Turkish Poll Wrecking Service - Tosun Pasa (2018) Discussion

[–] slash1742 19 years ago

I dont think that it is a nationalist vote bombardment (at least for this movie). This movie is really the best comedy i watched. And it deserves this rating. It is even better than Dr.Strangelove as a comedy.

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[–] yuzbashi 19 years ago

If among the caracteristics of a good comedy were stupid dialogues and cheap cinematography this movie would deserve its vote of 9.1! In order to rank this movie above Dr. Strangelove one must have a fetish for kitsch or "B" movies.

Even disregarding the qualities of this movie as an art form, you must consider imdb poll values. For almost all of the other polls concerning the best picture etc. are movies that everyone has a chance to view. If a movie is only shown in only one country and the people of that country has voted it as the best comedy ever, the result shows a nationalistic bias.

I also base this opinion on several other wrecked internet polls that had feautured Turkish vote bombardment. Even "Time" had to withdraw its poll on an issue because of this. There is the Eurosport poll that was withdrawn after that, these two are the ones I know of.

Anyways, I had enjoyed this movie as an honest and funny one, but never as one of the best comedies ever.

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[–] slash1742 19 years ago

comedy does not have to have a meaning. it can even be cheap dialogues as u say but if it can make u laugh it means it s good as a comedy. i dont think it should make u think at the same time. it doesnt have a mission like that. and u cant take all as one example. i dont care if there has been a "time" incident. what s its meaning in this situation? if the movie deserves that nothing can change right? i am not claiming that people who voted for this movie dont have nationalist motivations. i dont care who voted for what reason. that s my idea about the movie. and it will be the same even if it goes up or down. try that. try to have your own ideas but not the ones u have been reading on newspapers. try to be sincere and not to go after other people but on your own way.

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[–] Bentley-4 19 years ago

the underlying reason why people vote for this movie and not the other turkish movies, is the difference between your sense of humor and theirs and that is the main point that i hope one day you may get it.

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[–] pcchap 19 years ago

Nice to have an opinion from a nationality outside the usual dominant trends.Accusing Turkey of dominanting a poll on IMDB is a little like complaining that MacDonalds' global position is being upset by someone selling a kebab.

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[–] ihcce 19 years ago

do you think this is the right place to discuss who killed who or turks vs rest of the world? why do turkish people have to declare that they were misaccused of the armenian holocaust in every kind of discussion? as being turkish myself i find this a misusage of nationalism. the imdb is a place to discuss about the movies, not politics or history.

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[–] Erdem_Varol 19 years ago

I was just replying to the gentleman who said "Turks killed 1.5 million Armenians. They suck" in the previous post. Now his post is deleted.

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[–] pcchap 19 years ago

I guess you could say similar things about any nation that has been in conflict.

Within the country itself, some people will agree with the action taken, others will disagree, and still others will be somewhere in the middle.

To simply say everyone in a country "sucks", suggests everyone is of the same opinion. It is unwise to label everyone in a nation the same, it is simplistic ,childlike, and dangerous too.

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[–] slash1742 19 years ago

what is the relationship with killing armenians and voting a movie? why are some people so dumb and still have the right to talk? that s sad. i dont say there hasnt been something like that. it was not right but there are a lot more things to talk about it. 1,5 million circassians were killed by russians as a consequence of a banishment at the 19. century. and millions of jewish people by nazis. but no one says u killed millions of jewish people when the subject is a vote for a german movie. a good example to show the stupidity in this situation. u f.ing idiot. if u r too stupid just dont let others know it. be silent. got it?

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[–] mesopotamia2004 19 years ago

I am Kurdish from Turkey. I have lived here in U.S. for almost 20 yrs. i have seen thousand of thousand movies made in Hollywood and yet Tosun Pasa is one of the best movie i have seen. Actor

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[–] yordanskialex 18 years ago

well, almost like everything we again exaggerate our nationalist feelings by telling, that, this movie deserves a "10" - if we keep on doing it, non of the other nations will believe that we can be honest- like we did for Ataturk at the "time" magazine voting!

i ve seen this movie and i m a native turkish speaker! but i really cant say that this movie is the best comedy ever! yes, it s funny and so on but for a vote "10" it needs more than that! please be realistic and do not compare our movies, which made by turkish sense of humour with the masterpieces in the world, like chaplin's or kubrick's! these movies are ours and let them stay as they are- we are lucky to have such great movies which only we can understand- means that we re one step ahead from the rest..

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[–] berkeyener 18 years ago

i wathced this film what maybe 5 times and every time i laughed. it is a great move and people who watch this movie have rights to vote. so don't try to be politic about everything and just let it go.
i understand that many foreigners who wathc this movie can't understand it in the way we Turks do. because its a Turkish movie and every nation and even every people have different sense of humor. so i vote for this movie and it has nothing to do with nationalism.

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[–] snncy2000 18 years ago

I just wanna comment on your phrase which is

"please be realistic and do not compare our movies, which made by turkish sense of humour with the masterpieces in the world, like chaplin's or kubrick's! these movies are ours and let them stay as they are",

who decides what is a masterpiece anyway?

I'm sure most of the population in Turkey (and many other countries like India or China) never saw a Kubric movie, but they (I mean only Turks here) watched and enjoyed Tosun Pasa many times, and if any of those people had chance to express themselves on IMDB then it's their very right to do so.

The western world is so eager to export their values to other nations, they say "this is a masterpiece and you've got to love it -period." Hey man, go to hell!

Well, what I'm trying to say is, let's not judge ourselves with foreiners' laws and understandings, ok?

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[–] nigga_u_r_a_wolf 18 years ago

tosun pasa , sut kardesler , davaro , kibar feyzo and hababam sinifi series are most known comedy films in turkish film industry.

they have been shown 1000s of times in every turkish channel.And still showing.
by the way their vcds are still on sale on a regular film shop with every new hollywood film.They marked themshelves in our minds.if you talk to any turkish film lover they would admit that they watched one of them (at least one of them) over 10 times.the voice kemal sunal makes when he laughs is enough to make us smile too in every single time.

they got unique sense of homour in every detail point that makes us (turkish people) laugh with tears.So nothing to disscus that we find it funnier than any comedy film ever made so we vote.And I'm sure that there is too many films that does not enough quality to be on the top but have their own national senses.

I must say they are the best comedy films

And please dont bring armenian genocide to here cause its not a place that we should discuss this problem.

sorry about spelling mistakes

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[–] CognitiveDissonance 17 years ago

While I agree with the overall concept of your posting, well renown works such as "chaplin's & kubrick's" became masterpieces due a combination of their "quality" and "place of production". Thus a well made Turkish (or any other nationality) movie fails to be a masterpiece not because it is "made by Turkish sense of humour" but perhaps because it is made in Turkey.

Edward Said would have much to say on that...

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[–] dishchi 17 years ago

Quote on CognitiveDissonance
"While I agree with the overall concept of your posting, well renown works such as "chaplin's & kubrick's" became masterpieces due a combination of their "quality" and "place of production". Thus a well made Turkish (or any other nationality) movie fails to be a masterpiece not because it is "made by Turkish sense of humour" but perhaps because it is made in Turkey.

I wonder how many times you've seen a Kubrick or a Chaplin comedy repeatedly and felt the urge to laugh your guts out every time...

I've seen Tosun Pasa more than 20 times & I still get the same laugh. Being filmed in Turkish,not in a universal language like English or not appeasing the Anglo-Saxon sense of humour does not steal a movies right to be a masterpiece.

Artists such as Mozart or Dostoyevski have created masterpieces in their lifetimes but no one accused the Austrians or Russians of falsely embracing these artists works as masterpieces.

What you claim is a path that leads to Cultural Imperialism on your side and Nationailsm & Isolationalism on ours...

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[–] aumo 18 years ago

I don't know about this film, it could be a must see one, but I think that his place in the Top 250 (and more specifically the number of votes, above 2100) is a bit strange, when many movies with international fame (like most of those from Akira Kurosawa) are under 1300 votes. I think that, just like with "Hababam sinifi" a few months ago, someone is playing with the rating system of the site.

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[–] GreenHammer 18 years ago

you're 100% correct yuzbashi...

People can come on here and say all they want. The facts don't lie though. This movie has 1778 out of 2157 voters giving it a 10. My guess is this is probably the best ratio on the IMDB.

Out of the top 1000 voters it has a 5.2. Of course the top 1000 voters could be flawed, but I'm willing to bet they don't have an agenda when it comes to the voting.

Anyone who thinks that this isn't just "ballot stuffing" by people with the insane agenda of getting a movie onto the top 250 is borderline-delusional. Note: I'm not saying this is just a Turkish thing or whatever. The same sorta stuff happened with Joss Whedon fans on Serenity, and Star Wars junkies and others. The thing I don't get is what thrill people get out of seeing the film in the top 250.

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[–] profpain11 18 years ago

This is all just a part of IMDB's system. If a movie like Tosun Pasa or Hababam Sinifi is entirely restricted to a specific (in this case Turkish) audience, and that specific audience loves the movie and collectively rates it a 9.2, then that is the correct rating. Normally, though, IMDB is able to create a weighted value based on the demographics of the voters, and would identify that this rating is restricted to a niche (see the ratings for Sholay here http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0073707/ratings which are very similar to Tosun Pasa's. However, IMDB has weighted Sholay at 6.8 while Tosun Pasa is weighted at 9.2). Is it the greatest movie of all time? Well 2300 people might think so, and no one can prove them otherwise because it's not available outside the niche. I don't agree with someone voting a 1 just to lower the rating, that's worse than the "Turkish Poll Wrecking Service". If I loved Tosun Pasa, I would be thrilled to see it at #115 and climbing.

P.S. We Americans (or Non-Turks) aren't being racist; it's a question of why on earth is this movie we never heard of ranked/rated so high.

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[–] fahte 18 years ago

"P.S. We Americans (or Non-Turks) aren't being racist; it's a question of why on earth is this movie we never heard of ranked/rated so high."

Maybe the answer is that not all the good movies have to be known by Americans. But this does not prevent them to find a copy of the movie and watch it.

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[–] Nottboy 18 years ago

The thing I don't get is what thrill people get out of seeing the film in the top 250.

I don't know, myself, but maybe this posting on the on the Babum Ve Oglum forum might give you an idea:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0476735/board/nest/37314342

Apparently for some, it's as important as receiving awards.

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