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posted 19 years ago by TreeHuggerKyle
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Somebody else posted this same question, what happened with Troy? I assume Tommy killed him, but do we have any evidence other than Tommy having his car? He was kind of a jerk anyway :-P

Also, the girl that came on to Tommy that he hit, and then they found her body the next day ... when we first saw it on the news, I figured that Tommy killed her kind of accidentally, just by delivering that one big shot to the jaw of a fairly small teenage girl, which might be enough. But when we see Tommy being very violent on several occasions after that, maybe he just went off on her like he did a couple other times. So what exactly became of her ... I guess my question is, did he kill her on purpose or by accident?

[–] deca76 19 years ago

He couldn't control himself whenever a woman touched him... it would remind him his mother.
so, if you could say it was by accident with the girl...

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[–] zzaacc44 18 years ago

he did look almost shocked when he saw the news maybe its kinda split personality when somone touches him and e doesnt fully comprehend what hes doing

[–] KAnnD86 18 years ago

Yeah, I think it was a temporary insanity type deal. Not responsible for his own actions and all that.

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[–] jabberttp 16 years ago

First off, I thought this was a wonderful movie about very sensitive and heart-wrenching themes.

But I viewed Tommy's reaction to seeing the news quite simply. Since the girl was discovered, the authorities would then be after him.

As this was the first person he killed. He may have "viewed" that he was responsible for him mother's death (sad on many levels), but he wasn't.

By the way, Tommy later killing Troy? Can that be explained directly by Tommy's traumatic experience of incest and later seeing his father kill his mother?

I don't think so. Tommy reacted only a "bit" violently when protecting Shelly (Troy first threatened Tommy (on the dance floor) then Tommy saw Troy starting to man-handle Shelly) by squashing Troy's hand in the door.

But going back and killing Troy to procure a getaway car? That's a little hard to explain.

[–] Janebo 18 years ago

He totally looked surprised when he heard about her, so yeah, I'd say temporary insanity for sure. Someone had a very good point when they said he equated sex with death--it was certainly equated with violence as well.

Good movie though!

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[–] davemain-1 18 years ago

When he was having that dream about Garcia's daughter and threw her off of the train into the incoming one that shocked the hell out of me - just didn't see it coming at all.

Alright it turned out it was just a dream, but at the time I was just stunned...

[–] sestra151 16 years ago

How was his relationship with Shelley? On the one hand he said he would never hurt her, and wanted her with him, even if at the time he was holding a gun on her. Were his violent outbursts uncontrollable in that he didn't consciously commit them? He became friendly with Shelley FIRST, so I wonder if at any time, he would be able to better cope with her, over a girl who just flung herself at him (girl at the rave). Or would he eventually have hurt or killed her too?

[–] AriArnold 16 years ago

I think you have a good point in saying that Tommy might be better able to deal with Shelley than with the girl at the rave, who just wanted sex with him.

This is supported by the fact that he told Shelley 'no', when they were about to kiss, instead of hurting her. On the other hand, he also had a good relationship with the social worker and trusted her (since he came to her house), and yet he hit her, when he was mentally cornered with her knowing about the abuse and the prospect of staying at the home.

So I think that Andy Garcia was right, when he said to Tommy (after Tommy saying that he would never hurt Shelley): 'You know that you cannot keep this promise'

My opinion on why Tommy was so shocked when he saw the news about the murdered girl at the rave: He knew that he hit her, but didn't expect her to die from it. Which is consistent with what we saw. At least I didn't know that she was dead until the news programme.

[–] wendnesday2002 15 years ago

Did Tommy and mr Hunter get kill by the train in the end? thanks

[–] przgzr 13 years ago

He didn't intentionally kill Chloe either. It was more like an accident, she probably died because of head injury when she fell and, also, don't forget that she was on drugs so it could have influenced the final outcome as well.

He didn't want to kill Chloe and especially didn't want to kill Shelly. Chloe was a stranger, but he didn't have anything against her, while Shelly was his true friend and he wanted to protect her.

After his mother's death which was a direct consequence of his sexual intercourse with her Tommy started to blame himself what led him to believe that every woman having sex with him would die. So he was protecting Shelly by pushing her away (and if necessary hitting her); in some kind of way he was even protecting Chloe but after her tragic death he got one more prove that every sexual contact with him ends with woman's death.

[–] ARH 18 years ago

I think he freaked out and because he couldn't handle it just blacked out what happened.

[–] Zipper69 18 years ago

I suspect that him offing Troy was probably scripted and maybe even filmed but lost in the final cut, remember also in the slightly earlier scene where Garcia is waiting for Tommy outside the Home he "sees" Tommy drive up in Troy's car, but it "snaps back" to the cop driving up "You working late, Doc?"

[–] NINnerd 16 years ago

Zipper69 - That wasn't Garcia hallucinating or anything. That was to trick the audience into thinking that Tommy was pulling up in front of Garcia. When in fact, Tommy was pulling up in front of Barbara's (Teri Polo's) house. Just to fake out the audience. Because Garcia wouldn't have hallucinated Tommy being in Troy's car.

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[–] Altair37 17 years ago

I watched the film today with the screenwriter, Miguel Tejada-Flores. He confirmed that the "business" that Tommy and Troy had was Tommy killing him. His body was in the trunk the whole time.