Kissing Scenes.....
Are there any from the 2 actors?
shareNope... not even close.
shareI just purchased and watched this movie today and thought it was a riveting and exceptional movie with remarkably strong performances by both of the leads. That said however, I found it really odd that considering the nature of the story, and its focus on intimacy, that the there is not even one scene of the two men kissing, or showing any sort of physical intimacy. The intimacy need not have been graphic, but the film could certainly have shown how the two men ended up together. The back story has these two attractive men going home together (so we are told, but that flashback is conveniently absent from the film), so they could have at least shown them kissing and being genuinely affectionate and romantic with each other.
I always find it odd when presumably straight (and in many cases, wonderfully talented actors) take gay roles and then never even so much as kiss one another or share an intimate scene with another guy in the film. Thank God Jake and Heath weren't afraid to bare their souls and take chances with "Brokeback Mountain" because personally I think the guts they showed, with how deeply they delved into their characters, was one of the things that made that film so strong. I personally find that there are an awful lot of Hollywood films (and television shows) with 'gay' characters where the actors never get close enough to another man to actually be convincing as gay. Gay men don't always have to be shown having explicit sex, anymore than straight characters need to be shown having explicit sex, but hey, lets see some holding hands, cuddling, kissing, etc. Afterall, that is real life -- gay or straight!
Hi bradley
This isn't about 'intimacy' but more on ethics and social responsibilities
A bit philosophical in addressing them
These two are not lovers and it was quite clear there as compared to BBM
You say you saw the film? When Dan attemps to kiss Tom he resists due to having other more important things on his fragile confused mind.
What is with you GAY boys. Just because a film has a gay story line you need to see guys kissing, which in the case of THE 24th DAY would have been ridiculous concidering the plot.
I happen to be gay and I am ashamed of what has become of our gay culture and creativity. I suspect that along with all our new found acceptance comes mediocrity. How sad.
I'm not even a guy and I fully expected them to kiss.
I think it's precisely right for the movie, when the tension there moves between attraction to a brutal game of power, to some sort of an affection, if you'd like to believe in it, but the movie's energy is powered up by the initial sexual tension. After all, if Tom wanted Dan to cme back with him to his apartment, there would have to be some!
Which begs the question, after he reveals himself to be the captor in this scenario, how attarcted is Tom to Dan still? I thought it's part of what kept the movie going, that feeling that you didn't know if Tom's gonna kill Dan or kiss him, with all the power play going into the kiss...
I thought there was physical contact and it was reallygood, but not enough.
At any rate, I still loved the movie.
I used to have a , but damnit do I want a !share
I'm a hetro girl and I was hoping to see a little more
action,great movie though!
If you want/need to see James Marsden do some serious kissing of another male,watch the film "Heights".
sharehahaha, I agree with you..you know James openly said that he appreciates and respect gays and many websites and movie reviews say both hot actors kissed but yes I agree with the ones that a kiss wasn't needed in a film like this one...I don't think we need softcore scenes or a kiss, a hug, a body touching to understand something can happen between two men, two women or straight couples...another example Paul Rudd plays a gay man in Jennifer Aniston's film "The object of my affection" and you never see him kissing men or having sex with them..you just see some hands holding together, two guys walking together...the kissing, touching, *beep* thing ain't needed to show two characters have somethin. Again The Heights suggestion is wonderful...why women insist on watching two attractive male actors kissing or touching their boddies? hahahaa
sharewhy women insist on watching two attractive male actors kissing or touching their boddies? hahahaa
Probably the same reason men like to see attractive women do the same thing
Eva *hearts* James Marsden!
Paul Rudd did kiss and roll around the sheets shirtless in underwear with some cute twink in the third act of the film =P.
FYC: Sam Rockwell (Moon)--Best Actor in a Leading Role.
The story as I recalled, starts "After" their union...they speak about it...so the anger was there, unless of course they showed a flashback. The producers said thatthe play was originally for a Hetrosexual affair, but changed it to a gay one...maybe to get a point across about promiscuity..as if hetro's don't know anything about promiscuity. At least with gay men, they are not breaking up a family. I cannot understand why Speedman has not become one of the top male stars of this generation...instead we get Ryan Gosling, Bradley Cooper and etc. He is a fine actor and ruggedly good looking, who reminds me of a young Gary Cooper. Personally, I think he was the only one who could have played "Enos' in "Brokeback Mountain", besides Heath Ledger.
shareZACH calm down there are lot's of gay men that share your veiws. Not all of us are sad. But you have to admit not a lot of our young gay culture have good gay role models.
share"I happen to be gay and I am shamed of what has become of our gay culture and creativity. I suspect that along with all our new found acceptance comes mediocrity. How sad."
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You say you're gay, but you can't criticize one bad movie without making it an indictment of "our gay culture and creativity"? I guess you don't realize that's the same kind of categoric homophobia we get from the real bigots out there. Personally, I have more faith in myself and our people than to be so discouraged by one silly movie. How sad for you.
"The value of an idea has nothing to do with the honesty of the man expressing it."--Oscar Wilde
AMEN! You said it perfectly. *applauds*
I used to have a , but damnit do I want a !share
the only thing they could have arguably done is have james marsden kiss him but have scott instantly pull back. i don't think kissing was a real part of this movie.
shareReally? I thought if Tom would have kissed Dan at some point, against everything he's supposedly doing, despite his taking "revenge" on the guy, even though he insists he's straight, etc. that could have added to the complexity of the movie and the parallel deconstruction of the two characters.
I used to have a , but damnit do I want a !share
"parallel deconstruction"
you're serious? Or kidding... cause I like your humor, it's subtle. "against everything... despite... even though... chances for credibility are decreasing with every proviso.
SPOILERS
Tom is straight, or as straight as the majority of guys in our culture, not admitting the truth that there is no STRAIGHT and no GAY... just humans somewhere along the middle.
He was no more interested in Dan at the time of this story as he was interested in Jeffrey Dahmer, cause to Tom, that's exactly what Dan was. Seeing no kiss (much less sex) was a let down, believe me; it's why I rented this one; but after seeing the film, any form of intimacy beyond the initial coyly played lure would have made Tom seem disingenuine. It's bad enough he was a raving lunatic.
"...not admitting the truth that there is no STRAIGHT and no GAY... just humans somewhere along the middle."
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Foucaultian nonsense. However they are or have been constructed in their society, there have always been men who prefer women and men who prefer men. Calling them "straight" and "gay" is as good an identification as any, and no less valid than any.
"The value of an idea has nothing to do with the honesty of the man expressing it."--Oscar Wilde
that's exactly what happened right before Speedman decided beer was a necessary thing in his life
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"I always find it odd when presumably straight (and in many cases, wonderfully talented actors) take gay roles and then never even so much as kiss one another or share an intimate scene with another guy in the film"
then you are an homosexual, incapable of looking at the whole issue from a normal person's point of view.
"then you are an homosexual, incapable of looking at the whole issue from a normal person's point of view."
What an incredibly bigoted, immature thing to say, as if the very fact that somone is a homosexual means that they aren't "normal"?
When "traditional" movie studios go out of their way to promote a movie as being "gay" in order to bring in a particular demographic market to view that movie, especially with young and appealing actors such as was used here, it's not un-normal or even particularly "homosexual" to expect that there is going to be some form of intimacy shown in the movie. When they don't, then in reality it's a form of false advertising that simply results in a negative backlash to the studio. People have a right to be irritated, or even a bit pissed off, when this happens.
While I have not seen this movie myself yet, as it is still in my Queue on Netflix, I, too, would have expected that a story this complex with such references to a one night stand would have included some sort of flashback or visual references to the night in question that led to the whole plot line of the movie.
So, instead of jumping to conclusions and showing your ignorance, maybe you ought to expand your mind a little bit. Then maybe you'll get a better idea of what REAL 'normal' peoples' points of view are.
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bob, if you have Netflix you can watch it online. I just saw it yesterday actually.
Currently Reading: Company of Swans by Eva Ibbotson
Eva *hearts* James Marsden!
Well said, Bob-1763. I have seen the film, it contains many cross-cuts and flashback scenes, there is no question that reasonable minds can question why not so much as a kiss was shown. Shame on halfmanhalfpc. His bigoted comment shows that he is neither. He pretends but like the equally bigoted Academy, he is transparent. In denying Brokeback Mountain their Best Picture prize, they defied 78 years of prior history, as no other film with a fraction of its pre-Oscar Best Picture, Director and other credentials had ever lost. It is appalling that people like Tony Curtis and Ernest Borgnine can, with impunity, say that they nor any of their friends would even watch the film because "John Wayne would roll over in his grave". Sorry for the digression, but comments like "normal" and "you gays" drive this, as intolerance in any form is unacceptable.
shareWhy are straight actors who take gay roles always described as "courageous"? Haven't there been many gay actors who have played straight roles in the past, and nothing "courageous" is EVER attributed to them.
Playing a role where the sexuality of the person is fluid is just another acting job. Try to simply appreciate the actors' chops, rather than whether they were "courageous" for taking such a role.
A homosexual man or woman is as 'normal' as a heterosexual, you effing troglodyte.
shareI haven't yet seen this movie but have it on order and am looking forward to viewing it.
As to..."lot of Hollywood films (and television shows) with 'gay' characters where e actors never get close enough to another man to actually be convincing as gay." You might want to check out the Showtime series Queer as Folk.
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"I always find it odd when presumably straight (and in many cases, wonderfully talented actors) take gay roles and then never even so much as kiss one another or share an intimate scene with another guy in the film. Thank God Jake and Heath weren't afraid to bare their souls and take chances with "Brokeback Mountain" because personally I think the guts they showed, with how deeply they delved into their characters, was one of the things that made that film so strong. I personally find that there are an awful lot of Hollywood films (and television shows) with 'gay' characters where the actors never get close enough to another man to actually be convincing as gay. Gay men don't always have to be shown having explicit sex, anymore than straight characters need to be shown having explicit sex, but hey, lets see some holding hands, cuddling, kissing, etc. Afterall, that is real life -- gay or straight!"
that's cause Jake is actually Gay is Scott isn't, simple as that..it's like in murder by numbers..similar senario to this movie..but same deal..no kiss..cause Ryan is straight...if they're striaght...they're not going to take on role where they kiss a guy..just like actor that don't like showing skin..or body parts..they're not going to do movies where they have to be naked or else they'll have a body double.
Anyway i didn't think it needed to have a kiss..that's not what this movie was about..it wasn't BBM...tom wasn't in love with dan..he was even really gay..it wasn't about him possibly falling in love with dan..while the whole ordeal was happening..it was about he really would have killed Dan had he not realised that wouldn't have changed anything..his wife was still gone..and letting him go had more justice than killing him..if he realy had any true feelings for dan..he wouldn't have been ready to kill him or want to punish him.
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There WAS an attempted kiss by Dan which Tom in his confused state of mind rejects.Did you people actually see the film?
shareI know the post is a bit dead, but I was thinking the same thing? If this were a love story, sure, as is the case with most love stories, regardless of sexual orientation.
As someone mentioned earlier, these two people are not lovers. The two clearly have intimacy within the movie, but it isn't physical. It can't be physical, Tom can't let it. You can tell Tom is clearly attracted to Dan still, and wants to believe him, but he can't let his guard down.
My favorite moment is when Tom breaks down crying and Dan holds him (eventhough he is just trying to get the key), but that just shows how badly Tom wants to be able to trust Dan, and that was powerful.
I feel that having kissing or a sex scene would have taken away from the movie, even if during a flashback. That would perhaps trick the viewer into thinking maybe the movie can end like a love story, but that is not what the movie is about.
Yeah,terrific movie,but I was hoping to see a little
action,if you get my meaning.Not even a make out scene.
Now that was diappointing!