore.

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but I don't remember Fleur lying or manipulating.

I indulge my daughter.


Soames knew it, he put up with it. Their relationship was a lot of pain/love.

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