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This movie is semi-porn garbage

posted 18 years ago by PornIsOfTheDevil
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They could have left out the sexually graphic scenes. It didn't really do anything for the movie.

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[–] Dasein1 18 years ago

the eroticism, intimacy, and sense of experimentation with sex seems central to the film,so I'm not sure how you could capture the same thing just by deleting these. they're young couples exploring each other personally and sexually, I mean, what's so wrong with capturing that and actually showing some of the nudity. the whole film has a sensual erotic feel to it, not just with the people but also teh great emphasis on the visuals in general. It would be a drastically different film if that were taken out. maybe one you'd like better, but then, who cares? the film wasn't made to please puritans, it was made as artistic expression.

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[–] quark42 18 years ago

How can you have a film with "sexo" in the title and take all the sex out?

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[–] AKisOutaHere 18 years ago

So you would prefer a cliched Hollywood getting-to-know-you montage over the utter beauty of watching their relationship forming through passionate sex?

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[–] buckaroobanzai50 17 years ago

I saw the cut version on TV but missed the end. So I later saw the un-cut version on DVD and was amazed. It was a different movie. Now I understand why Lucia says "I don't want sex" to the guy who rubs the mud all over her.

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[–] Rez7 17 years ago

Could you please tell us about the differences between th un-cut version and the cut version? maybe i missed some key points...

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[–] TracesOfLove 17 years ago

This film made me cry at it's beauty. How can someone with such a cool name as LifeofPi, not see the beauty in this film? It boggles my mind!

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[–] elinmagdalena 17 years ago

This is as far away from porn as I can imagine, actually.

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[–] mrlpratt 17 years ago

Am I to take it that when you're in a relationship with your girlfriend/boyfriend you don't engage in sexual acts of any kind? And am I to also infer that you've never rented/bought porn to recognize the difference between garbage and art? If so I can understand why you'd think this was sexually graphic. Having said that, how can you make a movie about a couple in love who are just getting to know each other and NOT show them getting intimate? THAT wouldn't do anything for the movie.

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[–] compact_disc_rack 10 years ago

Maybe you can explain whats so artistic about a girl riding the guy 15 mins in the film after having just met him for the first time saying she wants to live with him. At that point there was really nothing gained from watching that other than... Watching some hot spanish actress pretending to have sex.

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[–] mrlpratt 10 years ago

Art imitates life, and THAT'S what makes it artistic. People meet in bars, clubs, etc. for the first time all the time and hook up. Most never see each other again afterwards but for a select few, that hook up turns into something more concrete and lasting. If you gained nothing from watching it then that's on you. But don't expect everyone else to share your views.

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[–] compact_disc_rack 10 years ago

I don't expect anything. I'm challenging empty words in this thread. The lack of realism in them hooking up that way (people meet, but don't come to strangers saying they wanna live with them and get a positive response right away) doesn't matter. What matters is that the early sex scenes between Paz and the guy weren't amusing, weren't visually interesting from an artistic point of view, didn't have any depth or anything at all. All there is is them having sex. And you have so far not managed to say anything contrary to this, other than saying that it imitates life.

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[–] mrlpratt 10 years ago

What matters is that the early sex scenes between Paz and the guy weren't amusing, weren't visually interesting from an artistic point of view, didn't have any depth or anything at all.

Don't tell me I have to explain to you that one's definition/interpretation of art is subjective. All of these words are YOUR opinions. So are you telling me your opinion of what constitutes art has more value than mine or someone else's?

As for their initial meeting lacking realism, again that's all based on your reality. How do you know that scene never happened in real life? Just because you said so? Where do you think the phrase "lust/love at first sight" got it's start? Maybe the writer witnessed something along those lines and was so shocked/moved by it that he/she decided to make it into/include it in this movie. I too have seen come on's between people along those lines where the couple later "got together."

And you have so far not managed to say anything contrary to this, other than saying that it imitates life.

See above. One thing I've come to realize since joining IMBD is that I really do have to spell everything out for people. So I guess I should have elaborated in my initial response to you knowing this is the case.

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[–] compact_disc_rack 10 years ago

Don't tell me I have to explain to you that one's definition/interpretation of art is subjective. All of these words are YOUR opinions. So are you telling me your opinion of what constitutes art has more value than mine or someone else's?

Yes, it's my opinion. That goes without saying. You didn't seem to have any problem with presenting opinions until someone challenged your opinion. I'm defending my opinion against yours, it's a simple as that and you really know this.

As for their initial meeting lacking realism, again that's all based on your reality. How do you know that scene never happened in real life? Just because you said so? Where do you think the phrase "lust/love at first sight" got it's start? Maybe the writer witnessed something along those lines and was so shocked/moved by it that he/she decided to make it into/include it in this movie. I too have seen come on's between people along those lines where the couple later "got together."

Bullsh*t. Realism is not about what COULD happen, but what usually happens. You're the one who brought up the realism aspect by pointing out that "ppl meet in bars" etc as if that's all that happened - they met in a bar and became a couple. I'm sure if you count all the club encounters of all-time, you could find a few cases like this. A few out of billions...

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[–] mrlpratt 10 years ago

I'm defending my opinion against yours, it's a simple as that and you really know this.

If I know this why do you bring it up? That's why it's called a discussion. So when I defend my opinion against yours I suddenly have a problem, yet when you do it you're defending your opinion against mine? Ok, if you say so. I'll play along.

Bullsh*t. Realism is not about what COULD happen, but what usually happens... I'm sure if you count all the club encounters of all-time, you could find a few cases like this. A few out of billions...

I was always under the impression that realism was about what happens or happened. Not about the frequency to which it happens. Makes perfect sense now why you respond the way you do. I think you're confusing probability with realism. The fact that an event happens a few times out of a billion does not in any way diminish it's realism since the event actually took place. And that's what makes it real. At least we can agree that the probability of people who meet in bars becoming a couple is extremely low. However, the fact that it has happened and continues to happen is what makes it real. And therefore, the producer, writer, director was perfectly within his/her right to include this "realistic" scene.

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[–] xlileijie 10 years ago

Don't forget that the guy is not a random guy in the bar. He is a somewhat famous writer and Lucia has read his book, which makes the whole first meet and 'I want to live with you' thing reasonable.

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[–] gehenna-3 11 years ago

You retarded puritan of obviously US descent: next time don't watch a movie having the word sex in the title and expect it to not have any sex in it. Go back to your MTV - that's more appropriate for americans than cerebral movies.

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[–] m-slovak79 10 years ago

the only legitimate porn thing in the movie is when you can see that video being played of a woman giving a man oral sex which is clearly visible and easy to see what's going on.

the closest thing, putting aside the video i mentioned above already, would be the up close penis shot, which is erect, with a womans hand briefly sliding across it as the man lays there pretty much. but that's pretty brief (but clearly visible) and lacking that the movie is nothing that graphic. another part would be a mans penis being shown, but covered in a type of mud but you can briefly see it start to become erect briefly in a up close shot.

so basically...

1.the video (the only clearly legit porn thing in my mind)
2.hand across penis (this might be consider semi-porn or so)
3.brief penis shot covered in mud basically of it slightly becoming erect and camera cuts away. (this might be stretching the edge of porn but it's the most mild of the three i mentioned)

those 2-3 things are as close as it gets to actual porn. also, there is a picture where you can see a man entering a woman from behind but it's mild enough as if the three things i mentioned above don't much bother you that clearly won't as it's not really focused on much but it's there if you look for it.

so putting aside those 2-3 things above the movie is nothing too much outside of what you could see in some R rated movies.

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[–] lukas1985 9 years ago

Don't be such American.

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[–] prplayer 8 years ago

but if you leave out the sex scenes, there is not much else now is there?

so many movies, so little time

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