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one of worst flicks ever seen by the human eye ?.


i hope there are not to many people out there who liked this, they would scare me a hell of a lot more than the two things in this dire piece of cinema. you get your kicks it's sick. IT'S ART YOU SAY, SO WHAT !!!.

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I agree this is a terrible film - If i wanted to watch porn I would get a porn movie - If I wanted a shock fest i'd watch Irreversible again (which was very good) - This is just hardcore maquerading as art house and it sucks !!! Plus the women aren't that nice anyway so you couldn't even enjoy the porn bits - The acting was terrible and frankly i've already wasted enough of my life watching it so i'll stop typing about it as well................

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I got the movie from Netflix and finally watched it today..if it were a porno, then I'd say it were a high quality porn, but this is nothing but a lame attempt at a legit movie, and very badly done at that. The only acting that's worth a damn IS the sex scenes, which I'm sure isn't what the director actually wanted..

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i thought it was by no means brilliant... but its definately not one of worst flicks ever seen by the human eye. Before it got banned i saw it on one of the biggest cinema screens in the city.. its a very powerful and shocking film to watch on the big-screen, i felt sick and nearly vomited in my pepsi.. partly because of the hand-held filming and the excesive violence, especially the bit where the break into the f*ck club and shoot everyone to death. its probably going to be the most brutal depiction of female rage ever to be thrown at audiences so respect it for what it is.

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interesting, im not sure if all men have that kind of feelings about the movie- certainly it's true for some men- especially those who still think women are the weaker race (GROW UP YOU MEN). On the contrary, i love it when women are in control like in baise-moi and thelma and louise.

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I like women to be partially in control also. However this film really never had enough drive behind its plot to warrant such unpleasant imagery. It was hard to identify with characters and where there is no identification there can be no true closure in a film.

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interesting, im not sure if all men have that kind of feelings about the movie- certainly it's true for some men- especially those who still think women are the weaker race (GROW UP YOU MEN). On the contrary, i love it when women are in control like in baise-moi and thelma and louise.

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Women are another race???

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i thought it was ok, i don't see what was so freakin horrific about it. i've seen worse*COUGH*Ken Park*COUGH*

it's a decent little brainless movie.

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It sure isn't that bad. Some people say the sex is too explicit, so what, what's the big deal with actually showing what's going on. And after that, the movie just turns into a very funny roadmovie. Btw Baise-Moi was shown in a lot big cinema's in Europe. For actresses who came out the porn-world, their performances weren't that bad.

And for the shock aspect, every shock effect already has been done in the movies, people can't be shocked anymore, that's why the movie is so damn funny.

(want to see something really shocking, watch CNN)

All hail the filmmakers who aren't afraid to show some REAL sex. (Lars von Trier did it in Idioterne and I heard nobody complain about that)


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I thought it was great - why do all movies have to make sense. The ending sucked though I wanted them to get away with it.
And as for the guy above who said he didn't enjoy it because the girls weren't good looking so he couldnt enjoy the porn - kinda missed the point a little don't you think? Maybe Manu & Nadine will come pay you a visit.
I thought the two were quite attractive and Karen Bach especially looked great posing with guns in her underwear - am I weird?

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YOU THINK KEN PARK IS BAD! YOU THINK Baise-moi IS BAD!!!!!!!! YOU KNOW NOTHING!!!!!
ONE WORD, "SALO".
SALO HAS TO BE THE MOST GRAPHIC GROSS MOVIE EVER MADE, ITS SHOCKING BRUTALITY AND SICKNESS HAS BEEN FOREVER ETCHED INTO MY BRAIN. KEN PARK AND THE EJACUALTION SCENE IS G-RATED COMPAIRED TO SALO.

I'd Buy THAT for a dollar!

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Yeah - agreed, I've never felt any burning desire to sit through SALO again, that really is the kind of movie you want to wash your brain after seeing.





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I think Salo is a very good movie, not one of my favorites, but close. It has an important message. Especially the ending, when the two boys dance is breathtaking.
Baise-moi also has an intelligent storyline, and is a very good movie considering the No-No-Budget the filmmakers had.
It is a Story of the failure of the Emancipation of two women in a masculine controlled world, because the only way the two female protagonists see to escape out of their oppression is by adopting to the masculine behavior , which consequentually leads to their own destruction (death).
Also not one of my favorites, but close. The book that was written 3 years before the movie leaves less unexplained.
If people don't get the message of this film, it's clear they don't understand one of the greatest problems of mankind: the want to dominate and control others, e.g. male oppresion of women in the last centuries.
Besides I'm a man, so you don't think this was written by a crazy emancipist.

In order to condamn violence, you have to show it!!

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I agree with you, Salo is a very good movie. my wife and I saw it recently on a big screen. very impressive.

Baise Moi is kinda like Thelma and Louise with more violence and sex. I like Baise Moi but I do like Thelma and Louise better because it has a better ending. I was hoping the girl in Baise Moi would go out in a blaze of glory.

the author herself was a porn actress. so it is natural for her to get publicity for her film by showing hardcore porn scenes in her own movie.

anyway, when I saw Baise Moi in a theatre with my wife, I noticed a lot of middle age men there. I really think that they were there for the sex scenes. I have been to that art house theatre many times, and that was the first time to see so many middle age men watching a movie there.

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I didn't quite follow the point of this film. It seemed to be a cross between Thelma & Louise and a porn film. It wasn't particularly shocking, i think the point of the sex scenes was to see if they could get it past the censors, and get a porno in to the mainstream market. And the violence was crap, irreversible, saving private ryan, full metal jacket...etc have all done it better. If there were softer sex scenes in this film, nobody would ever have heard of it!! A dissapointment to foreign films, watch La Haine or Doberman if you want a good french flick.

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Love this movie, The drive for the killings and the violance is the fun to freely express an instant emotion. That's why in the end they do not get away with it. Usully a murderer who gets away with things like in I Spit On Your Grave really deserved to kill. They just had a great time doing it. I think the acting is very reall. The only thing that pissed me off is the soundtrack but even that i thought was appropriate with the whole euro trash feel. great movie.

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Lars von Trier did it in Idioterne and I heard nobody complain about that)


That's because "The Idiots" was actually a quality, thought-provoking movie - unlike Baise-moi...






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>i've seen worse*COUGH*Ken Park*COUGH*

This is the correct answer.

I have to admit, the rape scene made me giggle.

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This is a film meant to provoke debate and discussion - about outdated attitudes to violence and sexuality. Naturally, it will cause concern amongst conservative minded people, but for those of us intelligent and open-minded to see the film for the brave experiment that it is can appreciate it. And the violence in the film is LESS offensive than the gun fetish that was truly the worst film ever - Bad Boys 2.

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I'm a very open minded person... but this film is not art, it's porn. There is no way the shots used are not pornographic. It was ridculous. It was also a completely *beep* up storyline.. Sorry this was not for me at all. The directors were so pretentious when being interviewd "All women should see this" why the hell should they. They could just as easily rent a porno and get the same thing, at least it wouldnt be hiding under an 'arty' label.

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It's fine to share your opinion (i can't say i agree however), but don't try and insult everyone with comments like 'for those of us intelligent and open-minded...' It just gives the impression that you are arrogant, and have no argument. And the fact the majority of people on this board knew what this film was about and still watched it shows that they are open minded, so that point was wrong. In addition to this i personally (along with most of the others here i'm sure) have seen more shocking and provocative cinema. Try Visitor Q, Irreversible, Suicide Club, Ichi the killer... (all of which are better than this rubbish).

Baise Moi, simply did nothing new. The sex (intimacy, the idiot, irreversible) violence (very tame by the way in comparison to hundreds of other films, acting (awful) and story of female empowerment has all been done before, just better. Thats just my opinion!

By the way i didn't particularly like Bad Boys 2.

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i went into this film with a fairly open mind, and watched it with my flatmates and a few friends. the decision was unanimous, with this being one of the worst films any of us had ever seen.

i dont have a problem with graphic scenes, either sexual or violent, but all i ask of it is that there is either a) a story, b) characters worth watching, or c) a point to it all. this film had none of them. the characters were like hollow shells (that may have been the point, who knows), and the story was at best basic, and at worst non existant. to me this film seems to have been made to try and shock, but what they didnt realise when making it that for it to be any good there has to be more to the film than just shock value.

im just gutted that i paid for the dvd, and dont have the receipt. damn impulse buying :(

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so which is the worst flick ever seen by something other than a human eye?

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<so which is the worst flick ever seen by something other than a human eye? >

My cat really hated Love Actually.

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Obviously this film has a storyline, two women who feel repressed by someone close to them, end up murdering them in a violent rage because they dont like the way they are being controlled and constantly judged by that person. They then meet and find they have something in common and go on an adventure which is mainly about revenge against the male gneder. That'll do for a storyline, also at the end they are punished for their crimes, one is shot the other is caught by the police.

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Okay, Now I'm gonna go in and say I loved the film,

I know, it was explicit and sexual but hey that's life, or at least that's my life, life isnt always sugarcoated and neither is this film.

And the genius behind the plot is that there is none, it is just life propelled out of control, human behaviour with morals cut away, this is what happends when actions don't have consequences.

So from my point of view I loved it, it was raw, didnt beat arround the bush and was just about how messed up stuff can get.

And the actresses werent bad, not at all, they were just real.

Just didnt know what the panty ripping was all about, waste of a good pair, I always have trouble not tearing them ;-)

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Suzie I loved this film too and hey I'll rip my pants for the right cock although teeth do it better.

The film is WAY better than irreversible which is just 20 minutes of rape and violence, then dull boredom.
In BM we have 2 beautiful shag priestesses who decide life is *beep* If life is *beep* then make it better and that's what they selfishly do. The sound track is banging, the sex scenes are very sexy and anyone who says the girls are not attractive must be blind.

I love the fact that the film is made by a porn star and the actors/actresses all had contacts with that industry so they show it for what it is...witness the hilarious massacre in the *beep* club and th piggy deliverance piss take. The film is totally hilarious until the incredibly sad ending.

To compare this film with Thelma and Louise is just a joke.
Any woman who has any sexual experience will find this film hilarious.

Gaspar Noe tried really hard to get his film Irreversible banned, but his crude efforts failed and the only reason more people know about his work is because dumb Monica Belluci agreed to be ass raped in it...which is not hilarious or even remotely entertaining.

I love the opening shots of BM and I have got a collar just like hers hehehe

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You're kidding me, right?

"Gaspar Noe tried really hard to get his film Irreversible banned, but his crude efforts failed and the only reason more people know about his work is because dumb Monica Belluci agreed to be ass raped in it...which is not hilarious or even remotely entertaining."

It's not supposed to be hilarious or entertaining, you twit. Monica Belluci is still making movies, while the broads in this piece of *beep* are getting corn-holed every night for about 50 bucks a pop.


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Erm no, one of the female leads comitted suicide in Januuary 2005. And i believe Necrophilia is illegal everywhere.

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The film is WAY better than irreversible which is just 20 minutes of rape and violence, then dull boredom.
In BM we have 2 beautiful shag priestesses who decide life is *beep* If life is *beep* then make it better and that's what they selfishly do. The sound track is banging, the sex scenes are very sexy and anyone who says the girls are not attractive must be blind


Right, because life sucks then it's ok to go on a killing rampage?, i can enjoy mindless violence in movies, but when the movie wants to justify the violence in such silly and juvenile way it's really hard to take it seriouslly at any basic level of enjoyment. And unlike this film, Irreversible wasn't celebrating the violent acts that it was showing. It was a cycle of violent acts lead by unfortunate events and human emotions, not just two brainless chicks that think that killing people is "cool".

Also, the grainy look of the film, and the way the sex scenes are handled, are very far from being erotic or sexy. I don't think it was the purpose of the director, or maybe it was and she was just too clumsy trying to convert it.

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"Right, because life sucks then it's ok to go on a killing rampage?, i can enjoy mindless violence in movies, but when the movie wants to justify the violence in such silly and juvenile way it's really hard to take it seriouslly at any basic level of enjoyment."

I totally agree with you on that, when I was watching the movie I was actually thinking to myself "hey hang on here am I supposed to hate the main characters?" imo the whole movie was a lame excuse for putting as much sex and violence on screen as possible under the total nonsence that the movie had some deeper meaning to it.

Crap on every level and even the sex scenes were a waste of time.

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You went to see a movie titled "RAPE ME"...

Honestly. What the *beep* did you expect?

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It's kind a stupid, making a remark like that!

And why can't you just show some sex in a movie, i don't understand. I just was not as shocked by this film as i was after seeing Caligula, Necromantic, Cannibal Holacaust or Lunacy.. Well maybe it's because i'm from the Netherlands, you kown, Amsterdam..(sorry, that's also a stupid thing to say)

Well, just don't say like: "This ain't art, it's porn". I mean, who says it's art!! And like you never watch porn!
And maybe it is art! I mean, it's an art to get people and find someone crazy enough to *beep* in your film.
And storylike, it's pretty hard getting raped and "taking it like a man" like she does and meeting someone you get that close with, and do al those things and almost getting away with it. I can't paint "the scream" or something, but i can't do al those things in the movie as well...

never mind, it makes no sense at all..

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"Baise Moi" translates as "Fu ck Me", it does not mean rape me as the directors have said in a 2002 interview

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"Baise Moi" translates as "Fu ck Me", it does not mean rape me as the directors have said in a 2002 interview

Wrong. Baise translates as kiss, but apparently the phrase 'baise moi' translates colloquially as more like 'shag me' - the makers themselves say this in the DVD extras.

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"Wrong. Baise translates as kiss, but apparently the phrase 'baise moi' translates colloquially as more like 'shag me' - the makers themselves say this in the DVD extras."

Wrong. A number of French language films use the word baise when talking about sex, it is a word that can be used for a number of things the same way words in English are used to mean different things

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I really hated this film also.
It didn't offend me or anything, it just sucked.


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Payceck,Titanic,Terminator 3,Gigli,Maid in Manhattan and Mr.Deeds are all 300.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000 times worse, but this movie is still really bad. Not because of the voilence and the sex but because it´s only purpose is to try and shock you, and since I can´t be shocked it just bores me.

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For me, Baise-Moi was a slightly above average film. I'd have rated it higher if the ending had been as postmodern as the film itself. Ironically, for a European film with controversal content, the ending was very classical Hollywood with the protagonists punished for their crimes.

As for the the rest of the film, it had an interesting premise. All good films can be summarised in one sentence and this, for me, this did. Two repressed women break free and go on a road trip, living the way they only understand, which is violence and sex. I love the ambiguity in the film and the fact that these women actually failed to break from the cycle of masculinity because their road trip was an analogy of what they had been subjected to them in the past.

Someone in the above post said this:

**It is a Story of the failure of the Emancipation of two women in a masculine controlled world, because the only way the two female protagonists see to escape out of their oppression is by adopting to the masculine behavior , which consequentually leads to their own destruction**

The perfect summary of what I'm trying to explain and for me, it makes more sense than the comment made by Suzie Q Toller, who said the genius of the plot is there is none. The story is their failure to fully emancipate from their past, which is shown within road trip 'plot.' Break down the sequences and you'll see how the plot progresses.

Cheeky Monkey argues that the film did nothing new. In terms of plot, of course the film did nothing new, it's simply impossible. As Aristotle stated, there are only 36 different types of plot. Of course, you can implement new techniques into film, lets say Memento's play with linearity, but the plot of Memento has probably been rehashed a million times, from Egyptian to contemporary writing. In terms of plot, what was good about Baise-Moi is the vicious cycle the two protagonists had become involved in. A lovely insight into the relations between sex and violence in the French contemporary underclass. And finally, a beautiful exploration of how sex and death ultimately entwine. Something humans have obsessed over for thousands of years. Is it coincidence guys, that you get an erection when you die??

Baise-Moi is an okay film and worth 75 mins of your time. Shame about the ending.

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couldnt work out if this was art / porn / or just crap

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I've never seen the film. Just reading the message board, I can answer that. Its just crap

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I finally saw this movie. What a complete waste of time this movie was. This movie tried to shock, but it fell on it's ass trying too hard. At least I got to see Karen for the first and last time. R.I.P.

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2nd worst film. Titanic is still the worst film ever.

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"I've never seen the film. Just reading the message board, I can answer that. Its just crap "

You'll need to go a long way to find a post as stupid as this one!

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Thank god somebody answered who had a similar reading of the movie. The first time I watched it at a theater in London I was pretty shocked. Only after two years and two rewatches was I convinced of the film`s quality.
And thanks for the nice words :-)

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