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The original Rollerball


I hope this bad movie doesn't discourage you to see the original Rollerball with James Caan and John Houseman. It was great.

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lol. I just saw Rollerball 2002, and immediately I had to watch the original to restore my faith.

Well, I think Rollerball 2002 was sorta like a cartoon version of the Mona Lisa. Y'know? Or maybe like a heavy metal version of Beethoven's 5th Symphony. So with that in mind--knowing not to expect the same art & poetry as the original--I actually had a good time watching R2002. Except the damn camerawork in the arena was like Blair Witch on skates. Oh my head.

But yeah, kiddies, go find a copy of the original and watch it. Now. It's truly magnificent, philosophical & rousing. The babes are hotter, too.

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yha, whenever I think of the original Rollerball I instantly think of other great pieces of art such as the Mona Lisa or Beethoven's 5th Symphony.

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OK, maybe it's not the Mona Lisa or Beethoven's 5th, of by association A Clockwork Orange (yes I know it's the 9th, but still there's an association). However I did see a parallel between the original Rollerball and 2001: A Space Odyssey. The world as portrait in Rollerball to me seemed like the kind of world from which Captains Dave Bowman and Frank Poole set off. And though not in the same league it is a great movie, albeit a bit slow by today's standards. Which would account the reason for the desire to do remake. It seems as though most people in Hollywood these days prefer to make some quick money on the sentiments and nostalgia attached to the cult -TV series, -comic books and -films of their youth (which for many filmmakers of today is based in the 70's) rather than to come up with their own original idea, or even an original approach to a subject (such as Tim Burton's visions for Batman and The Planet of the Apes). I have nothing against remakes, but I do feel they have to add something to the original, if not... don't, spent your money on a good DVD release of the original!

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Good to see there are some fans of the original who truly saw the philosophy & poetry behind it! Most people (who haven't seen it) roll their eyes when I talk about Rollerball. I guess the title conjures up images of lousy B-movies. Oh well, their loss.

I also agree with your stance on remakes. I thought Nosferatu (1979) and Manchurian Candidate (2004) were great (I even liked the Solaris remake). But that's because they expanded on the themes of the originals, even to the point of making the movies slower & longer.

On the other hand, like you said, Rollerball 2002 was like a condensation of the classic. Like the MTV version, sped up and all simplified. You're right, that rings of a Hollywood-cash-in scheme. It all blew past me so fast I can't even remember if they included the great references to "the corporate wars" or that great satirical visit to the global library (where they lost the entire 11th century!).

Also, the whole point of the original Rollerbal was that society had reached a state of utopia by hiding the dirty underbelly of human nature. The remake? Naaaah, they just dumped that theme. Instead they went with the stereotypical vision of the future as a dirty back alley in New York City. I guess they went for the cheap gimmick.

But like I said in my 1st post, if you accept this remake as a "joke version" (a cartoon or a comic strip) then you won't expect all the poetry of the original, and you can just sit back and be dazzled by all the big explosions & stuff.

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It WAS a good movie. Really had a lot to say back then about what we are becoming now.

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This remake never had a chance, because there's too many idiots out there that make their mind up about a remake before they even see it. Sad really.


When the *beep* did we get ice-cream?

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This remake never had a chance, because there's too many idiots out there that make their mind up about a remake before they even see it. Sad really.



Let's look at the evidence...


Italian Job
Get Carter
Alfie (what's wrong with Michael Caine, then?)
the Ring
Dark Water
the Grudge (although the original was pretty poor, too)
The Wicker Man
Texas Chainsaw Massacre
The Haunting
13 Ghosts (another mediocre original, though)
The Fog (and to implicate John Carpenter as well, his remake of the "Village of the Damned" or 'Midwich Cuckoos' was fairly pointless)


"Dawn of the Dead" and "Zatoichi" i feel add something to add to the originals; and "Ocean's Eleven" and "the Ladykillers" are pretty good versions of very good films (although the question still remains, why try to fix what ain't broke?)

we'll have to see what they do with the mass of them that are in production at the moment (or not as the case may be), but out of them, i think "Night of the Living Dead" might be worthwhile, purely 'cos it's the Raimster directing. Why tinker with "the Birds" or "the 39 Steps", though... and do we really need another version of "the Fly"?


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"Dawn of the Dead" ? No, sorry but fast zombies are just wrong.

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Sorry, but I have seen it, it sucks plain and simple.

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I like that one with Caan much better. Caan is perfect actor.

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Count me in too. Best part v. Tokyo. Sometimes you can't mess with the originals and this one was a classic.

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I haven't seen this version, but I didn't think that the original was that great, maybe a 5 or 6 out of ten. I wanna see this though just to see how bad it is.

"Apology accepted, Captain Needa." -Darth Vader

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I wanna see this though just to see how bad it is.
It's an abomination. Simple as that.

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... and that's putting it mildly.

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The great fear of remakes is that it will both be terrible and replace the original in the minds of the general public. Fortunately I don't think this ever actually happens. If the movie is as terrible as this it largely gets forgotten and buried and usually the only people that know about it at all are those that also know about the original (and likely are still angry about the remake on some level). Basically the only reason this movie has any life in it at all is because fans of the original are still p*ssed off about it!

I've noticed this seems to happen with any poor remake, it doesn't have to be at Rollerball levels to end up like that. The real problem is the watchable but very average quality remakes, those are a threat to the original. So no problem in that regard for Rollerball because this remake has probably never been called watchable!

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The original is a masterpiece! "jonathon jonathan"

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I like the original Rollerball, and yes this remake was a hot mess, but the original wasn't that good. Like a lot of sci fi, it has some interesting ideas, some great visuals and sounds, and also plenty of flaws.

I'd still call it above average ... but "classic," "masterpiece" etc. is just an overstatement. Frankly the current IMDB rating of 6.6 is probably right on the money.




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