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does anybody here believe in Nessie?


If you ask any of my friends, I'm a Nessie maniac. I've read almost every book on Nessie and seen most of the movies that has Nessie in them, and I even went to Loch Ness myself and met a researcher there. The only sad thing was I didnt learn any new info during my visit, and it seems the researches didn't have any spirit or belief that Nessie exists, what was even more sad was that I knew more info and the history of the creature than they did. Oh well no matter what, I always believe, and I remember when I was there at the Loch I had a strange feeling something unhuman was nearby that lurked in the dark waters... it's a feeling that everyone gets I'm sure when you feel in danger, but this feeling has never failed me. I know everyone thinks this movie is crap, well... I guess it is, but the only thing I liked in it was the beautiful scenery of the Loch and Urquart castle. I just hated the plot where they make Nessie a mad 'monster' drowning and killing everyone I mean, Nessie has always been seen as a quiet, harmless creature who does just its buisiness and doesn't really interfer with humans and if 'it' comes in contact with a human it gets easily frightened and dives back into the icy waters.
Anyways... who else here believes?

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Magic Fairy -
If you want to believe in Nessie, go ahead. If you want to believe Nessie is a sweet, gentle creature just trying to go about her own business - go for it!

I was in Scotland on a tour with about fifty older people who all said there is no monster. However, when we drove around the loch, every eye and camera was trained on the water - the whole way!

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i believe in loch ness,yeti,bermuda triangle,ailens,mothman,and atlantis

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I want to first say that I once wasted a perfectly good evening watching this film but I can actually say "I've seen worse" (if you can believe that).

Oh I don't know, about 2 years ago I would have said small chance but now I would have to say large chance. It was after I learned that planet earth is a few years over 6,000 now and what dinosaurs were thought to have lived millions of years ago, actually lived the same as us and have only recently died off (most anyway). Though they were called dragons when they lived.
To my answer, yes I would believe that Nessie exists or did at one point in recent history.

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"It was after I learned that planet earth is a few years over 6,000 now and what dinosaurs were thought to have lived millions of years ago, actually lived the same as us and have only recently died off (most anyway). Though they were called dragons when they lived."

I think you've been listening to too many Kent Hovind tapes. ;)

The "YEC" (Young-Earth Creation) view came about due to a particular interpretation of the Bible. Flat-Earthers and Geocentrics also use the same "evidence" to support their views. There is no scientific data to support them at all. A good theological view should be compatible with reality, i.e. Theistic Evolution.

Anyway, I don't think there are any monsters in Loch Ness. Or any other loch in Scotland for that matter (there are several loch monster myths that I know of, "Morag" being one of them).

I thought the movie was crap, but the fake accents were funny. :)

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"The "YEC" (Young-Earth Creation) view came about due to a particular interpretation of the Bible. Flat-Earthers and Geocentrics also use the same "evidence" to support their views. There is no scientific data to support them at all. A good theological view should be compatible with reality, i.e. Theistic Evolution."


apparently you listen to scientists too much, since there is no scientific data to support evolution either,

listening to Kent Hovind videos is a good thing, sure he may not be exactly right on everything, but nobody else is either

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and yea i do believe in Lochness monster, they dont want to find it becuz that would mean the Bible is correct, they would rather spend money on dumb crap like goin to mars to find life

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I don't get the big deal with beliveing.
I really don't see why we should act like we know everything.
For my part I don't see a lot of reasons Not to believe.

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I believe, I’m not one of those people that has to see in order to believe. I mean there are so many things that we (humans) don’t know about. Did you know that for generations’ people thought the Giant Squid was a myth that it wasn’t really, but it did exist and we now have solid evidence, we even now know of a squid that is larger then the Giant Squid, the Colossal Squid. Other then having no solid poof that Nessie exists there is no proof to say that she or he doesn’t. The is Loch extremely deep it has thousands of under water caves, who knows what is down there.

The Mystery of Loch ness has been going on for decades, so if there was only one creature , it may have died by now, but who knows. Though I believe Nessie exists or at least did, if it has since died. I hope it remains mystery/Myth and that no solid evidence is ever found.


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D*m...watch the news more often people!!! Don't you remember when scientists found the whole group of Latimerias(people thought that this fish died 160mln years ago)
in the Indian Ocean, so if they survived so could Nessy too,besides the Loch Ness
lake has several channels running straight into the ocean so Nessy or that creature in the lake could just swim out of there...that's why scientists can't find anything there with sonars. I just can't understand people who think that this is not possible! ;(

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Maybe you should look at the map....and examine it more closely!!!
And I don't know who found them cos it was long ago.
Don't have any photos..never been to Scotland.

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d*m... if your friends didn't see anything that doesn't mean that Loch Ness monster don't exist.
Secondly if you read some posts about Loch Ness here you could even see there that there are channels leadind to the sea or ocean, and such maps exist cos I have one!!!
And something still lives or lived in the lake and in the ocean cos water objects are very hard to explore and any creture could survive there, even huge unknown mammal or reptile.

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I believe that there is something in the loch, but not nessecarily a large monster that looks like a dinosaur. I think that Nessies do exist, but are probably the size of a large dog. I have no idea what kind of fish, but I do know large fish migrate to the Loch each year, which could 'feed' the Nessies. Also, maybe the reason we haven't found any bodies is because the creatures a cannibal. Does that make any sense?

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How?

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1. I never said they *were* sturgeon, I mean that the creatures could *eat* the sturgeon. Thanks for finding out the name! =)
2. I mean when they die. Lions do that. Some dogs do that. Lots of animals eat their dead. Anacondas eat their still-borns.

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The channels you refer to are actually The caledonian canal - which is 15 feet wide,used by pleasure boats and has canal locks which you have to have manually opened to let a boat through - and the River Ness - which is very shallow in places, runs through the city of inverness and also has two swing bridges on it before you get to a weir, all of which nessie would have to negotiate before reaching the sea. It's not possible for nessie to just slip in an out of the loch as you suggest. Sorry!

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NO!First of all, Loch Ness has only one exit to the sea and it is a canal full of locks so unless the monster can climb out of the river Ness to open the locks it could not get to the sea. Secondly the long necked plesiosaurus theory is dead in the water as they were reptiles and needed heat to warm their blood. Ever been to loch Ness in January? The monster could be a sturgeon because they grow to a large size or maybe a large eel, but as a dinosaur that has some how managed to live for millions of years....Come on!

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Loch Ness Has one river flowing out of it to the sea. ONE! And it has locks on it. So unless Nessie can climb out and open the locks and close them again Nessie is going nowhere.

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I believe very much that there was a , as cryptozoologists say, a aquatic unknown creature, or a aquatic dinosaur, but I dont believe it is there now. the very earliest reports suggest that it is very true. email me privatly and I will tell you my theory.

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Interesting debate going on here. But to go off topic, was this actually filmed at Loch Ness? I haven't been there, but it didn't look like the pictures of the Loch that I've seen. And I don't think the modest budget would have allowed for them to use the real location, surely?

As to Nessie, well, we're always making new discoveries so there is a possibility. I think what is more interesting is the proliferation of these kind of legends worldwide. Lake Champlain in Canada/USA, Lake Okanagan in Canada, Wenbu Lake in Tibet, the swamps of the Ubangi-Congo basin; these are just a few examples of natural bodies of water said to be the homes of unidentified 'monsters'. Why this universal fascination (and possibly fear)?

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I don't know the facts but that was never Loch Ness they filmed at. They made no attempt to make it look like the Loch. The grass was orange! I also found laughable the films idea of a Scotish pub. It was a dark bar. Terrible Terrible film even if you take away the dreadful accuracy issues.

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Last week, Japanese scientists placed explosive detonators at the bottom of Lake Loch Ness to blow Nessie out of the water. Sir Godfrey of the Nessie Alliance summoned the help of Scotland's local wizards to cast a protective spell over the lake and its local residents and all those who seek for the peaceful existence of our underwater ally.

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What's your source for that information about the Japanese scientists and the explosives? It sounds like nonsense to me. I certainly HOPE it's nonsense.

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OK maybe I'm an idiot! I just haven't seen Napolean Dynamite yet although
I do have it on dvd. Maybe that will learn me to do a bit of research
BEFORE posting! ! !

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Is there a Nessie? Well it all depends on how you look at it.

Skeptics will say that if Nessie was an ancient reptile then the lakes and rivers are too cold for reptiles.

This is how I'll answer to this: How much do we really know about the ancient animals? For all we know Nessie might be able to breathe underwater.

Skeptics will also say that pleiseisaurs died out years ago.

Do we really know that? For decades, people have told stories about "dragons". Where do you think dragons came from? Their stunning resemblance to dinosaurs can't be just coinedence. But if I'm correct the first dinosaur fossils were found in the 19th century, but dragons were spoken of in medeival times, meaning that these people must have been seeing something.


Now we are going to look at this from a religous point of view.

According to the Bible the Earth is 6,000 years ago and sometime between there and now there was a great flood. Christian scientists have credited the flood for killing off the dinosaurs, but there's no reason for the ancient pleiseisaurs and pliosaurs not to have survived. Also, fossils of their kind have been found in England where Loch Ness is located.

In the book of Job, the Bible mentions a levithan and a behemoth, both of which do not fit the description of a crocodile, fish, hippo, or elephant correctly. But the behemoth fits a sauropod nicely and a levithan goes well with the ancient pliosaurs.

So you have seen the possibilities of Nessie from a scientific point of view and a religous point of view and
I have concluded that it is a possibility that there might be a Nessie, Champ, or Ogopogo.

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Hmm, interesting, but I'd like to point out that fossils of extinct animals were being found way before the 19th century. For example, it's been suggested that belief in the ancient world of the Griffin was fuelled by the physical remains of protoceratops fossils; they were widely found in the Gobi desert, the area where the ancient Greeks said Griffins resided; they had beak-like mouths, large claws, long-tails, were quadrupeds about the size of a large cat and layed eggs...hence..the griffin, part eagle, part lion.

It doesn't mean that griffins were real, just that that is how the society of the time interpreted the fossils. In the same way that in the 19th century people began interpreting them as dinosaurs because scientific developments opened up new ideas about the creation and history of the earth and new interpretations arose.

I would say that stories about lake-monsters are just advanced forms of folk-tales; they serve as warnings to stay away from the unknown and the dangerous i.e. a large body of water. It's only nowadays that we are trying to find concrete evidence of Nessie (and other monsters) in order to fit in with our secular scientific-based interpretation of the world.

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There is also supposed to be a similar "monster" in the Chesapeake Bay, which goes by the name of "Chessie". Couple sightings and photos.

In the case of Chessie, she would have left in the 70's. Besides the fact that the Bay is too darn shallow (I think the average is maybe 10 or so feet, excepting in the dredged channel (which is where all the shipping is concentrated in), the fact of the matter is that Hurricane Agnes in the 70's dumped so much rain in the Chesapeake Bay that at least 2/3rds of the life in it was killed off from the sediment. I have done some scuba diving in the Bay in aid of the State of Maryland and a non-profit group examining efforts to bring life back to the Bay. Not happening so far. The bottom is literally like a desert. The only place where it looked good was a pilot project where cinder blocks were dumped on the bottom. Those are like huge concrete bricks with two large rectangular holes through the body. The advantage of that is that it gives a firm base for thing to attach onto, and gives lots of holes for things to hide in and stop being pushed by the tides/currents. Frankly, it looked like a paradise in comparison to the rest of the bottom--the equivalent to a reef down south. The project was one to seek a way to protect Bay oysters so they can thrive and filter out the water of the Bay. There are reports from the 18th century that say that there were oysters the size of dinner plates, and estimates that the entire volume of the Chesapeake Bay was filtered through oysters every three days!

The State of Maryland won't allow a large scale project with cinder blocks on the justification that they would not be able to dredge cinder blocks. Never mind the fact that the project would only be done in wildlife protected waters, and therefore supposedly protected against dredging in perpetuity. They only allowed used oyster shells to be dumped, and the result was predictable--the bottom ooze and sand swallow them up.

So, maybe there was one in the Chesapeake Bay, but she would have had to move on to better hunting grounds.

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the first reports of anything at loch ness was a 13th centuary monk who said he felt a strange spirit, around the turn of the centuary the monstor was discribed as being like a millipeed, but with seqments the size of cows. the dino shaped nessie s a concept only 30 years old, after a lot of sightings and photos showed a tall curved neck.
i cant help feeling the science is forming the signtings, not the other way round.

its worth noting that they have found many dead sea lions in the lock, who have come from the sea. im sure they make up a large % of the sightings. im not saying its not true 100% but im pretty sure. yes we are still discovering new forms of life and fish thought to be dead millions of years ago, yes the lock is deep (but nothing compared to an ocean), but no there is not a huge monstor in that single lock,
there may be medium sized aquatic mamel that resides there every so often (even one we have never seen), but nessy as its been described here is a childrens story that has been nourished and encouraged by the scotish tourist board.

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If you guys really want a good Loch Ness Monster story then I suggest you read THE LOCH by Steve Alten. Although I don't agree with his version of Nessie (however it is possible I guess) this is by far the best Loch Ness story, either film or book, I have ever seen. I also hear it is possibly being made into a movie which would finally give us Nessie fans a true movie we deserve after all this crap we've had to watch before.

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Recently discovered evidence suggests that the theory Steve Alten cites in his novel may indeed be true. Visit his website for more info.

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