Didn't understand the card thingie on the train...
No doubt due to cultural differences. The kid hands out cards and gets money or the cards back? Is that what was going on? Someone will know!
Marianne
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To go off the previous post, the car and the money on either knee represents the instinct of greed. The boy takes the money rather than the toy car.
shareit has nothing to do with greed, they put a card on their knee and if they dont want it they just leave it there for the kid to pick up again, but juan put money and a car so the kid thought about it and really wanted a toy, but of course, money is tight so he had to accept the money and juan wanted the kid to know he deserved the toy car for his actions...well...i was just saying...
shareI´m Argentinian and the card thingie on the train is quite common to see not only in trains but in every other means of transport. Unfortunately, these kids(I´ve seen even 3 year olds selling these cards or begging in the streets of Buenos Aires at 3 a.m.) are usually sent by lazy and abusive parents or street mafias . It´s a real shame, but hell, that´s what Argentina is mostly about these days....half our population is below the line of poverty, not to mention the high level of criminal and insecurity rate, clearly portrayed in "nueve reinas".
Well... I'm Argentinian too, and you're making our country sound like it's hell... This is a beautiful country, and although what the movie represents is true, I would rather live here, than in any other country with less poverty, but more...let's say...bushes...
share>I would rather live here, than in any other country with less poverty, but
> more...let's say...bushes..
Ditto!
EXACTLY!!. If you think ARgentina it's such a hell, which is not true. You have to travel to other places like Colombia, Mexico, and even some places of Europe like Ukraine (AT least 7 years ago). Or visit Africa THAT is a hell.
Man you really don't know what you are talking about, and half of the population is not below the poverty line chek the numbers somthing i'm not going to do for you.
People live good in Argentina but people tend to argue about everything all the time. Iguess it's a cultural thing.
ehm! Colombia is not hell :S You just haven't come yet. It's just that like that person that talked in a bad way about your country, many people have talked about my country and showed the wrong face of it. This country is charming.
sharejajajaja
Decir que México es un país violento es como decir que los colombianos son narcos o que los europeos son civilizados!!!
En todas partes del mundo hay zonas marginadas, desgraciadamente en algunos países es mas marcado, o mejor dicho, en algunas zonas de los países, porque Rosario no tiene nada que ver con Buenos Aires, lo mismo Bogotá con Cali o la Ciudad de Mexico con Monterrey!!!
I don't know why you feel compelled to put down the US in order to defend your country.
Is Argentina so bad that the only way to defend it is to put down the US?
Incidentally, I just returned from a trip to Buenos aires where I was visting my aunt. BA is a beautiful city, but there is still a lot o poverty in Argentina. Plus I don't hink that Argentina has fully recovered from all of its previous problems.
And the card thingie in the train? They have something similar here in the US. In big cities some handicapped people, mostly deaf, pass out cards with the hand symbols from the ASL (American Sign Language). If you keep the card you have to give them some money.
Que piva, che?
what the heck, everyone. you guys are comparing your own countries to other ones, insulting those who live there and involving more and more people... from the start, you should've just said: "Argentina is awesome. it has its good and bad points, but it's still awesome, and there is no other place i would be." instead of talking about africa and such.
"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return."
I have heard Pimpinela are doing their bit for these street children. They support more than 20 of them. Right? If you also did that instead of criticizing Argentina, you will do some good to people and the country.
And don't forget you have Maradona, the Tango and a great football team. Do you really think Argentina is so bad?
Oh please, you are overreacting! You're vision of Argentina is too exaggerated. I'm Argentinean too and the level of insecurity and criminal acts is just like anywhere else that is NOT in war. You can walk freely down the streets at almost any time, of course I don't mean to sound naive, I'm not saying walk through dark lonely streets at 4 AM (if you do so, no matter in which country you are, you won't be safe) nor open your purse in a crowed bus. One has to be careful, but just as careful as you would be anywhere else.
And yes, the level of poverty has grown a lot in the past decade, yet it's not as terrible as in other countries (such as Peru, Bolivia and Paraguay) where the middle class is almost non-existing, a small percentage controls everything and most are either poor or indigents.
~Dream
Ex-squeeze me? Baking powder? I once thought I'd mono for a year. It turned out I was bored
It did! That was an excellent discussion of the scene and makes me appreciate it more, thank-you.
Marianne
That scene was added to make a social statement.
That kid in the subway is handing out religious stamps in exchange for charity (money). The meaning of that scene is that because of the economical situation Argentina was going through and the social differences between its population a kid who is supposed to go to school and play (that's why the toy car was there) is, instead, working or begging for money.
That's why Juan lays the car on one side and the $10 on the other and lets the kid to choose whether to be a kid (the car) or bring money (to either his family or one of those *beep* that rent kids and force them to bring them certain amount of money at the end of the day so that he doesn't beat them up, which is the most common situation).
The kid is tempted to remain as a kid and grab the car, but the money is more needed so he grabs the $10. Juan then gives the car to him in a subtle intent to bring back hope and wake up the Argentinean audience into "where the world is going" and "how society has failed to include everyone as equals".
~ Dream
That's not South-American peculiarity. The same method is used in Eastern Europe.
Interestingly, however, it is only conducted by the deaf and dumb in our region.
They put small things on restaurant tables plus a card saying I am deaf and dumb etc. If you don't buy it they collect the things in a few minutes.
Here in Argentina they do the same (the cards and the restaurant thing), but not only the deaf and dumb do it. People with AIDS, recovering drug users, unemployed, those who claim has 9 kids or 35 pets to feed. Both adults and kids do it. Kids usually claim they are orphans or that their parents are really sick. Sometimes they claim nothing, they say nothing, they just give you a religious stamp in exchange for a coin.
~Dream
Ex-squeeze me? Baking powder? I once thought I'd mono for a year. It turned out I was bored
EXACTLY!!. If you think ARgentina it's such a hell, which is not true. You have to travel to other places like Colombia, Mexico, and even some places of Europe like Ukraine (AT least 7 years ago). Or visit Africa THAT is a hell.
Man you really don't know what you are talking about, and half of the population is not below the poverty line chek the numbers somthing i'm not going to do for you.
People live good in Argentina but people tend to argue about everything all the time. I guess it's a cultural thing.
One of the negative characteristics of Argentinean people is not only to argue, which I find it very healthy and good for your brain system, is the awful, always present habit of not knowing how to argue. Every single speaker believes that the only truth is the one that he or she beholds. There has been a tendency for hundred of years, ever since God created these incorregible creatures in such a blessed country, to take every single, simple, minor or mayor topic to its extreme. Extremists is one of the labels that apply to the definitionof what makes an Argentinean character. Are we learning? Hard to say. Unfortunately this is one of the problems that affects our political system.
As you very well state, it seems to be a cultural trait. Unfortunately, everybody seems to know about everything, which is so far from reality. Maybe that is why Argenineans are regarded as opinionated, arrogant people. After having lived in eight different countries I have received, as a compliment, the sincere confessions of goodhearted friends : "now that I know you better, I have to tell you that you don't seem Argentinean..." Do I need to explain more?
But of course, it is great country..."compared to"...Why do we have to compare? Does this make you feel better with respect to others?. That is a poor consolation. Why don't we try to imitate and behave like the civilized countries do? There are so many simple, civilian habits to learn, or better said, to go back to. Because, there was a time when things were better. Believe me, this is not the nostalgic tanguero tune, it's not a cliche in Argentina...aquello de "todo tiempo pasado fue mejor"... si ,el pais estuvo a la cabeza del mundo. Whatever happened to education? Isn't it time to go back to the basic education, pillar of a civilized society?
Lo que dijo shoresus2001 medio que es la verdadera verdad... jejeje
shareShoresus have been very precise with his comments and I am glad that filmakers like this one have the b...s to expose misery as a part of our lifes. Some people prefer just to ignore these topics, some others (smart ones) prefer to learn from them. This is the kind of movie that shake your mind and conscience.
shareThis is a prejudice: "Every single speaker believes that the only truth is the one that he or she beholds".
I beg to differ.
Maybe Shoresus is prejudiced because he/she doesn't know too many Argentines. Or perhaps it was just a rash statement.
It wouldn't harm you to be better informed before passing that kind of judgment. I am also an Argentine, I have lived abroad in two different countries and I live in Argentina now, and I have learned that is it is impossible to define any people or nationality in absolute terms.
Just my two cents.
Who dont know what r talking about is you, really!!!
You must be an urban middle-high economic class and think the poverty isn't in Argentina only because you never see the people cleaning the windows cars, or selling flowers at the streets, maybe your vacations always are in Punta del Este with casinos and stores visits, places where you never gonna see the povertry!!!
Go to Morocco, South Africa, Egypt, Madagascar...there are poverty, but is even a hell!!
Alguien sabe si el chico era Walter Olmos? (el cantante de cuarteto). Se me hizo muy parecido, casi identico pero no figura en los creditos. Esta pelicula es un tiempito antes de que se hiciera famoso.
shareoh yes, believe me, they do it in many parts of Eastern europe, Romanian boys usually play music in the streets and they write papers where they said their parents have not job and they have four sibling ot feed.
I have seen that in many parts of the Americas too.
It wasn't common in Argentina till some years ago with the crisis that suffer (comparable in the Us to the crisis of 1929). People was very sad when these kids begin to ask for money.
well, i know because i was born there! lol... what happens is that sometimes kids go around on trains or other public transports, and distribute cards..... these are obviously not that valuable but the point is to kind of donate some money since they are probably poor and they are helping their family..... so u can keep the card as a thank you from the kid if you give him something
hope this helps...
The boy was selling the stamps... and Juan let him choose between the money or the little car and he took the money. He eventually gave him the car as well.
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