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Five Minutes are missing?


Can anyone help me? I´ve seen this movie and I kinda liked it, but then I noticed missing scenes in the trailer (The car-crash with the motorcycle, for example). The DVD I´ve got has only 108 minutes, and I thought this was uncut. So what happens in the five remaining minutes and where can I get the full 113-min-version? Thanks a lot . . .

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No, there is nothing missing. If you listen to the commentary on the DVD, the rough cut was like 2 and half hours long, so Tsui Hark had to cut alot of stuff, and that was one of the things cut.

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Well, thanks a lot. But the problem is still, that my DVD has only got
108 Minutes so where are the remaining 5 Minutes? And bye the way, my
DVD hasn´t got any commentary on it, just the english and the cantonese
sound. You got any clue about that? Where can I get the full 113 Minutes
version (if there is one . . .)?

THANKS IN ADVANCE

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the 113 mins stated is the cinematic rolls of film length. videos, dvds, and tvs are always shorter cos they're on videos, dvds or tvs - not the rolls of film that for some reason take longer to roll: about 2mins per hour. i've never really understood this (why don't the voices sound a higher pitch if compressed?), but that's the answer, not any cuts ..... try it with any other dvd timing.

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I realise this is an ancient comment, but in PAL regions films are sped up on VHS/DVD to 25fps to match the 50Hz TV standard (rather than the 24fps they are shot at). There is a pitch shift of just under semitone, too. You can often notice this with films if you listen to the soundtrack CD and compare it to the DVD.

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if your in the UK or any country that uses PAL and not NTSC (like Europe and Australia) the missing 5 minutes could be the loss from the conversion from NTSC to PAL, 4 frames per second are removed for the PAL conversion and those although only 4 frames they time removed by those frames adds up (all PAL versions are shorter than the NTSC version but this doesn't nessicarily mean that full scenes were removed)

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You obviously own the European PAL DVD since only the American region 1 release contains Tsui Hark's commentary.

There has nothing been cut from either version, though. I used to own them both.

Saberblade explained it perfectly in all detail...

:-)

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Okay thanks guys. It´s perfectly clear now. I got the german DVD-Edition
and it´s obviously due to PAL runtime.

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The PAL standard uses 25 frames per second and the NTSC uses only 23.976 fps.
Since a movie has the same amount of frames worldwide it runs exactly 4.096% faster using PAL.
Of course the've the same lenght in the cinema.

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I wanna disagree on one fact. nothing to do with PAL and NTSC. I got both versions in Pal. There is a 113 minute version. Not really usefull as it's just some more shots towards the end of how policemen infiltrate kowloon train station once they cut off the lights and somewhere else towards the beginning just a few shots to make it a bit longer. But nothing that adds to the story. Would love to see the cut out scenes though, they must be terrific.

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