Does he die?


At the end of the movie, it's kinda ambiguous, and i think its supposed to be... but still, what do you people think?
was the woman who threw the switch supposed to, in order to start the process? or whats going on here?

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I don't think it's a movie worth that much consideration.

It's completely open-ended and unexplained all the way
through. Viewers shouldn't have to wonder if a main
character dies, or why the lead female puts a leather dress
on with crazy straps. Who cares?

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Some viewers like to wonder. Some viewers like it when a movie doesn't spoon feed you everything all the way. Some viewers can see when there is a more than just the literal meaning to the contents of a film and appreciate when that subtext gives them something to think about.

In this case, its about what we view as "monsterous". Firey breathing lizardy guy with horns or nerve gas bombers in subways? Its about losing our innocence (the belief in "fairy tale" monsters") due to the overabundance of real monsters. Its about believing that there is still plenty out there in the world we haven't learned.

So does the monster die? Depends on what kind of person you are.

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I agree. Although only seeing this movie for the first time today and missing the first few minutes, I believe it all depends on how the viewer imagines it or pictures it if you will. After all, doesn't the doctor say that they are killing a figment of their imaginations. So therefore, if you believe the monster dies then the monster dies, but if you believe he lives, then that is also a believable scenario.

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Right, but the intentional open-endedness doesn't preclude suckiness.

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...the previous poster who said "A viewer shouldn't have to wonder..." is one lazy and conflicted soul...
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Think of the word WONDERFUL...
A Sense of Wonder...
This is a good thing.
(and a good Van Morrison record)
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God's angels were so fierce they made people crap in their pants, but now they're only allowed into our homes as babies-with-fluffy-wings...
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If anyone thinks this movie sucks but other artsy movies are great, I'd like to know what those movies are.

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Excellent job of addressing laziness in film viewers while channeling the great Van Morrison! I appreciate films that don't explain it all to me and respect my imagination enough to let me draw my own conclusions.

That's said, I'm not sure how to interpret the final scene. Does the monster "become" Beatrice? Is she the last face he sees before leaving this mortal coil? Could he have finally become humam and provided the perfect partner for Beatrice? I can't really explain, but it seemed like a profound rite of passage for him. I guess I'm just a soul in wonder, trying to decipher the inarticulate speech of the heart.

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i think this is the answer i would mostly likely believe. i am not sure why rabble-rousers who don't seem to actually like movies post of boards for movies they don't like.

personally... it is not about "dying" to me. it is about existing, which i know is a subtle difference (but an important one). i think that when they convince him he is a figment of human imagination, he simply no longer exists. but i agree that since the entire concept of the monster is based on our believing in him, then in that person's imagination, he could very well continue to exist.

wonderful when films make you think like this.

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Some viewers like to wonder. Some viewers like it when a movie doesn't spoon feed you everything all the way. Some viewers can see when there is a more than just the literal meaning to the contents of a film and appreciate when that subtext gives them something to think about.


Gosh golly gee whiz, thanks filmmakers! Without you, I never would have knowded them thar highfalutin ideas about the world.

I am extremely tired of the holier-than-thou, snobby crap that so many people post here at the IMDb. If you were so smart, you wouldn't need a movie to make you think. The day I need a movie to make me think will be the day I put a gun in my mouth and kiss the world goodbye.



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The point is that a movie can make you think of things you might not ordinarily have thought of. Or shows you something from a perspective you might not have otherwise seen.

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by - Random Terrain

If you were so smart, you wouldn't need a movie to make you think. The day I need a movie to make me think will be the day I put a gun in my mouth and kiss the world goodbye.


You're confusing "need" with "want". We don't "need" movies to make us think. We "want" movies to make us think (sometimes anyway). Smart people "want" to think. It's how we get smarter.




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...the question is, "Did she live?"

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As I wrote in another post we see Beatrice (at the end) through the eyes of the monster. He is gradually having life sucked out of him, and while he stares at Beatrice the screen goes black and sound ends -he dies.

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From my watching of this film probably too many times,
I don't think it's so much that he dies, it's that he
no longer exists. And did he ever exist at all? His
"death" is similar to what happened to Beatrice during
her operation when she could no longer stand the pain.
Did she black out, did she die, did she no longer exist?
I thought the way the actor portrayed the monster was
just great, he's also in "Rescue Me", took me awhile
to make the association, he's so well done. The director
certainly had some different idea's of what is physical
reality, where it starts and ends, and you can pick up
on a theme of infinity right from the opening credits.
Of course, I'm most likely just full of BS, but then,
does my BS really exist?..

$.002

d.

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i completely agree with everything you've just said.

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Apparently he existed from the beginning of time. Did he exist? If so who was he really? Get the point? If he "dies", does he really die? I don't know. It was an enjoyable film with lots to think about on different levels. However, if one is just looking for a film to enjoy and not ponder for ages, I'd rather have watched another film that has a beginning, middle, and end. Maybe I was just having a bad day. Philosophical films tick me off sometimes.

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THANK YOU!!

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Spoiler Alert - You're a *beep* moron!

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Death is not an option for it (Gender is not established). The military scientist says it is not made of any known "stuff", in other words, it is not of this universe.
Now go to the part just before it is to be eradicated and hear the three scientists explain the machine functioability: they hope it will, on paper it should and they had to jury rig a few things. What are they talking about? A matter disintegrator! Jury/jerry-rigged? Consider the monster's situation if it imagined us into existence. And we wouldn't go away but kept pestering it. It would ask out of the mess. It does by repeatedly asking for its death. If you can accept that the reality is that of the monster's, the ending makes more sense.
A matter disintegrator could easily dis-exist all this universe. All that would remain would be that of some other universe, it. I think Beatrice realizes this at the last moment and that is why she stands in front of it at the finish. So it will be reminded of what it was it had created. That some beauty and love existed in that universe for it. We ceased to exist. It lives and hopefully will, through the intercession of the miracle girl, beatrice, bring us back into existence.

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ahh, man was this movie and some of its defenders trying way too hard here to sound all deep and artsy. The monster is really ourselves and it's a representation of bad people, what Fing ever. I thought this movie would have a ultimate point and be good but freaking Spider-Man was more meaningful than this.

And 3/4 of Americas top critics agree.
http://beta.rottentomatoes.com/m/no_such_thing/?critic=creamcrop

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Moesislak, you clearly SHOULD stick to watching comic book movies.

For the adults:

I like the idea, mentioned by others, that the monster was Beatrice's fear, and that "they were both on the operating table" at the end. That explains a lot, and pulls everything together.
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There is one more possibility, or possibly ancillary metaphor, to consider. It's a bit of a stretch, but worth considering:

Note that the monster's name was "Will." I doubt that's a coincidence.
Before her accident, Beatrice was very meek. She lacked a strong will. After her operation, she clearly was a stronger person in many ways. (Yes, strong like the monster, blah blah blah) and you could say that the people in charge don't like people with strong wills. they are dangerous to the status quo.

OK, take it from there & fill-in the blanks....

You might even go as far as to say the monster represented "Free Will." - As he lived his life doing absolutely whatever he pleased. - Until he met Beatrice & was thrown into society bound by her rules.

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That's enough for now. Gotta' go. There's a Will Ferrel movie coming on in 2 minutes!

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It is sad that you made it to the end to even ask this question...

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Yes, I believe that was the purpose of getting that scientist's notes. He figured out the only way that he could be killed. He was tired of being "immortal" when there was not much to live for.













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