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In defense of this "poor soul"


I find it a going pretty low for reviewer barbarella70 to be calling me a "poor soul" for saying that All Over The Guy breaks barriers. It DOES break barriers, instead of making us the usual "serial killers or flamboyant queens" like that person so longs for! It instead focuses on two regular guys with baggage from their past trying to connect with each other. That indeed is quite different from the usual stereotyped material forced on us.

Since when are musicians like David Gray and The Jayhawks considered "mainstream" music?? Though well respected, you never see them in demand to sing on tv shows or topping the record charts.....

It's perfectly fine to state "your opinion," but by getting personal with other reviewers and calling them names, it's just plain wrong.

That's MY opinion.....

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Glad to see you finally put your two cents in. Remember, one man's trash is another man's classic.

As for the movie and the sad fact that some people seem to find it "fresh" and "groundbreaking", I quote David Schmader:

"To give a rousing standing ovation to an entirely mediocre gay arts event seems no different than clapping extra loud for the retarded kid in a talent show."

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Okay, we get that you didn't like the film...that's fine, but getting in the last word just to put the rest of us down is really a waste of time.....let those of us who liked it enjoy it, and you can move on to something you enjoyed watching :)

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can't speak for yourself that you have to use other people's quote?!

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I gotta say I recently saw this movie on IFC late one night, I'd heard about it for awhile but never knew the name. Glad I saw it, and I've manage to see it a couple more times. Whether or not you find it sappy or romantic, I can only say I hope I find someone I can call an a$$hole and they still know how much I love them. I want someone to take the time to find me a mint condition Cornelius action figure, someone I can go to the flea market with and hunt for a vintage martini set. And if that's too close to pocketbook holding for some people...you do the math! I asked for the DVD for my birthday. As for you, withlargefries, you are not alone in your romance-minded ways.

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I just bought the US DVD (the dutch DVD is P&S) and absolutely love this movie.
Money well spent !

" can only say I hope I find someone I can call an a$$hole and they still know how much I love them. I want someone to take the time to find me a mint condition Cornelius action figure, someone I can go to the flea market with and hunt for a vintage martini set."
Although I don't consider myself to be very romantic, I agree with you 100 %...

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I couldn't agree more, hippiedj. I really loved this movie. And I too, believe that is broke barriers. I wish there were more movies like this that doesn't use any of the typical stereotypes.

=)
~Morgan.

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Thanks! And thanks to everyone for being supportive of this matter and the film! Nice to know there are some folks out there that care! Hugs! :)

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I saw the film just once. A good friend entertained me with it while I was sick. The next day, feeling much better, I find myself checking out if there was a dvd or vcd on it. Luckily there was one albeit a vcd. Why do I like it, despite what others have portrayed the lifestyle to be, is its honesty. I think when a film like that "tugs" the heart, it works and is beautiful. I don't think liking it or disliking it makes a viewer bad -- nor does it make a film poorly made. I can't explain it well too, "all or alls" I know is it charmed my heart. Of course it leaves you asking why this too are still at each other's doors whenever they fight. If you've been in love and have lost, then I think SOME of you will get the answers to that. The "poor soul" has somehow "enriched mine" in a world where we lack material that somehow guides us through the dating and mating. It was an honest-to-goodness warm film. Does it qualify for an Oscar -- that's something else. But it surely made a big "win" in my heart.

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I am going to agree with you. I am a straight woman in my thirties and I caught this movie half way through late one night on IFC a few months back. I didn't know the name of it. I turned on IFC last night and there it was again. I found this message board because I was checking the internet to see if I could locate the soundtrack for this movie.

I like the message . . . gay or straight . . . relationships are tough, but worth it and I think it has an excellent soundtrack.

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bnudb4 says:

>>I am going to agree with you. I am a straight woman in my thirties and I caught this movie half way through late one night on IFC a few months back. I didn't know the name of it. I turned on IFC last night and there it was again. I found this message board because I was checking the internet to see if I could locate the soundtrack for this movie. <<

I agree! I saw the movie on IFC last night and loved it. I really loved the music, so if you find the soundtrack, please let me know. The Jayhawks, especially.

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kudos hippiedj i like your rebuttal

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Thank you actyk, and to all that have been so kind here! Nice to know you're all out there!

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This was a cute film, and very real, IMO. I liked the friendship between Eli and Brett, you don't normally see gay men and straight men have friendships in films...most of the time gay men are associated and friends only with women. So that was definitely a fresh aspect of the movie. I also just liked the movie as a whole. I was grinning like mad by the end and thought to myself, "aww, what a cute movie!". And I agree...perfect date film for gays and staights! (Just for the record, I'm a straight female in her early twenties)

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I'm glad that so many people of all orientations could 'get' this movie for what it was, a true reflection of the difficulties of love, without any dreadful, typical sterotypes to swallow. Yeah, it's just a comedy, and Oscar material it's not, but it's so surprisngly fresh, its dialogue so witty, and it speaks so well to my own heartbreaks and happinesses in life that I teared up at the end when the 'alcoholic' guy says, "Eli," and kisses him. I've seen it now (by accident, I claim) three times, and I like it more each time. The first time I worried that it was 'shallow' and 'California,' the second time I didn't care, and the third time I was amazed to find it 'deep' and 'Everyplace.' It's not even worth talking about that nasty person who needed to insult those of us who liked it. A case of arrested emotional development, if you ask me.

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everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so I will say mine. I enjoyed All Over the Guy. I think it was good that it didn't base the entire storyline on just the gay guys. That is a clever way for the writer and director to get more straight people watching, which is a good move because it introduces those who don't understand the gay lifestyle to a less vulgar one than shown in other movies. Now, In and Out is probably the WORST movie I have ever seen. I was horrified when I watched it. I mean, everything about this movie was just awful. I say this as my opinion as I am sure others may have enjoyed it. But to me, the entire cast was unconvincing. And the students at the high school. Oh, I shudder everytime I think about the scene in the end where they were all claiming to be gay and the "stud" character (if you dare call him that, as he looked like a mule to me) stands up and mutters some horrid line about liking to sleep with girls and being very good at it. I get the impression the screenwriter was hoping this moment would be received with several awwwwwwwwwww's and oooooooooooh's. Instead I gagged. I didn't want this loser playing on the gay team LOL, even if he was just lying.

All Over the Guy was great in casting. The gay couple, one masculine and the other feminine, was perfect. I didn't care much for Eligh in the beginning, but he grew on me.

If anyone wants to see a fantastic gay flick rent Trick. I LOVE that movie. In Connecticut or Tennessee, every gay guy I have ever met who has seen this movie has loved it. But spare yourselves the agony of seeing Kevin Kline and Tom Selleck playing gay men, as it's not even convincing. Tom should know by now he is typycast forever as Magnum P.I. and Kline would have been more convincing as an aging gay man, not someone who suddenly realizes he is gay at the drop of a hot one day.

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Although I understand the intentions of Trick, I was just wasn't into the cutie-boy aspect of it and having the big important speach done by the obligitory drag queen. That formula has been done to death! There are gay men that exist over the age of 30 and don't go to drag shows, and are looking for actual love rather than a convenient place to have sex (another reason to see films like All Over The Guy and Big Eden). All Over The Guy steered clear of the typical stereotypes and cliches of films with a gay element, and focused on intimacy rather than just getting laid ... But then again, I'm not trying to disuade folks from seeing or enjoying Trick -- just comparing its aspects to All Over The Guy :) It's so rare to find a film like this that sets itself apart from so many others of this genre...

I guess because I'm of the older, bearded (thus non-GQ) type of guy, I'm looking for a more mature aspect in a story, which Trick didn't provide since it was about two younger cute guys looking for a place to have sex (ok, sure, they supposedly learned a few things along the way). AOTG dealt more with issues, and reminded a lot of what I've seen actually go on in relationships and life :)

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I respect and get your points of that post, hippiedj, but isn't it fair to say that since Trick was made in 1998 that it may have been one of the firs to have a catty drag queen? I mean, To Wong Foo and Priscilla Queen of the Desert had already been out, but both movies described drag queens as kind, nice people, where as Trick showed an uglier side. (what's funnier is that the evil drag queen in Trick had a cameo in To Wong Fu)

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I loved it! I can relate myself to Eli, well, not in the geekiness part, but the way he dealed with Tom and when he was mad, ahh, that's me!

And Brett& Eli's friendship, the kind I want! Though at first, thinking it was just another gay film, I thought they'd hook up.
Haha! I was wrong.

I also liked that only Tom had a hag, not both. ;)

And nobody was dealing with "homosexual acceptance"
(Note to scriptwriters: either you make it a big point, or don't mention it! Grr..)

Finally, that the bitter woman at the party& wedding remained bitter at the end, since in all "romance movies", those find their 'true love' at the party.

Loved it! I'm gonna go buy it!

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I liked the movie because I like Ruccolo--he's a talent who hasn't seen his highest peak yet. But someone will recognize his strengths and find the perfect vehicle to bring him back into the limelight. Been a fan From 2 Guys and a Girl up to the One. I even tracked down Music From Another Room to see him--in a non-speaking role. Sorry to say I missed him on Joey and Reba.

I stumbled across All Over the Guy one night a couple years ago on IFC and managed to catch the last hour of it. It held my attention and I didn't understand why, until I watched the repeat later that night. I liked it because it wasn't the stereotypical role--hips swaying, lisping, screaming queen role--that seems to be so damned popular in TV and movies.

It's fine if that's how you are, everyone has the right to be who they are. But there are some of us in this world who don't fit into the stereotype--we like rock and metal, we don't swish when we walk, etc. And I realized this was the first movie where I didn't cringe at the performances, that's why I liked it. I could deeply appreciate the character of Tom; it's hard to open up and you find yourself closing down when you do find someone who likes you and whom you like as well. It's normal.

Damn, my shrink would be so proud of me right now--I've come so far in my therapy. Just kidding.

Hard to imagine it's been almost two years since I've sat down to watch this film. But I don't know if I can ever do that again. You see, without airing my personal life here, I was going through a very rough patch when I stumbled across this film on IFC. I taped it on the second run and watched it. It helped occupy my mind, get my mind off what was going on in my world. So much so that I--and this is where you can call me a loser or whatever you like--that I watched the damned thing every night for the next twenty-one days, until I got the good news that lifted the weight and worry from my shoulders. It helped me to come home from work and leave my worries behind for that hour and a half and just allow myself to be entertained.

I seriously doubt Richard Ruccolo will ever happen across my comments, but if he should, I would like to extend a heartfelt "Thank You" for helping me get through a rough, frightening time in my life, and for that I will remember you kindly and say may you have many blessings upon your house.

Like I said, I am a fan of Ruccolo and would watch just about anything he makes an appearance in. Hopefully, he'll find a starring vehicle and come back to us. Straight, gay, whatever, he's a helluvan actor and from what I understand an all-around nice guy.

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