Okay sooo.....?


Lee wanted to KILL Elwood because..... Elwood stole stuff from the military to get drugs and make some money? and he was dating his daughter? Really??

That just seems a little over the top. I dont understand how he could actually want to KILL someone just for those reasons. or were there any other reasons i might have missed? I'd be glad to know.

But either way i still liked the movie i just didnt get the whole thing with Lee actually wanting to kill Elwood.

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I think it was more about disrespecting the army.

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It started off with them just being against each other but it got personal very fast. You can see from the escalation and Lee's mindset (he likes killing the enemy) that killing Elwood was the last step left, I'm surprised if anything that Elwood hadn't considered knocking off Lee after the grenade incident, since death doesn't mean that much to him either, judging by the treatment of the dead guy at the start and the guys that got blown up.


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Agreed. I got the impression he was pretty much assigned there to investigate the drugs and black market... possibly following the autopsy of the junkie that had his head cracked playing football in the beginning of the movie.

Add to that... what he said at the end about how he loved being in Vietnam, not because of patriotism, but because he enjoyed killing people and doing the same crazy sh*t Elwood was doing in Germany.

So it's kind of a double standard in that he was hardly the good soldier, but he earned his stripes whereas Elwood was just a sneaky POS that was getting with his daughter.

To sum it up... I think Lee was just batsh*t crazy.

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Agreed. I got the impression he was pretty much assigned there to investigate the drugs and black market... possibly following the autopsy of the junkie that had his head cracked playing football in the beginning of the movie.

Add to that... what he said at the end about how he loved being in Vietnam, not because of patriotism, but because he enjoyed killing people and doing the same crazy sh*t Elwood was doing in Germany.

So it's kind of a double standard in that he was hardly the good soldier, but he earned his stripes whereas Elwood was just a sneaky POS that was getting with his daughter.

To sum it up... I think Lee was just batsh*t crazy.


That's how I read it.

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Do you realize how big of a drug operation that was? They had 30kilos...And on top of that they got it from trading a ton of weapons to the enemy... That's license to kill in my eyes whether the person is dating my daughter or not.

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Ok, so you would actually kill someone just because he is trading weapons stolen from the military for 30kilos of heroine? It doesnt even really personally affect you in any kind of way. Its not like Lee's money was used to buy those weapons. Plus i dont think he was even trading with "enemies" anyways. As far as i recall it was just a couple of mobsters in the area.

It wouldve made more sense if maybe Lee tried to setup Elwood to get caught in act and get him in custody or somethin.

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Yep, I served and can tell you that treson is punishable by death in my eyes buddy. Those weapons would go to terrorists to kill american soldiers, so yes it would be just to want to kill Elwood. Also, you *beep* my daughter right in front of my house!!!!!!!!!!!! I would kill you right then and there.

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"treason is punishable by death in my eyes buddy"

Um... there's this thing called a "court martial". Why kill him in cold blood? He'll be executed anyway.

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Ok, so you would actually kill someone just because he is trading weapons stolen from the military for 30kilos of heroine? It doesnt even really personally affect you in any kind of way. Its not like Lee's money was used to buy those weapons. Plus i dont think he was even trading with "enemies" anyways. As far as i recall it was just a couple of mobsters in the area.


And what do you think gangsters would do with a load of M-16s and rockets? They wouldn't keep them for turf wars and robbies, they'd sell them to dictators and warlords. Basically Elwood is a criminal who steals and sells off US government property and makes sure the base's soldiers can get high, he's sapping his nation's defence, all for his own gain. Even a moderately patriotic person would despise Elwood for that, so someone like Lee, who as well as being an Army lifer and Vietnam vet is probably a bit of a fascist as well, would take great pleasure in giving Elwood his come-uppance. And of course he's banging his own daughter.

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The scene where Lee breaks the TV because the news is talking about peace is a foreshadowing of his characters mindset.

L: I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
H: I don't know Lloyd, the french are a ssholes

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Elwood was simply dishonest. Lee was psychotic.

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Elwood is Sgt Bilko on steroids.



Paradise is exactly like where you are now, only much, much better.

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You're right - it doesn't make sense. But then, Lee never came across to me as 'sensible' guy. Seemed kinda psychotic and needing counseling/therapy. I guess his stint in Nam would do that.

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Well, maybe it's just my place but I've seen people getting killed for less than that.



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The guy was a stone cold trained killer. He says so himself "You wouldn't believe the stuff we did there" (vietnam) He was an experienced torturer and killer of children and women most probably.

That he wasn't a raging lunatic just speaks to his incredible dangerousness, which his daughter recognized to some degree and tried to warn Elwood. But that's Elwood's major problem, he is too apathetic that he fails to realize the type of people he getting himself involved with and it almost costs him his life. His used to just not giving a crap but doesn't realize other people don't feel the same way.

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"Of course that doesn't explain why his roomate, the IG officer, never turned him in. As you saw, Elwood received two high decorations. My guess is that since Elwood saved his life, and the he turned around and saved Elwood's life, he considered them even and decided look the other way."

After he saved Elwood's life he died in the explosion



People kill for far less ever day

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He was blown up in the explosion. Elwood was the only survivor.

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