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As a Christian, I still liked this movie....


I thought this was still a good movie, even though it was a Mormon movie. I think it presents an overall universal belief in God, and how He can impact lives across the world.

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"Christians" believe in Christ. Mormons believe in Christ. Therefore, Mormons are Christians. It constantly amazes me how small-minded people get when it comes to their personal beliefs. I know of nowhere in the Bible where Christ said one had to believe in a specific manner in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. In fact I seem to remember Him saying only, "Believe in me and thou art saved." Rules and guidelines for admittance were devised by men who followed. Nor do I believe that these guidelines were communicated by Christ to men who followed Him whether it was Peter, Paul, Martin Luther, John Calvin, or Joseph Smith. Whatever Christ had to say, he said while he was on earth. There was no need for Him to provide additional (or Oh-by-the-way) information from beyond.

If "Christians" spent more time following the teachings of Christ and less time judging others, this world would be a much happier, more peaceful place.






BTW I am not Mormon.

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Then what are you? Lemme guess...Episcopalian? United Methodist?

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PERFECT! I know that lots of Christian groups (eg.Mormons/Catholics) are bagged a lot for the way they do things, but in the end if you have Jesus in your heart and try to live a Christian life- BINGO! I love that There was no need for Him to provide additional (or Oh-by-the-way) information from beyond

I'm a Christian, period.

God bless! Maria Antoinette, x.

Johnny Cash: Then they ain't Christians.

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well that was the saddest post i ever read. People don't like the Mormons? well i've been a 'Mormon' all my life and lots of people like me. Oh and also not every mormon family has 6 kids or whatever it was you said- I'm an only child. And as for all of us going back to Utah- why the heck should we when we have homes elsewhere. just because the church is based in Utah it doesn't mean we all come from Utah. i'm british. I have filipino friends that are LDS- the church is a worldwide church so placing us in one place doesn't help. I find your lack of open-mindedness very upsetting and hope that you won't always be so narrow-minded.

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Christ went to the low-life, poor, uneducated people---read the Bible, "If you love me, feed my sheep" not "If you love me, feed my sheep as long as they are good, wealthy, intelligent people" and by the way, missionaries are serving and succeeding all over the world.

with some movies, you merely watching people get paid to read lines

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That is not how the KKK works, nor is it a fair analogy.

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Just shut up.

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This comment is not only offensive, but it is racist as well. I am so disgusted by arrogant and ignorant people like you. Mormon missionaries travel all over the world - not just your "low-life 3rd world countries" and even then, you are a sick person for claiming that people who live in less-developed nations are low life. No one is lower than people like you.

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flechsing wrote-"the reason mormons dont go to heaven is because they do not believe that one needs the forgivness Jesus to get into heaven."

This is just a blatant fallacy. I am mormon, have been my entire life (over twice yours I might add.) and I know for a fact that the only way we can be saved is through the redeeming spirit of our Savior Jesus Christ. That's what repentence is for. We can only be saved through christ's mercy. Every LDS (mormon) person knows and believes this.

I really don't care whether or not you agree w/ my religion, but please atleast attempt to get your facts straight.

And in response to girlfriend...It's one thing to be mean. Maybe you can't help being grumpy...but you can be educated. So please stop making silly accusations on IMDB...it was not created for your use as a platform for lies and rumors. I've seen them on this and other threads. Please check your sources before babbling on about how rotten the mormons are. I'm not asking you to like us or agree w/ us...just stop lying about us.

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"the reason mormons dont go to heaven is because they do not believe that one needs the forgivness Jesus to get into heaven. their belief is works based.
with some movies, you merely watching people get paid to read lines"
Ok you need to brush up on your knowledge of LDS doctrine, everyone will be saved because of the atonement, they will have immortality, but those who were good and righteous and fufilled every commandment and ordinance necessary will be granted eternal life, they will be with their families forever.

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not everytone is saved in the atonement, especially not those who are in a cult (ex: mormans)

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mormons aren't part of a cult

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yes they are!

look up the definition of a cult!

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calsweety823:
Please don't take this the wrong way, but if you're using that definition of "cult," any religion can be considered a cult.

"Don't let a suitcase filled with cheese be your big fork and spoon." -"Everybody Loves Raymond"

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wow, that was really imature! I am seriously in shock. why can't people stop messing with the mormons? it is really rediculous. half of the things people say about us dont even make sence.

definition of a cult: a religion or sect considered to be
false
unorthodox
extremist
with members often living outside of conventional society
the direction of a charismatic leader.


why it is not a cult:the LDS religion is
not considered false
as customary as it can get (fullness of times)
normal
conventional

what is wrong with having charm and magnetism?


so in conclusion BY DEFINITION the LDS church is not a cult.

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Thank you very much. :)

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Oi.... I don't even know if I want myself labeled as a Christian when I read posts like this...

People, can we please get a time-out here? Look: I am personally a pentacostal - and I don't believe the way Mormons do or the way Catholics do, however, I don't go about telling them why I think they are "wrong" (used here in the sense that commonly perceived meaning I am the only sane/right person). Christianity has its different factions, (and believe me, so has every other major religion - look at the Shi'ites and Sunni's in the Muslim belief) and whilst I do not agree with them it is not my place to go out and publicly humiliate them. I am not even going to bother stating what my beliefs are here - it seems that they will be ripped to shreds anyway. Point is - whilst Christians should be good (*not* nice, good! There is a huge difference) we should not be bible bashers. Give your fellow man some space, state your beliefs and let the Holy Spirit do the convincing. It is not for us to force-convert people, it is for us to sow and God to give growth & life.

Look, whilst Christian beliefs are divisive (and there is good reason for this: Christ himself said that He came to bring division and the sword, not peace - the truth hurts and divides!) we should not be flaming fellow users and go on like 3 year-olds - We give Christianity and Christ a bad name. I am not for pussyfooting around either, but state your case and let it rest.

Regards,

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I'm Catholic, nearly everybody hates me, including most catholics.

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Maybe you should work on your people skills ...

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lol @ fighting over religion

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Personally, I don't find Mormons to be nearly as threatening to the future of humanity as the Pentecostals. But, for the most part, Christians are very much alike each other. In fact, they are much like all other theists.

But, go ahead and fight -- I learn more.

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Who cares!!!! Just pick a philosophy, stick to it, and stay out of everyone else's business!

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Actually, the current LDS president Gordon B. Hinkley told Larry King on CNN that the Mormons believe in a different Jesus. Therefore, Mormonism does not = Christianity.

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Mormons believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God and Savior of the world.
Mormons don't hang crucifixes in their churches because they believe in the resurrected Christ. That is the difference President Hinckley was talking about.
Larry King btw. is a Jew married to a Mormon.

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Mormons are not Christians, thank you much.

http://www.carm.org/lds/nutshell.htm

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why do you think that?

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Mormons, according to the writings of Joseph Smith, do believe that the Person that spoke to Joseph Smith (I'm assuming this is Jesus?) said that everyone else was wrong. I think it is when we start excluding people who follow the Bible that we lose sight of what God wants from us.

I grew up believing my church (not LDS) was right and everyone else was wrong. I think that people within this church group are still Christians. I just think that God is the judge, not man. I do not believe that one religious group has the right answers. I think the answers can only be found in the Bible. Any vision or revelation needs to strictly line up with the Bible, without changing its meaning. Anything that changes meaning to the Bible is wrong. The Lord does not change. (Malachi 3:6)

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We don't believe that everyone else is wrong. We believe that our religion is the only one that is complete.

And I completely agree about the Bible thing. That's why the Book of Mormon is "Another testament of Jesus Christ." Another, meaning it goes hand in hand with the Bible. Hence the Stick of Judah and the Stick of Ephraim being brought together in the last days.

As the Lord is "the same yesterday, today, and forever" doctrine will not change.

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Why do you put the Bible above the Living God?
Why do you refuse God to talk to His children after the Gospel of John was written?
Are you aware that the pharisees used the exact same argument when they rejected the Savior?
When Christ told Peter that "upon this rock I will build my church" he was talking about what he said to Peter immediately before that - that Peters testimony of Jesus being the Son of the living God is based on revelation.

Of course the Bible is the foundation and the standard every teaching has to be measured against. When Joseph Smith was a young man there was a great religious turmoil in the are he lived in - and much content among the Christian denominations because of different interpretations of the Bible. He did not know which church he should join, so he stuck to the Bible until he read James 1:5 where God promises wisdom to those who seek it and turn to him.
Joseph Smith went to a nearby grove and put that promise to a test. It was never his intention to start a church, but when God the Father and Jesus Christ appeared to him and called him as a prophet and - after some years of further preparation - commanded him to organize the restored Church of Jesus Christ, who was he to refuse?
That is the truth about it.

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You must have not actually read the Bible.

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Wow, what a judgemental comment. I still love Christians who go around judging others. I am a Christian but I do not go around doing God's job of judging who is and who isn't a Christian. I also suspect anyone who thinks they are "saved" and suspects others aren't. Read John Chapter Two, the entire Chapter. There is more to being a Christian than just saying you are. If you are one, people can observe it, they do not believe it just by your words.

Believe in the Lord and thou will be saved implies more than just belief. It means you do all the things the Christ tells you to do and not to do in the bible.

People who go around judging others salvation remind me of the Tax Collector and the Pharise. Whom did God say was "saved?" Not the so called person who thought he as perfect and saved, but the lowly, hated, humble tax collector who didn't think he was saved.

My wife and I loved the movie.. we need more like it.

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wow... I can't believe that many of you guys call yourselves Christains..... when true Christains would have been turned off by the culturally inappropriate and offensive plot/storyline.....

weren't the islanders perfect just the way god made them.... I don't understand why so many people thought they needed to 'see the light' and be saved

Jesus!!!

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It wasn't about "seeing the light" it was about sharing a message that changed Elder Groberg. He loved his religion and wanted to share it. Those who didn't want to join didn't have to and he didn't look down on them for that.

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I thought I'd let you know...
Mormons are Christians too.
So what's with this "I still liked this movie" remark?

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I agree with ilovejesus2002. I think Disney did a great job in how they presented this story. They didn't really focus on the various characters' specific beliefs as much as on their universal belief in God and how He can change people's hearts and lives. I especially liked how Tomasi, the huge, crazy-haired, drunken slob was changed. I didn't even recognize him after he cut his hair and put on decent clothes; someone had to point him out to me! Imagine: that big, brutish, village low-life saying, "I must set a better example." That was great!

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ill put in my two cents... mormons are christians (i used to be mormon and though i no logner believe in some of the doctrine, i know they beilieve in God)... it is not for us to decide who is going to heaven... thats Gods job... in fact if u read the bible there are passages suggesting more than one religious sect will go to heaven (and in my opinion the bible is open for personal interpretation and therefore not everyone will get the same meaning from the same parts)...
now that being said... the person who said mormons are a cult... you are right... mormons are a cult by definition... and so is every other religion... and for that matter every culture
cult is a cohesive group of people (often a relatively small and recently founded religious movement) devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture or society considers to be far outside the mainstream
depending on where u live anything could be considered a cult... and ur beliefs dictate what u define as cult... just because they are different doesnt make them evil
mormons are for the most part great people (as in all relgions some of them all pushy about needing to convert...but thats universal)... my family is all mormon and a lot of the friends i grew up with are mormon... yeah they dont drink coffee, but that doesnt make them a cult... they are in general healthier because of this lifestyle... if i didnt have a problem with some of their doctrine, then i would still be mormon (but i could never be again because i believe religion is something deeply personal and no organized religion is correct and that each person has to find God in his own way and worship him the way God calls him to worship).... anyways... just my two cents

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As a Christian and a Mormon, I LOVED THIS MOVIE!!!

www.lds.org

take some tme to explore =)

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Hi, i am bored and its Sunday and i dont know what to do so i will share some things, even though noone will probably read. I am currently an investigator of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, (LDS, Mormon). I would just like to say I have fallen in love with this church. They are in no way a cult. Cult is simply a word a larger group of people names a smaller one. Members of the LDS church are an amazing, group of people. Many of them can be narrow minded at times, and do need to get out of Utah, but that is Mormonisn in Utah. Mormonism is a worldwide religion, over half the members live outside of the United States. Missionaries are not sent to poor people specifically, they generally look for people with a "broken heart and a contrite spirit". People who's heart is soft and is prepared to recieve the restored gospel of Jesus Christ, granted this is an opinion, but I ask all of you to judge people by their works, and the LDS church does nothing but good things, or at least from what I have found. In my mind, if everyone on this Earth was Mormon, it would be a lot better, more peaceful place. Meet some Mormon and see if you disagree. Pray about the Book of Mormon, get one, read it, see how you feel. This is my challenge. It is the one I presented to myself and I can say I have never been happier than I am at this point in my life, and I only get happier. I personally cannot wait until I get baptized. Threads like these just interest me. I am one who thinks about everything. I have researched any DNA evidence somemay have against Mormonsm, people testidfying of the untruthfullness of the church, and it doesn't affect me. There are almost 13 million people worlwide who will cry when they start to testify of the happiness and truth they have found in this church. Threads like these on a site just pull me in. People are very quick to judge, and misunderstand the Mormon Church so much. It saddens me. LDS people, while they have their beliefs, will very rarely condemn another person to Hell because of their religion. It reminds me of that South Park episode, haha, I for one how they are right about the Mormons being the ones who are right on Earth, but at the same time I don't believe that being part of a certian religion on this Earth will get you in to heaven. I believe that when every person is presented with the decision and proof of the truthfullness of this great church, if they have lived a good life, and repent, everyone will get into heaven. One cannot sin unless they know that what they are doing is a sin. I personally don't drink, smoke, drink coffee or caffeine, but do i look down on or think people that do are bad? Heck no. I love my parents more then every other person in the world but one, and they drink. But I will tell you that having a body that hasn't taken in a harmful, addictive substance in over a year is a pretty amazing feeling. Well I will stop now. Let's hope one person reads all this. Good luck and I pray that you will all be more understanding of other people's choices and investigate the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints for yourselves. It can only help.

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Hi, I am member of LDS church, I live and was born in Mexico, I have a lot of friends in different religions and I only can say I LOVE ALL OF THEM! not only because they are my friends, but they are also sons of God, remember that, all we are sons of God!

I became mormon when I was 13 years old, my brother and me got bauptized the same day and my mother and sister a month latter. Our lives changed dramatically, my parents used to fight all the time, used to bit us, used to drink, my father used to cheat on my mother, my brothers an me used to fight all the time, we where living in hell! and since the day we heard the missionaries, we are living in heaven, our home is a little piece of heaven, we still fight sometimes, disagree one from each other, but our life is completly diferent, I´m sure this was a miracle made by God, not mormons, because this is not mormon´s church, this is Jesus church. I receive good examples of living from my brothers and sisters in the church. This makes me happy, I´m going to get married with an ex missionary and I love him, He is the most respectfull man I have ever known, smart, honest, good, right, honorable, decent, good worker, and averybody loves him, He is a good example of man. I´m sure that if my family hadn´t open the door to the missionaries that day, my life and my family´s life will be completly different.

I´m sorry, my english is not very good. I hope you understand what I grotte.

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as a member of the church myself, i would just like to say that i hope that people who keep slamming us mormons will find even a part of the happiness that i've found in the church someday. I would also like to say to you mormon-bashers that you can say whatever you want to and about us on boards like this, you can discriminate us, you can believe whatever you want because it's your right. but don't think that someone's anti-mormon opinion is going to suddenly turn someone from the church. people who think that only amuze me. and i'm not saying that you HAVE to be a member to be truly happy. but i am.
i'm sure that people will disagree with my views and beliefs and that's okay. thanks to the people who read this!

-gbl87

p.s. coomie227, you inspire me! congratulations and good luck!

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That was really, really sweet, Coomie. Thank you. I also agree with you somewhat about narrow mindedness. It can be misleading if the only exposure to mormons you have had is the type from Utah, but if you look elsewhere in the world, you will find so many intelligent and uplifting saints. I live in India and the members here are amazing. And I really sounded too harsh on Utah mormons. You can find wonderful people from and in Utah. Many just tend to have a very isolated view of the world. It doesn't make them bad people, they just need a little more exposure, that's all.

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Hence, just one of the many goods that comes from sending somewhat sheltered Mormon kids on missions.
I, BTW, am a LDS (Mormon)convert from Michigan, who moved to Utah 4 months after getting baptized and worked for the church for 4 years. Then I moved to Jackson Co., MO for a couple of years. Now I am back in Michigan, still LDS, with a growing family. I have seen good and bad behavior from many people in the church, but nothing I have seen has shaken my testimony of the gospel. I believe the doctrine is perfect; the people are still striving for perfection, they are not there yet.

I really liked the movie, BTW

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Mormonism is a false religion based on the lies of the
charlatan Joseph Smith.

Read the book "One Nation Under Gods" by Richard Abonis.

Some Mormon false beliefs:

1. Eden was in Missouri
2. American Indian is a lost tribe of Isreal
3. Levels of heaven that Baptized dead people can attain
4. That the Book of Mormon is more correct than the Bible
5. Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163.)
6. God used to be a man on another planet, Mormon Doctrine, p. 321. Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, Vol 5, pp. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol 2, p. 345, Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333.)
7. God the Father had a Father, (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 476; Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 19; Milton Hunter, First Council of the Seventy, Gospel through the Ages, p. 104-105.)

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Maybe it's false to you brmmoore, but you are a little confused I think.

1. Zion was in Missouri. If you don't know what zion is, look it up.
2. Every person on this earth is from a lost tribe of Israel. EVERYONE!
3. Baptisms for the dead are a sacred ordinance to give those deceased the chance to have the gospel. Levels of heaven are clearly something you don't understand.
4. The Book of Mormon IS more correct than the bible. Do you even know the history of how the current KJV came about? A COMMITTEE OF MEN COMPILED IT!
5-7 I won't even explain these to you because you have it right. All of those are true as far as LDS members are concerned. You don't have to believe it, but you don't know it's false like I know it's true.

I hope you understand a little bit better of where these doctrines come from. I don't go bashing other religions beliefs even if I don't agree with them, and I don't think God sees that as a productive use of our time.

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What difference should it make what the main religion was in this movie? If you liked it thats all that should count. And to be perfectly honest, I don't think that there is one perfect religion. We all have our own thoughts and our own beliefs and thats all that matters. It seems to me that there is more passing of judgement on what a lot of us may not understand when it comes to the Mormon religion.

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1. No, it is Adam-ondi-Ahman, the place Adam and Eve lived AFTER they were expelled from the Garden of Eden. The continents were still connected at the time of Adam, they were severed during the flood
2. No, not everyone is of a lost tribe. But those who are not and get baptized will get adopted into a tribe and receive the heritage that is promised to that tribe in fullness.
3. The three "levels" of heaven have been mentioned by Paul to the Corinthians.
4. The Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ (hence the subtitle). It was conserved to come forth in our day by the power of God. It does not demean the Bible in any way, on the contrary, it fortifies and clarifies it.
5. Read the Book of Revelation. Jesus is the firstborn and the only Son of God born in the flesh.
6. and 7. That is deep doctrine. Just one point: The Bible very clearly states that we are children of God - what does that make us? Or Him? Think about it.

There are lots of doctrines that are mentioned in the Bible, "common Christianity" does not have an explanation for - neither did Joseph Smith, but he made asking God his main philosophy and God answered him and commanded him to restore teachings and ordinances at His will.
This includes the purpose of temples, the baptism for the dead (as mentioned by Paul in 1 Kor 15:29) or the power to seal for time AND eternity (as given to Peter).

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I found this about Mormonism and thought I would post it, just for argument's sake, because other than brmmoore, no one else has stated what they believe. I know nothing about them, not taking sides, just posting info.

"Some of the Most Blasphemous and Damnable Mormon Doctrines

"We believe in a God who is Himself progressive, whose majesty is intelligence; whose perfection consists in eternal advancement -- a Being who has attained His exalted state by a path which now His children are permitted to follow, whose glory it is their heritage to share. In spite of the opposition of the sects, in the face of direct charges of blasphemy, the Church proclaims the eternal truth: 'As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be.'" (LDS Apostle James E. Talmage, Articles of Faith, Ch.24, p.430 - p.431, LDS Collectors Library '97 CD-ROM)
" 'It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God,' the inspired word continues, 'and to know that we may converse with Him as one man converses with another, and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did.' The Father is a glorified, perfected, resurrected, exalted man who worked out his salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same." (LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p.64, LDS Collectors Library '97 CD-ROM)
"Thus, on this beautiful spring morning in the Sacred Grove, Joseph Smith witnessed the renewal of God's dealing with his children in accordance with the great gospel plan of redemption. Upon this occasion God the Father and his Beloved Son Jesus Christ appearing as glorified Resurrected Beings unto a chosen servant of God, made known once again the state of immortality which man will attain in preparation for the next estate of eternity; that also the world once again could know the reality of the personal nature of God the Father and his Beloved Son. (LDS Apostle Alvin R. Dyer, Conference Report, April 1963, p.49 - p.50, LDS Collectors Library '97 CD-ROM)
"As we stretch our imaginations to absorb the limitlessness of the creations of God we turn to a favorite song: If you could hie to Kolob in the twinkling of an eye, And then continue onward with that same speed to fly, D'ye think that you could ever, through all eternity, Find out the generation where Gods began to be? Or see the grand beginning, where space did not extend? Or view the last creation where Gods and matter end? Methinks the Spirit whispers, "No man has found 'pure space,'" Nor seen the outside curtains, where nothing has a place. The works of God continue, and worlds and lives abound; Improvement and progression have one eternal round. There is no end to matter; there is no end to space; There is no end to spirit; there is no end to race." (LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.250, LDS Collectors Library '97 CD-ROM)
"God: Creator And Ruler Of Many Worlds. -- While it is true that evolutionists may be divided between theistic and atheistic groups, yet most of those professing belief in God consider him to be an indefinable force, essence, or power of an incomprehensible nature. According to revelation, however, he is a personal Being, a holy and exalted Man, a glorified, resurrected Personage having a tangible body of flesh and bones, an anthropomorphic Entity, the personal Father of the spirits of all men. (D. & C. 130:22- 23; Moses 6:51, 57; Abra. 3:22-24; Jos. Smith 2:16-19.)"
"We are members of the family of the Eternal Father. He is a glorified and exalted and eternal Being, having a resurrected body of flesh and bones. His name is God, and the kind of life he lives is God's life. His name is also Eternal, and the name of the kind of life he lives is eternal life. Eternal life is God's life, and God's life is eternal life. We are commanded to be perfect as he is perfect and to advance and progress until we become like him, or in other words, until we gain eternal life. Thus Joseph Smith said, "You have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power." (Teachings, pp. 346-47.) Christ our Lord has so obtained, thus enabling him to say to the faithful: "Ye shall be even as I am, and I am even as the Father." (3 Ne. 28:10.)" (LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Mortal Messiah, Vol.1, p.23 - p.24, LDS Collectors Library '97 CD-ROM)
"I will prove that the world is wrong, by showing what God is. I am going to inquire after God; for I want you all to know Him, and to be familiar with Him; and if I am bringing you to a knowledge of Him, all persecutions against me ought to cease. You will then know that I am His servant; for I speak as one having authority. ... "I will go back to the beginning before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth. for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why He interferes with the affairs of man. ... "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make himself visible,--I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form--like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with Him, as one man talks and communes with another. ... "In order to understand the subject of the dead, for consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary we should understand the character and being of God and how He came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see. ... "These are incomprehensible ideas to some, but they are simple. It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, and to know that we may converse with Him as one man converses with another, and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; and I will show it from the Bible. ... "I wish I was in a suitable place to tell it, and that I had the trump of an archangel, so that I could tell the story in such a manner that persecution would cease forever. What did Jesus say? (Mark it, Elder Rigdon!) The scriptures inform us that Jesus said, as the Father hath power in himself, even so hath the Son power--to do what? Why, what the Father did. The answer is obvious--in a manner to lay down his body and take it up again. Jesus, what are you going to do? To lay down my life as my Father did, and take it up again. Do you believe it? If you do not believe it you do not believe the Bible. The scriptures say it, and I defy all the learning and wisdom and all the combined powers of earth and hell together to refute it. Here, then, is eternal life--to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be GODS yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings. and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power. And I want you to know that God, in the last days, while certain individuals are proclaiming His name, is not trifling with you or me." (LDS President Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol.6, Ch.14, p.305-6, LDS Collectors Library '97 CD-ROM)
"Intelligent beings are organized to become Gods, even the Sons of God, to dwell in the presence of the Gods, and become associated with the highest intelligences that dwell in eternity. We are now in the school, and must practice upon what we receive." (LDS President Brigham Young, Discourses of Brigham Young, p.245, LDS Collectors Library '97 CD-ROM)
"This was the calling of Joseph Smith. He taught anew that God was in the form of man; that man was made in the image of God; and he taught the principles of justice, mercy, charity, and forgiveness. ... He taught the truths that the Prophets before him had taught; and he went beyond them. ... Joseph Smith taught men to look up to heaven and conceive of a God in the form of man. He taught them that they could become like their Father and God, who was 'an exalted Man.' And what is more simple and reasonable? Don't you parents expect your children to become like you? Or do you expect your children to be something else than men and women? No. You men will see your sons become men; you women will see your daughters become women. Then God our Father--yes, and our Mother--in heaven, looking down upon this world-- this school house in which their children are being educated--expect, and Joseph Smith taught it as a truth, that their children will be exalted, if they pursue the proper course, until they shall become divine beings themselves, worthy to stand upon that plane where stand their Father and their Mother in heaven. Like begets like; and the principle of eternal progress will make of man a God. (LDS Apostle Orson F. Whitney, Collected Discourses, Vol.5, May 8, 1898, LDS Collectors Library '97 CD-ROM)


Mormons deny the deity of Jesus Christ

The Deity of Jesus Christ is a fundamental doctrine of the faith, yet Mormons deny Christ's deity. Instead, Mormons promote man to the status of being "gods." Mormonism is straight from Hell and must be exposed for the lies that it teaches. The Word of God proclaims that Jesus Christ is God (John 1:1-3,10,14). Isaiah 9:6 called Jesus the "Everlasting Father." John 10:33 reads, "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God." The Jews were trying to kill Jesus because He was claiming to be God. They also tried to murder Jesus in John 8:57-59. In fact, Jesus professed Himself as Almighty God in Revelation 1:8, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Jesus forgave sin as only God can do (Mark 2:5). Jesus accepted worship as only God is entitled to (Isaiah 42:8; Matthew 8:2). Mormons wickedly deny Christ's deity, while selfishly proclaiming their own. Mormons have foolishly bought into the Devil's lie that they will one day become gods. The Word of God never teaches any such nonsense. There is and always will be only one Living God (Deuteronomy 6:4)."

Mormons Teach Salvation by Works

"Mormons believe that one's salvation is based on such good works as baptism, good deeds, missionary work, and following Mormon teachings. In The Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, justification by faith in Jesus Christ is called a "pernicious doctrine" twice and he states that it has been "an influence for evil." (pp. 107, 480) Bruce McConkie once stated at Brigham Young University that a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is "improper and perilous" (Church News, March 20, 1982, p. 5)" -quote by Pastor James Melton

The Word of God clearly teaches that salvation is by simple heart's faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (Romans 10:10). Titus 3:5 reads, "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost." The "washing of regeneration" is NOT speaking about baptism, but about the blood of Jesus that washes our sins away..."...and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." -1st John 1:7. When we receive Christ as our Saviour, our sins are cleanses away by Jesus blood. Colossians 1:14 declares, "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins."

John 1:12,13 proclaim, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Salvation is of God friend, NOT you or anyone else. Good works cannot save us. The Pope cannot save us. The priest cannot save us. The church cannot save us. Baptism cannot save us. Missionary work cannot save us. The sacraments cannot save us. ONLY Jesus can save us, and Jesus is God! "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" -John 14:6. It's Jesus or Hell friend, turn or burn! Please turn from your unbelief while you still can, and place your complete trust in the Lord Jesus Christ to forgive your sins and save you.

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Yes, that is brought up by many Christians. But how can they believe that we are children of God and He is our loving Father and he does not want us to have what He has?
Besides - no one made that doctrine up, God Himself said that. There are only two possibilities - either Joseph Smith was a fraud and the Mormons believe in nonsense (but they try to be good people and follow the teachings of christ and put the family in the center of their daily life) or he indeed was called of God. There is one sure way to find out, as stated in James 1:5 and Moroni 10:3-5 (Book of Mormon) respectively and ask God with a sincere heart and humbly.

As for the second claim - it is always funny that our teachings are being misinterpreted and then those misinterpretations are thrown back at us.
No, Mormons believe very, very much in the deity of Jesus Christ, his atonement and resurrection are considered the most important events in the history of men. Whoever claims that the Mormons do not believe in the deity of Christ is a lier.

Claim 3:
No, the teaching is very clear (consistent with the Bible) that we are saved by grace after we have done what we can. No one can save himself, only through the atonement of Christ we can be made spotless before God - and nothing that is not spotless cannot endure in His presence. That is a very clear teaching of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and that fact has been stressed a lot since the restoration of the Gospel in the first half of the 19th century.
This is another proof that many false claims are manufactured to discredit the true Church of Jesus Christ.

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It isn't a Mormon movie per se, it is a biography of a young man serving God in a very, very different culture from his own.
I think anyone of faith can relate to his experiences - or a love for Polynesian culture and lifestyle for that matter.

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