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What material exactly did Hicks write?


Does anyone know which jokes exactly are Hicks written? I really never saw him as someone that did this type of humor. I always saw him as a bit on the clean side.

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Hicks on the "clean side"? Weird.

"I can speak for every guy in this room here tonight. Guys, if you could blow yourselves, ladies, you'd be in this room alone right now. Watching an empty stage."

"Childbirth is no more a miracle then eating food and a turd coming out of your ass."

Yup, that's Bill! Clean wholesome fun! :D

Anyways: Bill Hick's work was STOLEN by Denis Leary, as anyone can see by actually watching both of their works and looking at the dates they were made. Denis Leary was a very mild-mannered sweatered stand-up going nowhere when he suddenly changed his act and made "No Cure For Cancer", which "borrowed" some of Hick's routines.

Some of the stolen stuff: "Shop around for cigarette types, low birth weight etc." and the freaking out and suddenly stopping and saying "I'm available for children's parties".

The difference between Bill Hicks and Denis Leary is that Bill was for real, while Denis was just trying to put on a *beep* it all" kind of act. Also Bill wasn't just about saying "aw, *beep* it!", he really believed in what he preached about raising people's awareness.

So why is Denis Leary a successful, popular comic? Because there's No Cure For Cancer!

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Well seeing both acts has me confused...when was bill hicks actually considered funny? Yes the acts are similar, no they're not the same. Bill Hicks is whiny and preachy, and Dennis Leary is angry. Stealing an entire act and style would mean there are similar antics.

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"Bill Hicks is whiny and preachy, and Dennis Leary is angry."

Your saying Bill Hicks wasn't angry?!

*beep* THAT! I WANT MY ROCK STARS DEAD!!! I WANT THEM TO *beep* PLAY WITH ONE HAND AND PUT A GUN TO THEIR HEAD WITH THE *beep* OTHER ONE, AND I WANT THEM TO GO 'HOPE YOU INJOYED THE SHOW!'" *BANG* "YES! YES! PLAY FROM YOUR *beep* HEARRRRRT!!!"

"Hitler had the right idea! He was just an underachiever! Kill them all Adolf, all of them! Jew, Mexican, American, white, kill them all, the experiment failed!"

"... you *beep* redneck, hillbilly piece of *beep* you. *beep* America if thats America and *beep* you too!"

To the crowd : "Okay, shut up. Shut the *beep* up! *beep* morons! You *beep* morons!"

"I am available for children's parties by the way."

Hell, did you listen to Bill Hicks?

By your logic, Hicks would still be better because he had more anger then Leary.

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You can be both whiny and angry. Hicks sure was.

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I haven't seen this show, but this is in the memorable quotes section:

Denis Leary: Heavy Metal fans are buying Heavy Metal records, taking the records home, listening to the records and then blowing their heads off with shotguns? Where's the problem? That's an unemployment solution right there, folks! It's called natural selection.

On a Hicks show I downloaded (I can't remember which one, I downloaded a bunch), Hicks makes that EXACT joke, virtually word-for-word (except he says Judas Priest rather than Heavy Metal). I don't want to spark a flame war, I just want to know what the "Leary-never-ripped-him-off" side of the debate has to say in defence of that (I might not even been in the actual Leary show, I haven't seen it, just read the quotes).

EDIT: It's quoted slightly differently in another part of the memorable quotes section.

Denis Leary: Explain it to me. Heavy metal bands on trial because kids commit suicide, what is that about? Judas Priest on trial because my kid bought the records, and he listened to the lyrics, and he go into Satan... ALLALALALALALLALA! Well that's great. That sets a legal precedent. Does that mean I can sue Dan Fogelberg for making me into a pussy in the mid '70s, is that possible, HUH?

I'm pretty sure Hicks made that pussy remark too.

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I got it by searching for Bill Hicks on Limewire (www.limewire.com)

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That's because there isn't one. Limewire is a media downloads program. You have to download Limewire from the site & from there you use the program to search & download.
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"" I haven't seen this show, but this is in the memorable quotes section:

Denis Leary: Heavy Metal fans are buying Heavy Metal records, taking the records home, listening to the records and then blowing their heads off with shotguns? Where's the problem? That's an unemployment solution right there, folks! It's called natural selection.

EDIT: It's quoted slightly differently in another part of the memorable quotes section.

Denis Leary: Explain it to me. Heavy metal bands on trial because kids commit suicide, what is that about? Judas Priest on trial because my kid bought the records, and he listened to the lyrics, and he go into Satan... ALLALALALALALLALA! Well that's great. That sets a legal precedent. Does that mean I can sue Dan Fogelberg for making me into a pussy in the mid '70s, is that possible, HUH? ""

Actually, the first Leary quote (the one in the memorable quotes section), is precise. The other one you gave in the 'EDIT' part of your post, is something else he said while on the same subject/rant. Both quotes are from No Cure For Cancer. If the first one is exactly something Hicks has said before this show (I've yet to download any of Hicks' material), then the first quote would thereby be a stolen one.
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The fact of the matter is that LimeWire does have a clip, credited to Bill Hicks, where he says some of the exact lines Denis used in "No Cure For Cancer." The reason for this, however, is LimeWire users are notorious for crediting tracks to the wrong artists. You can find Poison's "Every Rose Has It's Thorn" listed as Guns 'N' Roses. Some IDIOT pulled the material from the "No Cure For Cancer" CD, put it on LimeWire, and credited it to Bill Hicks. I'm not certain, but I think the clip referred to can be found by searching for "Bill Hicks - Heavy Metal.MP3" on LimeWire. It's the EXACT audio from "No Cure For Cancer," complete with Denis Leary's voice.

"I haven't seen this show" Therein lies the problem. If you had seen it, you'd know that the clip you have is ACTUALLY Denis Leary, even though it's credited to Bill Hicks.

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We're not talking about that clip, we're talking about the bit Bill Hicks actually did opn one of his albums.

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The clip you guys are talking about is from "Relentless", around the last 20 minutes.

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You don't happen to have the exact text from this, do you? It seems like there wouldn't be much question about whether it was plagiarized or not if it was verbatim or almost verbatim.

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I just listened to the last 20 minutes of the Bill Hicks album relentless, looking specifically for this so called stolen material. It happens around the 48 minute mark, I downloaded this especially to end this argument. I will do you all a big favor and type what he says exactly:

Bill Hicks= "You know the story about the two kids that were big fans of the band Judas Priest, and they committed suicide, and the parents of these two kids sued the band?!...Judas Priest. O.K., first of all, two kids, big fans of Judas Priest commit suicide...Wow, Two less gas station attendants in the world. What? I don't mean to sound cruel here but I dont think we lost a cancer cure here. Look, there's going to be no delays in the shuttle launch because of this you understand? They weren't that intricate...Bill you sound so cruel, F uck them they were idiots! Get it? O.K...."Etc.

Now Denis Learys Joke:
Denis Leary= "Heavy Metal fans are buying Heavy Metal records, taking the records home, listening to the records and then blowing their heads off with shotguns? Where's the problem? That's an unemployment solution right there, folks! It's called natural selection."

Same subject, different joke, different direction. I think that you will find that about most of the "comparisons" made about the two! If anybody can find any other evidence of stolen material, feel free and write it down and I will give you my opinion on it. Just for the record I am a big fan of both Denis Leary and Bill Hicks.

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^How can you say those are different jokes? They even have the same "direction."

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They are two different jokes. Just mentioning the same subject. If you listen even further to bill hicks material the jokes actually goes on to be about Judas Priest for another 2 minutes at least.

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Hicks also did his bit about Jim Fixx that Leary also later used. Again very very similar. I think they're both funny in there own ways. Obviously Leary has done other stuff since then but there is a lot of things in No Cure For Cancer that are very similar to Hicks material. Some of it might not be word for exact word, but Hick's influence is certainly there. The 2 did know each other and they're friendship dissolved after No Cure For Cancer was released. Bill didn't care about money or fame and it's not because of Leary suddenly being popular. Bill was upset because a friend had taken his ideas and bits he had worked on for years and ran with them. While Leary had a different persona and may have changed a few words, the No Cure For Cancer show was very much derived from Hick's material. Anyone who says they own both of their collections of videos and cd's and says there's no similarities is full of crap! There are a few jokes that "almost" word for word. Again though...they are both very funny and I like both.

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They are the same, they both say that if heavy metal music makes metal heads that listen to them comment suicide, whats the problem?

"That's an unemployment solution right there, folks!"

"Wow... two less gas station attendants in the world."

Its the same subject, setup, and they both have similar punch-lines. So its not just that same subject.

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Kinda ironic that Hicks died of cancer...I never heard of him before reading this though...



You have no idea what you are talking about...do you?

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Boy are you PR for Leary or what? Talk about spin. Leary was doing bits about smoking "as early as the 1980s"? So that's spinspeak for 1989 then yeah? Curiously that's the same year Sane Man was made available for the first time, though Hicks had been touring with that material for sometime previously. In reality Leary's All Music Guide biography states that he only started writing No Cure for Cancer in 1990 after the birth of his child in the UK. That's a year after Sane Man was released and in a country where Leary would be very aware of a large underground following for Bill Hicks. Dangerous was released around the time Leary first started writing what eventually became NCFC. Clearly the Iraq war stuff would only have been added by both Leary and Hicks in 1991 at the earliest yet Hicks released Relentless in 1992 and it's those 3 albums which contain the majority of the material for NCFC. Of course watered down with the balls removed.

Tom_Myers, nothing personal against you but you need to get your dates and your facts straight. You were right though, Dennis Leary did not emerge until the early 1990s. 1993 in fact. His angry man act only surfaced in the 1990s. Hicks had been doing the Angry man act for the best part of a decade by then.

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I noticed a few bits very similar.

Complaining about John Lennon being shot and not other people was in Hicks' routine. Leary said it should have been Ono, Hicks said Manilo (although Hicks had some other complaints about Barry Manilo).

The Judas Priest fans killing themselves came up, both of them made a joke about how it was good although the execution was different.

Jim Fixx's sudden death came up in both. Both fallaciously used it as evidence that eating properly and getting exercise is a waste of time.

Both of them had some jokes about how great smoking is, although the jokes were different.

I think Hicks was kind of annoyed that Leary copied his "angry guy who is going to tell you some 'real' stuff" act too.

Personally I don't think it's that big a deal. Even Hicks stole extensively from Hicks. I've seen all his stand up specials and listened to almost all of the albums and there were plenty of bits that I've heard again and again. If Hicks hadn't died young he seems like the kind of guy who would have just faded away.

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