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My take on the "Fiction" part of Storytelling


To me, the "Fiction" portion of Storytelling is a criticism on people who take the mechanics and techniques of telling a story way too seriously. When Vi reads her story, the entire table (save Marcus, who we assume knows that it actually happened) expresses their distaste for it with pseudo-intellectual terms and technical jargon (the biggest offender being Catherine, calling it "callow" and "cliche"). They all get way too deep in analyzing the story and are quite surprised when Vi proclaims that the story was true.

Expanding on this, Todd Solondz could have focused this criticism on naysayers who dogged his slightly unpopular film Welcome to the Dollhouse. Both Vi's story and Dollhouse have been called "mean-spirited" and both were misunderstood (well, in Solondz's opinion, anyway). What do you think?

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My first reaction to this film is one of deep respect for Todd Solondz. He’s combined 2 seemingly separate stories into one film - both with wildly varying running times, and it works! Why is this?

Several themes are strongly shared in both stories. Male power and the females who accept it strike me as one of the strongest.
Fiction depicts Vi’s teacher as a controlling, strong male figure that gets off on male domination and humiliation of females. Yet the girls are attracted to him and `acquiesce’ to his fantasies.
In Non-Fiction the strong male father (Goodman) towers over his wife and maid Consuelo while wielding power over his sons. Both stories also subtly bring into question political correctness and `white guilt’, be it towards race or sexual preference.
Characters in both films can’t see beyond their own prejudice to examine the messages that lie beneath.

What additional elemental theme ties these 2 stories together?
Teacher Mr. Scott sums it up for Fiction: stories based in reality automatically become fiction once pen is put to paper – there has to be a beginning, middle, and an end. Vi’s short story (about her sex with Mr. Scott) works more successfully because of the structure – not just because it’s based from reality.
Likewise in Non-Fiction Toby tries to relate the real-life experiences of Scooby and his family, yet when an audience view it, they react to the film as comedy for lack of developed narrative structure or characters that can be readily identified with.

Yet despite all of this Solondz’ film is original and re-works my idea of what a narrative form can be. I’m very impressed and wish to see some of his other films soon.


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Ebert has a good take on this (posted on the Chicago Sun-Times website).

Anyway, the entire film revolves around storytelling and it's obvious that there are Solondz's personal sentiments expressed in them (e.g. the accusations of exploiting and making fun of the characters in one's story like Solondz faced with his other films). Anyway, it's a take on the fine line between fiction and nonfiction and the role of the writer. When Vi reads her story, her class takes it to be fiction and rips it to shreds, attacking the manner of storytelling (that it's a racist story and uses taboo words for shock value as well as the characters (e.g. asking if Jane is stupid for letting the rape happen).

When Marcus reads his story, obviously autobiographical, he elicits a sort of PC phony sympathy from most of the class. When Vi reads her story, also about her personal experiences but less obvious, the class is quick to assign bogus literary terms and accusations (calling it racist, sexist, misogynistic). In the translation from nonfiction real life experience to a "fictionalized" state (that of a short story for a class) the presentation of information is altered.

As viewers, we see the real act and then hear the short story. Our reaction to witnessing Vi's experience with the rape is pitted against the classmates' reactions. Solondz is telling Vi's story - did we react as Vi's classmates did (writing it off as a PC trespassing with ugly characters) or did we, as Vi and Solondz may have hoped, accepted it as true to what happens in reality (albeit a sad one), not a mean-spirited story?

This sentiment is echoed in the "Non-Fiction" segment, when Scooby sees himself on film. Though the documentary footage is taken direct from reality and the only tinkering Toby may have done would be through editing, the audience finds Scooby to be laughable. Having seen Scooby as a character in Solondz's film and then seen him in Toby's film, do we see him as the screening audience sees him - as a ridiculous joke?

I think what Solondz is getting at is the complex relationship between storyteller, subject, and audience. The storytellers in the film are Vi, Marcus, Toby, Scooby, Scooby's family and the other people interviewed for the documentary, and Solondz himself. In telling a story, the storyteller has full control and responsibility over the characters and none over the audience. The film intones that the story is often propelled by things that what we as an audience often fail to hear or see (Solondz's sympathy for his characters was lost on many of his critics much like Toby's was). The storytellers in the film start off with rich material but are slammed based on surface perceptions (e.g. it has the N-word, must be racist, protagonist gets raped, must be misogynistic). Thus, the question of the storyteller's purpose emerges. Is the storyteller supposed to be a vessel through which reality flows or a filter for reality, responsible for delivering it in a nice package for the audience (e.g. so that the class would feel genuine sympathy for Jane or Marcus' character)? Or is the storyteller something else entirely? Though Solondz doesn't offer a solution to this problem, he does manage to subtly undermine the criticism he's received and also challenge the audience to examine the stories more deeply instead of giving them a once-over and applying an established formula for analysis (i.e. treating "Fiction" like Vi's classmates treated her story).

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To some degree I took fiction to be a critique on the various levels of political correctness on College Campuses.
During the first class nobody will harshly critique the kid with CP because, well, he has CP and they don't want to hurt his feelings.
However, when the story relates to the black man being a sexual predator of sorts the kids violently reject the piece as racist, when in fact, it was true.
I think Solendz was trying to explain how fair judgement and facts can be clouded by a liberal sense of political correctness which is burnt into kids on campus.

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I don't know, I think that the film is going beyond criticism and explanation. Solondz seems to make the film critical of even itself in order to tell the audience that it cannot be approached traditionally. I think he calls attention to criticism in order to move beyond it and elicit a reaction that is not critical but rather sympathetic. The teacher's pet gives an absolutely perfect criticism of the events of Solondz's own film, yet because when we hear it we know that Solondz has written it himself, it falls completely flat. Here, the audience is implicated in Vi's misery, just as in the scene in which the test screening audience laughs at Scooby's expense. Maybe Solondz wants us to feel sorry for his characters, but I think he's gone beyond this--after all, they are characters and not real people. It seems to me that he wants the audience to feel sorry for themselves, in an experience of auto-catharsis, if such a thing is possible!

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I've only just watched it, so my mind is kinda full of all kinds of things at the moment. But, from what I can gather, it seems to be very critical - like all of Soldonz's stuff - of people in general, and in particular here their views toward art. I think a lot of it is about artistic honesty. When both stories are read out in class in 'Fiction', they are criticised, pigeonholed even though they are both true. Fitspatrick's story is pigeonholed as a sentimental piece, eliciting phony PC reactions from many class members. The other story is torn to peices, automatically reading sex/race wars into the story when they have little to do with it. It displays just how difficult it is to write something hone, or nothing, to do with it. Solondz makes us realise this by showing us the events in a very real, emotional sense, letting us form our own opinions, then forcing us to realise how trite they seem written down.

'Non-fiction' is also about honesty, and has the same criticism of it as 'Fiction'. At the end, everyone laughs at the po-faced documentary. It is honest, well-meaning but, unfortunately, rubbish. Again, we have seen the family and film maker beforehand in very real situations, and also see them through the filter of an easily criticisable medium. And, again, we get to see how difficult it is to make honesty true. Which, obviously, links to Solondz's own aims at painfully exposing human relations.

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I think Solondz is being copletely self reflective in both parts. I feel like he made this movie as a reaction to the extreme responses to Happiness. Fiction (has already stated) has the dual reactions to the stories that we as the audience already viewed: the gentle story of a college student with CP in love with his girlfriend and the mean spirited, confrontational story about the college girl feeling violated by her black professor wanting her to use the "N word" during an angry sexual encounter. Now both stories are ostensibly "true" in the sense that they actually happened to the characters and the feelings they write in their work are how they genuinely felt about each incedent. But the reaction from the class is completely different. With the first they offer up nice, PC comemnts and with the second they rip it apart. Now the implication is that the class is really us as the audience reflecting on what we saw in the story. I think Solondz wanted to create a part for us the audience critiquing it all in Storytelling after the criticism he took for Happiness, both good and bad, because he made such a risky film. Now the Non-Fiction part of the film also had elements of us the audience being implicated. The scene of how Scooby's documentary is morphed from what Scooby felt was a sincere documentary into a comedy makes me think of seeing Happiness: I saw Happiness in a very crowded "art house" theater here in my town when it first came out. You could tell the audience was confused whether to laugh at these characters on screen or feel sorry for them. They started out with loud belly laughs at the begenning Jon Lovitz stuff but by the time it got to the child rape stuff, the only laughs were suttle, nervous laughs, as in "this makes me feel uncomfortable so I'm going to quietly chuckle" Another view is that the documentarian is supposed to be a version on Solondz himself and he is being self depricating with how he is often criticizing for laughing at his subjects instead of creating a more sympathetic portrayal of them.

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Very interesting thread, thank you! :)

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