Who else hated the ending?


The thing that killed it was Raiden getting together with Rose, who spied on him and lied to him. It was almost as bad as Meryl's ending in MGS 1. It would have been better if Raiden asked what she told him (the way she really felt, her being pregnant, etc.) was really true, and she said "no", that it was part of the masquerade. After that, Raiden would leave. This ending has to be one of the cheesiest and most typical endings I've ever seen.

Does anyone else share my opinion?

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I disagree completely. While not the best ending, I thought it was rather good.

Who the hell are these Patriots? Are they human?
Not anymore they ain't! (MGS4)

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Why would she have lied about being pregnant? She told raiden that after she admitted that she was a patriot spie, which she didn't have to do either. Telling him the tuth about being a spie when he didn't even suspect she was and then lieing about being pregnat right after would make little sense. Plus the ending fit, whats wrong with having a happy (well sort of)ending once in a while?

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I don't mind happy endings, but sometimes I feel they're done in such lousy ways.

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Plus, I feel that, if it were used, my type of ending could have made sense in some way: when Rose spilled her beans about being a spy, she could have been ordered to do so, along with the other things she said. After that, the Patriots would make it SEEM like she was being held hostage, in order to make sure Raiden did his job. They would even throw in the A. I. of Rose in order to make sure that he was fooled. After all, the other events of the Big Shell incident(the harrier attack, the deaths of Ames, President Johnson, Emma Emmerich and Olga Gurlukovich, etc.) mirrored Shadow Moses, as a part of the S3 plan with which to manipulate Raiden. Why not this, too, as it shared some similarity with Meryl being held captive?

So, yes, Rose's story could have been made to be part of the S3 masquerade. Instead, Kojima gave us (if you ask me, that is) one hell of a lousy ending.

At least he gave us MGS3's ending to make up for it, though.

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On the codec when she says "My preganant jack...I'm carrying...urrrrr baaaabyyyyy" (disconnect) that freaked me out so much.

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We'll see how happy it is when 4 rolls around. He apparently doesn't have many meat bits left in that ninja suit. I have doubts anything after Raiden's capture and torture really happened... assuming he was really at Big Shell at all.

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I agree. The ending was as cliche as you can get.

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To be honest, I hated the ending as well, although for different reasons:

It basically was far too similar to the Matrix Reloaded, especially the bit about the almost Architect-scene-like conversation with the AI, and then we get Snake basically talking nihilism to Raiden and how reality is basically fiction, and there isn't such a thing as absolute reality. Honestly, if there was any character who was the worst, it was Solid Snake for that scene alone, plus his terrorism (Snake even admits it to Raiden), plus his love of killing and war as highlighted in MGS, plus his basically manipulating Raiden into a Trojan prisoner ploy despite the fact that he hated it when Campbell and Big Boss effectively did the same to him, among other things. It's too much like the Nihilism of the Matrix, and this was despite them trying to avoid any direct similarities to the Matrix movies by omitting the sunglasses from Dead Cell. Then we get into a poorly-done cliffhanger where they discover the heads of the Patriots had been dead for a century, leaving things hanging. Raiden meeting Rose was actually one of the few things that was actually tolerable about the ending.

Honestly, the post-modernist bent was just bad.

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Solid Snake doesn't love killing and war. What gave you that idea? Psycho Mantis? The dude was lying big time (nothing displayed in any other game with Solid Snake as the main protagonist makes him out to be a monster). Liquid Snake? The guy is clearly delusional in addition to holding a gigantic grudge against his "brother".

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