I watched the uncensored version yesterday, and I would like to know if there is a censored version. A (female) collegue of mine recommended this movie, and when I watched it, I couldn't believe she would like it! Here's a tip for people that are going to see it: watch it with friends that are used to see violent movies, and can handle porngrafic scenes. Or else you will get in odd situations.
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i dont think there is a censored version... simply because censoring it would involve cutting about 75% off of the movie... however there is a version in the UK (not really censored) which cuts out the part of the rape scene where we see the penetration.. ahem.. but the rest is left how it is.
shareDoes the UK version not cut the bl*wj*bs? Doesnt that count as hardcore or am I getting old?
sharethe uk (finally) allowed "hardcore" scenes into the 18 catergory a couple of years back, but our ridiculous cencorship body still managed to totally butcher THAT scene with the excecution of the guy in the brothel, removing all shots of penetration which A. totally ruined the pacing of the scene and B. ruined the whole point of the scene. in short it sucked. the cuts to the rape scene where fairly unoticable however. in total 12 seconds where cut which jut goes to show how much even a single shot can totally alter an entire film. i cant wait for the day when the british grow the f**k up and start to realise that censoring really doesn't work and other countries with less stringent rules are in fact far less violent places. deal with the real life problems first and the art that reflects it will follow.
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To me the people talking about specific ruling of the BBFC are wrong (please correct me with some evidence otherwise).
Hardcore is NOT allowed into 18 films. The R18 category, where the films with this classification can only be sold in sex shops, was created for this reason. I do not understand why, according to the BBFC guidelines, this film passed at 18 (even if the rape penetration shot, and the gun up the arse shot, were cut).
About the headbutts, it doesn't work on the scale you described. Just because a film contains a headbutt, doesn't mean they just up the rating (they do not add all parts together, violence, sex, drugs, language to get the rating; all are excluse and are judged indepently). For example, a film can have offensive language, sex, drugs, and violence, and only achieve a 12 rating, if that is what the highest level of all of these different issues should achieve. However, a film may have just one instance of the word c.u.n.t and it will go to 18, even if all of the other parts are on a U level.
If a film is at 18, and it has a headbutt, it will (in 99.9% of situations) stay uncut. The headbutts, by their guidelines, should be judged in a variety of ways, and one headbutt can be more severe than another.
The headbutt in Star Wars 2 was probably very mild (it occured in the fight between Jango Fett and Obi-Wan I believe), that's why it would have only made it a 12 rating. However, in other films, headbutts may be more stylished, with impact wounds and sound effects, so this in themselves would be rated higher.
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Hardcore is NOT allowed into 18 films. The R18 category, where the films with this classification can only be sold in sex shops, was created for this reason. I do not understand why, according to the BBFC guidelines, this film passed at 18 (even if the rape penetration shot, and the gun up the arse shot, were cut).
There are no constraints at this level on theme, language, nudity or horror. The Board may, however, cut or reject the following content
* any detailed portrayal of violent or dangerous acts which is likely to promote the activity. This includes also instructive detail of illegal drug use
* the more explicit images of sexual activity - unless they can be exceptionally justified by context
However, a film may have just one instance of the word c.u.n.t and it will go to 18, even if all of the other parts are on a U level.
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There may be frequent use of strong language; the strongest terms (eg 'c***') are only rarely acceptable. Continued aggressive use of strong language and sexual abuse is unacceptable.
I originally saw this movie in the US at an independent film series and have seen it again on DVD. A few of the most important seconds seem to have been cut in the DVD release, but I couldn't say mow many seconds are gone. I am male. This film made me extremely uncomfortable. My original reaction to seeing the unedited rape scene was shock and revulsion and extreme guilt at my personal conflict between watching the sex and understanding the violence of it. In short, it was powerful moment, and very successful. The presumably-edited DVD cut did not provide the same feeling, as the long uncomfortable glare at the penetration was removed and, therefore, did not force the viewer to consider the moment in the same way. I don't think I was just desensitized to the scene the second time around, as it truly seemed to last forever. The modest shortening unfortunately cheapened the whole experience of seeing the film, and made both the sex and violence more gratuitious. If you can't feel the moral/ethical conflict unfolding, all that's left is slasher porn. It's worse than making a Rated-R version of Requiem For A Dream for release at Blockbuster and Walmart.
shareI actually owned a censored versionb of this film done by Hongkong distr. I tell ya, it was a waste of time and money. I can understand censorship and it's purpose but this is pathetic, i mean their version doesn't even get closed from basic instinct Nudity & sex scenes.
shareHere in Argentina there was no censored edition, besides if it´s censored they would´ve to cut the whole film.
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Do you think it is better to have the film BANNED or CUT?
Better to edit a film from NC-17/Unrated to R/PG-13 ?
I believe the film should be shown in its original form, nomatter how much or of what is cut from it. If it's how a director intended it, then it's how it should be shown.
For those countries in which it is banned, I wouldent worry too much- there is so much social change occuring at the moment and with it comes new levels of 'acceptability' for portrayal of sex and violence within films.
I think your female coworker recommended you the film because it is a feminist statement. I am pretty sure she likes it because of the message in the movie, not the porn scenes and the violence.
shareI am in the UK, we censor even the satelite adult channels, so here is what we allow:
Flacid Penis shots only - No erections of any kind so BJ shots are out too.
No Penetration at all with anything.
Female genitilia are allowed to be shown.
I am sure soon we will get to grips with the global world, I just downloaded the FULL uncut version of this film, so even though its not allowed I still get to see it.
Even the crap "sex" videos you are allowed to buy in sex shops are way way over priced or just as crap as satelite TV. By overpriced I mean about £80 for 1 film.
We CANNOT hire / Rent ANY hardcore (anything with erections and penetrations) material at all. We can only buy from "Sex" shops which are hard to find as they cannot advertise and the only way you can find it is by looking for a "shop" with frosted glass not appearing to sell anything at all.
The internet is becoming mainstream now so I expect censorship will suddenly find that the internet is not going to stop, and just to deal with it.
I cannot imagine what the UK cut version of this film is like, I expect the whole plot is ruined.
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In addition to what snakegamer said, we can't allow people getting covered in poo, or being pissed on. We can't show people getting humiliated or anything degrading to the BBFC. There only about 90 porn shops in the UK.
The Idiots contains erections and penetration!!
'Here is a man who would not take it anymore!'
In the UK too, and this was actually on Sky Cinema last night, which was odd in itself, but it certainly wasn't heavily censored. Although the mentioned two shots (rape pentration and pistol up the arse) are cut, the rest seems to be in place, including bj's and erections.
Certainly surprising to see it on.
I was surprised to see it on Sky Cinema the other night too, especially when it was shown after a run of old Gregory Pecks films!
Perhaps the 'Red Hot Wives' adult channel should change it's name to the 'Arty Smut Channel' and they would get away with showing alot more (they might even get a lottery grant)
It is worrying when you see baise-moi on the same channel as films like The Sound Of Music...
I'm quite confused as to its rating on the version shown on Sky, as the guidelines from the BBFC state
"the more explicit images of sexual activity - unless they can be exceptionally justified by context"
I don't see how the scenes are justified by their context.
The video and DVD is avalible in the shops rated 18. There is one high street store beginning with H ending in V, middle letter M, (I didn't want to advertise) with the DVD in the 2 for £20 offer. I think Sound of Music is also on offer. What I am trying to say is that Sky has every right to show Baise Moi at any time past the 18 rated 10pm watershed, in the same version as the 18 rated DVD version that can be bought from the shops just as any 18 rated film can.
"If the government says it's ok it's no longer immorral" Rev Lovejoy
The censorship in the UK is ridculous however saying that once on satelite tv i saw someone giving a man a footjob with an errect penis on summin like sexcetera or summin I was suprised as this i usually censored so i suppose not all "hardcore" sex is always censored althought never seen anything like that again
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