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Sexuality and Jewishness

posted 17 years ago by JaneSchmo
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Could someone please explain to me that crap about sexuality and Jewishness that Danny spews?

As far as I understand it, what he's saying is that Jewish men are better lovers but not because they are macho but because they are girly and therefore way too much in tune with women. And that they place way too much emphasis on oral sex because they can't please themselves and their women through vaginal sex.

What is that all about? To start with, are Jewish men really any better lovers than non-Jews? I've heard that expressed before, in Jewish jokes and so on, but every ethnic group brags about their alleged superior sexual prowess in their naughty jokes so I never gave it any credence before.

Africans, African-Americans, the French, Poles, Russians, Irishmen, heck, the Chinese all same the same thing about themselves.

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[–] JaneSchmo 17 years ago

Not me. I was very touched and moved by the movie and appreciated it on about 10 different levels.

It's just that the sexuality stuff really confused me. I've heard most of those stereotypes about Jews before but that one was a new one. What's the deal with it?

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[–] JaneSchmo 17 years ago

No- some do but many don't but what I'm interested in is where this idea comes from.

[–] imalittlenuttso 17 years ago

BECAUSE THE AIR IS FREE..........

[–] theThief 17 years ago

I'm interested in this too...why won't anyone give a genuine answer?

[–] mythical-1 17 years ago

It sounded like Danny was saying that Jews try to destroy society and it's values by changing it implying that most Jews are leftists/liberals that defend homosexuality, illegal immigration, gun control laws, etc. As a result, this causes anti-semitism because there are those who do not want a change in society. Danny was basically angry because he symbolized the Jews as weak people who manipulate and destroy society. My guess is he was blaming the Jews for the perversions in sexuality by claiming the Jews demoralized reproduction by turning it into a perverted act.

Don't assume I'm anti-semitic, I am Jewish myself and there is a trend on Jews to vote democrat moreso than republican. I don't think the sexuality thing was the best way to "compare" values.

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[–] kylopod 17 years ago

First of all, I saw the film several times, and not once do I remember anyone suggesting that Jews are superior lovers.

Danny's rant about sexuality was in many ways his most bizarre claim. But it tied into his whole thesis about Jewish passivity, which he saw at the level of politics (his statement that Israelis aren't Jews), religion (submission to God's will), history (perceived lack of resistance to oppressors), and science (the theories of Marx, Freud, and Einstein). It was a trait he simultaneously admired and despised.

It's also interesting that his own relationship with his girlfriend is fetishistic, suggesting that he's projecting his own insecurities about sex onto the world.

[–] JaneSchmo 17 years ago

When he's in Queens coffee shop with the reporter who's presumably a Jew himself and he goes on about oral sex being a perversion and Jews loving to give it. And then the reporter turns his own words onto him and says "so the Jew is a better lover, so what?"

And asks the reporter if he's ever been with a Jewish woman and when he admits he has, he says "You see the difference, don't you?".

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[–] Monigan 16 years ago

"First of all, I saw the film several times, and not once do I remember anyone suggesting that Jews are superior lovers."

In a later speech to a group of facists, Danny also asks "why we hate Jews": "Is it because they have better sex lives, or because they have higher IQs?"

(Honestly, it's a mystery to me how anyone could consider this movie anti-Semitic!? It's the most pro-Semitic movie ever made!)

[–] metz270 16 years ago

Monigan,

The insinuation in that last quote isn't that the Jews are better lovers, but that it has been shown that Jews are more sexually active. Same with the high IQs comment.

I personally have never heard any stereotype about Jews being better lovers. Honestly, what would one's race have to do with how well they screw? It all comes down to the individual.

[–] sakraf17 16 years ago

"Honestly, what would one's race have to do with how well they screw? It all comes down to the individual. "
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i totally agree with you. things of that nature are totally different in each and every single individual.

[–] morrisdirections 15 years ago

I think the same. It couldn't be more pro-semitic. But let's leave it that way... If we say something about it or if we express an opinion about this issue, we would be exposing ourselves to some accusation of discrimination.

[–] gbeneker 15 years ago

To say this movie is pro-Semitic is rather an audacious statement really. Danny decides to kill himself because he realizes that he has become more in tune with his Jewish roots and he can't control himself. If this was a pro-Semitic movie wouldn't Danny throw away his neo-nazi views and go live a normal life? Take American History X for instance. That movie depicts Edward Norton's character discovering the fallacy in his views because his own kind were dealing drugs with the other races in prison. Then he decides to cut himself off from all the neo-nazi views and the people involved with it. You could say that is a more pro-Semitic movie.

However, in the Believer, Danny is disgusted with himself once his Jewish roots were discovered. He could never fully commit to his neo-nazi views nor could he just commit to being a regular Jew. He was in limbo with hating his people but also loving them. He killed himself because he could not deal with the fact that he was something he hated.

To answer the original poster's question about whether or not Jewish men are better lovers, Danny states that they are perverted and they always partake in sexual perversions. What he means by have you ever been with a Jewish woman is that Jewish women are more apt to give oral sex than any other race of woman. And this is because the Jewish man is perverted and wants to do things taboo. In both the Christianity and Judaism oral sex is a sin and yet who wants to do it more? Jews.

He isn't insinuating that he thinks they are "better" lovers. He is just stating that they partake in more sexual perversions which makes them seem like more "fun" in the bedroom which is why people would say that Jewish men are better lovers.

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[–] Jooba 16 years ago

Lol Poles eh?

Well, Polish women are beautiful (of course) :) I don't know about the men's sexual powers..

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[–] kennellygerard 10 years ago

google woody allen trains dylan

[–] BrandiStarBright 10 years ago

Im dating a Jewish man and hes very loving . To say hes more sexual bc hes Jewish though? Im not sure? Men in general love sex. But out of all the men Ive dated, he's the most loving and caring.